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What Will Happen With TUIFly  
User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7078 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4046 times:

Media in Germany reports that there will be huge changes for TUIFly in the near future. Rumors are either a cooperation with Lufthansa or Easyjet.
Link in German here:
http://www.aero.de/news.php?varnewsid=4970

I don´t believe that LH would be interested they just got rid of their shares of Thomas Cook and Condor. Easyjet is getting rid of their 737s and I think TUIFly and Easyjet are very different companies.


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User currently offlineAcelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 848 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 weeks ago) and read 3934 times:

Are TUIfly in money trouble then? They recently brought First Choice to mege with Thomsonfly....
Cannot see Easyjet or Lufthansa having any real interest with TUIfly either for that matter....



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 weeks ago) and read 3916 times:

Quoting Acelanzarote (Reply 1):
Are TUIfly in money trouble then? They recently brought First Choice to mege with Thomsonfly....

AFAIK the problems are with TUIFly and do not affect the UK operations (TOM are moving away from the LoCo model and back to charters, as FCA do). They are part of the same group but operationaly separate



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17085 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 weeks ago) and read 3907 times:

Quoting Columba (Thread starter):
Rumors are either a cooperation with Lufthansa or Easyjet.

Dont think that any of this mentioned airlines wants to co operate with TUIfly. Maybe Easyjet but absolutely not LH.



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User currently offlineFlyTUITravel From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3872 times:

I have a bit of info... not much about TUIfly but the TUI Group in general
AFAIK once DP and BY are brought together, it will become Thomsonfly, but they will still use the First Choice name for selling holidays etc (I think) but this is just what I've heard from employees.
But I know the Classic 737s are leaving X3 / HF this year and the fleet will decrease to 48 aircraft - one of the Germania a/c is returning.
And also, B757s G-BYAJ/R are going to TUIfly Nordic, replacing the current B757s SU-DUO/P.


User currently offlineSausageandmash From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3659 times:

Quoting FlyTUITravel (Reply 4):
AFAIK once DP and BY are brought together, it will become Thomsonfly, but they will still use the First Choice name for selling holidays etc (I think) but this is just what I've heard from employees.

Just to let you know that nothing has been confirmed yet regarding the airline branding in the UK - heard this myself from the Managing Director of the airline. You may say it came from the horse's mouth! The airlines will be operationally "one" from 1 May 2008 as both will be operating on Thomsonfly's Air Operating Certificate, but for the purposes of branding and destinations etc., the airlines Thomsonfly and First Choice Airways will continue to fly separately for the time being. One idea being mooted is to keep it this way until the first 787 arrives is 2009 and then rebrand in "spectacular fashion."



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User currently offlineCwldude From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 691 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 3635 times:

I work for First Choice, so as far as the UK are concerned, we'll be using the same AOC as of May 1st 2008, which will be under TUIFly UK, then as of Winter 2008/9 we shall be known as TUIFly UK, no more First Choice Airways!

Both holiday companies shall remain seperate, I shall continue to trade as First Choice Holidays, Thomson shall continue to trade as Thomson Holidays, both using TUIFly UK as our in-house airline.

Which leads me to believe I can't see the TUIFly brand going anywhere anytime soon  Smile



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7078 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3580 times:

According to a German Forum TUIFly will phase out two 737-500s in November:

D-AHLD will go November 7th
D-AHLG will go November 14th

Also some 737-700s will go:
D-AGEL, D-AGEP, D-AGER, D-AGES November 07
D-AGEN, D-AGEQ, D-AGET will go January 2008
D-AGEU March 2008

5 new 737-700s will come next year as well as some ex AB aircraft

Also some 737-800s will go interesting is that there are no plans according to this rumor that anymore 737-800s will be painted yellow.

Germania will buy up to 15 Dash Q400 to replace the F100, 2 F100 will go from Germania to Contact Air.



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User currently offlineFlyTUITravel From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 723 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3570 times:

Quoting Sausageandmash (Reply 6):
Just to let you know that nothing has been confirmed yet regarding the airline branding in the UK - heard this myself from the Managing Director of the airline. You may say it came from the horse's mouth! The airlines will be operationally "one" from 1 May 2008 as both will be operating on Thomsonfly's Air Operating Certificate, but for the purposes of branding and destinations etc., the airlines Thomsonfly and First Choice Airways will continue to fly separately for the time being. One idea being mooted is to keep it this way until the first 787 arrives is 2009 and then rebrand in "spectacular fashion."

So how will they work out the IATA/ICAO codes for the new airline if they trade seperately? Will they keep all four codes?
Is it true that 2x 752 will go to nordic to replace DUO/P?


User currently offlineDelta777jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1279 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3494 times:

With TUI everything is possible, they don't follow any plans and they acting like a start up company without any experience. To join airline operations under the umbrella TUIFly UK is a stupid idea, as customers want Thomson or First Choice and not unknown TUIFly. The same happend here in Germany when they merged Hapag Lloyd our traditional holiday airline together with HLX and trying now to establish it as a low cost airline with a product where you get on some flights free service and on some you need to pay. This once again proofing that they don't have any plan on their actions. The merge into TUIFLY and the marketing as a Low-Cost airline is a conflict with the high yielding holiday maker business in the tour operator TUI as some passengers dissagree to fly with a low-cost carrier, as they have paid a premium for their package holiday and expect same service as in previous times with Hapag Lloyd.

Further, I see it impossible to merge two traditional airlines and try to make a low cost model out of it for any price. On my last occasion to fly on a domestic flight, the gate lady told a collegue that the captain insists to board immediately after de-boarding so that people need to wait in the jetway while the aircraft get cleaned and serviced for its next domestic flight. The captain would get much pressure from HQ to be ontime and to meet the 25 or 30 minutes turn around time. In their flight planning they don't add any spare time to the block time, resulting in increasing delays over the day and of course angry customers.

So we shall ask the TUI management why they not stayed with the two different airlines Hapag and HLX and tried to turn HLX into a real low cost airline rather than to merge two different products, introduce a new name and spend millions of millions for TV ads etc. to explain customers which don't understand this until today ?

Same happening now in UK, very sad that these gentleman not learning.



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3475 times:

If TOM are going to concentrater on their charter flights and drop the LCC operation then that is good news. BY/TOM were an excellent charter airline but a lousy, third rate copy-cat LCC. Let them go back to charters and quality charter flights too. Like their BY heritage.

User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3922 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

AFAIK the Tomsonfly LCC flights are going, and its more a charter type product.

However, all of this is a little acedemic in the UK at the minute, as xharter carriers expect passengers to pay for inflight meals anyway.

Brian.



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3444 times:

Im cheering and weeping with joy. BY was always a charter airline except for their inherited schedules of Orion and their BFS route but they knew what they did and did it well, giving holidaymakers a good flight. Lets hope they concentrate on that now they have come to their senses about competiting in the over crowded LCC market.

User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3425 times:

when TUI shed the HLX brand, this was the beginning of the end for the low cost carrier brand, imho. TUIfly is performing anything but well and the airline seems to lack direction and a clear strategy.

as consolidation in German increased drastically when AB bought DI and LT, i started to think why not have LH and TUI cooperate in a way which brings together the Hapagfly (being aware that it's a part of TUIfly, of course) and Condor on the one hand side and 4U and HLX. this would see Condor/HF operate medium-haul and long-haul leisure oriented routes, also a vehicle for LH to test new and low-yield markets, while for European services concentrating on the low cost model successfully in place at 4U (the ownership of Thomas Cook/Condor would have had to be resolved, of course).

i think, too, that easyjet is not interested at all in TUIfly. in my opinion, that's just a stunt set up by TUI in order to make the airline more attractive to LH. a combined 4U/TUIfly would make a much stronger competitor against AB.

that said, i think it is not unrealistic that TUI and LH are talking about a cooperation, in whatever form that may be, between 4U and TUIfly.



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7078 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3405 times:

Quoting Johnnybgoode (Reply 14):
a combined 4U/TUIfly would make a much stronger competitor against AB.

Still very different companies with different fleets etc....not very easy to mix as a low cost airline.



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User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3641 posts, RR: 29
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3399 times:

The idiot which rebranded HLX into TuiFly needs to be thrown where Thomas Koch (who killed Condor) was sent to years ago: Far away from a position where he can inflict damage.

I still cannot see why someone kills a brand which gained momentum and became well recognised in the cologne area. Nevertheless, I think HLX is far from being dead.


User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3392 times:

I agree, both HapagLloyd and Britannia were well established and respected brands in their home market. Stupidity changing them

User currently offlineBeaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3365 times:

TUI management have never understood the true value of a brand-name.
Constant change of name,target-markets,focus and /or potential partnerships have completely deluted TUI's markeing appeal.People immediately identify Easyjet,Lufthansa,Ryanair or Skyeurope-
Tuifly is a hybrid construction without any strong identification value.I never really understood what Frenzel wanted to do with his airline(s) !



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User currently offlineSausageandmash From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3346 times:

Quoting Cwldude (Reply 6):
I work for First Choice, so as far as the UK are concerned, we'll be using the same AOC as of May 1st 2008, which will be under TUIFly UK, then as of Winter 2008/9 we shall be known as TUIFly UK, no more First Choice Airways!

And with all due respect, I work for First Choice AIRWAYS and was at a "Meet the Board" meeting a few day ago where Chris Browne - MANAGING DIRECTOR of TUI Travel's UK airline operations - told me that at the minute, the branding of the airline HAS NOT BEEN DECIDED. The AOC will not be under "TUIFly UK" as that airline does not exist, the AOC wil be "Thomsonfly" but that is irrelevant to what the passengers see.

I am not saying that this does not mean the end of First Choice Airways, I just want people to know that as far as the airline board are concerned - and they are the people who I would expect know the most! - no decision has been taken as to the branding of the airlines. They were asked the question would we be turning yellow and the answer was most decidely "No! We will not be turning yellow and we can guarantee you that".

Let's all remember that the company is now TUI Travel, not TUI AG and that most of the management are British and do not have the same ideas as the Germans. Especially on the UK side, the management is taking a First Choice lead and they are very keen to replicate the success of FCA's longhaul product so we'll be seeing a lot more of that in the future.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17085 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3288 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 7):
D-AHLD will go November 7th

I flied with that on 17th June 2007.



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User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3260 times:

Im sure German holidaymakerts miss Hapag Lloyd as much as we Brits miss Britannia. The tui branding was a disaster, getting rid of two well loved and recognised brands both with loyal followings.

User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7078 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3227 times:

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 20):
The tui branding was a disaster, getting rid of two well loved and recognised brands both with loyal followings.

Agreed, Hapag and Britania also had two very nice color schemes which were much better than this babyblue and bright yellow. Also I likes the taxi scheme from HLX very much a clever idea and much better than the usual boring liveries you are seeing today.



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User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 23
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2867 times:

Quoting Johnnybgoode (Reply 13):
TUIfly is performing anything but well and the airline seems to lack direction and a clear strategy.

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HF used to have a proud presence at their homebase HAJ and they were a good option for me flying from HAJ to PMI, but meanwhile they are down to 3 flights per week (valid for November 2007). They no longer are among the airlines I search for flights except for those destinations they serve exclusively from HAJ.
X3's schedule at HAJ is just a shadow of HF/X3's ops a few years ago. Simply sad. And I assume FR's presence at BRE is siphoning-off even more LCC-customers from X3 @ HAJ ...

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 16):
I agree, both HapagLloyd and Britannia were well established and respected brands in their home market. Stupidity changing them.

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User currently offlineDelta777Jet From Germany, joined Jun 2000, 1279 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

I wonder why smart ideas all the time coming from abroad and why not TUI was building the new terminal at Bremen airport, which is now Ryanair's ? Ryanair announced Bremen-Palma and TUI gave up entire Bremen ops. Why they give up so quickly ? I wonder what will happen if Ryanair places some planes in Hannover next time ?

SausageandMash: You are absolutely right and I hope that the new british part of the Company can teach something.



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