Alaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1056 posts, RR: 6 Posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2489 times:
at about 4:00 PM (Oct 19) an Embry Riddle Piper PA-44 Seminole had a nose gear failure and was forced to make a crash landing on 21L at Prescott Love Field. At the time i had rented a plane from a close by flight school and was doing a run-up at the end of the runway. I watched the plane do a low pass and then make its landing. from what i could tell it looked like it was executed to perfection, both engines cut before the threshold, land tail low, keep the tail off and let the nose come gently down. the nose came down a little hard but as soon as it came to a stop the trucks were at the scene and the occupants got out. 21L/03R was closed for about 30-45 minutes. For those of you familiar with Riddle, it was Riddle 74, I havent been able to talk to a flight supervisor or anyone at Riddle yet but when i do i will post what i find out.
C172pic From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 77 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2446 times:
No biggie... time to get rid of that Seminole, they got all the bling bling to replace it... saw one parked at Flagler Co, looked kinda on its way to retirement from ERAU's fleet... BTW, anybody know if any of ERAU's TwinStars has had a double engine failure?
Jfkspotter From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 448 posts, RR: 8 Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2429 times:
No, there have been no engine failures on any of the TwinStars.
The seminoles are on their way to being retired at the end of this year.
Alaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1056 posts, RR: 6 Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2396 times:
Quoting Jfkspotter (Reply 2): The seminoles are on their way to being retired at the end of this year.
I know its sad, I hate the Diamonds, there ugly and the stupid stick and the damn G-1000, and all the kids who dont know how to land are going to bang up that ventral strake....its going to be a sad day when the seminoles are gone.
Riddle274 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 75 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2396 times:
Quoting C172pic (Reply 1): No biggie... time to get rid of that Seminole, they got all the bling bling to replace it... saw one parked at Flagler Co, looked kinda on its way to retirement from ERAU's fleet... BTW, anybody know if any of ERAU's TwinStars has had a double engine failure?
Check the original post . . . the accident happened at PRC - your quote has to do with the Daytona campus. The TwinStars are doing quite well and our flight department is very happy with them so far. However, it looks like the PA-44's will be around for a bit longer than expected.
TinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 963 posts, RR: 2 Reply 5, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2298 times:
Quoting Riddle274 (Reply 4): Check the original post . . . the accident happened at PRC - your quote has to do with the Daytona campus. The TwinStars are doing quite well and our flight department is very happy with them so far. However, it looks like the PA-44's will be around for a bit longer than expected.
I graduated from the DAB campus in 02. I always loved the PA-44...very fun airplane to fly and easy to land in my opinion. I flew the DA-20 and didn't care for it much at all.
"Flying isn't inherently dangerous...but very unforgiving of carelessness, incapacity or neglect."
Riddle274 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 75 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 2276 times:
Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 5): I graduated from the DAB campus in 02. I always loved the PA-44...very fun airplane to fly and easy to land in my opinion. I flew the DA-20 and didn't care for it much at all.
Thats because the DA-20 is a single engine plane . . . we have the DA-42!
I have some time in a PA-44 as well, excellent training airplane, even if it is a PA-28R with an extra engine!
TinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 963 posts, RR: 2 Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2180 times:
Quoting Riddle274 (Reply 6): Thats because the DA-20 is a single engine plane . . . we have the DA-42!
Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 7): Thats all the DA-42 is, just a DA-40 with another motor....still a flying sperm!!
Thats the point I was trying to make without being as blunt..lol! Thanx DLGuy.
"Flying isn't inherently dangerous...but very unforgiving of carelessness, incapacity or neglect."
Alaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1056 posts, RR: 6 Reply 10, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2106 times:
Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 9): How is that a crash landing? I think emergency landing is a more fit word as the landing was apparently well executed in a trained manor.
yeah, since it only caused gear and prop damage it can be considered an incident, now if the engines were not stopped when it struck then i would be considered an accident. there is a big difference under part 830.2 of the FAR.
CBPhoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1506 posts, RR: 6 Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2055 times:
This is not a huge deal, and def is not the first time it has happened to our PA-44s! Neither the student or the IP were injured and thats the major part. I agree the title is miss-leading, it should be a, accident but not a crash landing. The same thing (similar circumstances) happened a few years ago, odds are the plane will be fixed and returned to service in a few months time. Not sure how the post got so off topic with the DA-42s, but yes ERAU PRC is looking at getting the DA-42s in another years time, and although the rumors are very strong we will get them, I have not heard of us actually placing an order for them!
Quoting Alaska737 (Thread starter): At the time i had rented a plane from a close by flight school and was doing a run-up at the end of the runway.
Alaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1056 posts, RR: 6 Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 2003 times:
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