Beaucaire From Syria, joined Sep 2003, 5252 posts, RR: 26 Posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4533 times:
Following a thread in the German forum airliners.de, EK plans to fly into the Polish city of Stettin-Goleniów ( 150 Km north-east of Berlin ) and offer direct bus-shuttle from Berlin to the airport.
It is thought that initial flights would start in march 2008 with three weekly A330 rotations.
Germany has limited the number of airports that EK can serve to the current four locations (FRA,DUS,MUC,HAM ).
EK ave requested flight-rights for TXL ,which have been refused so far under pressure of LH.
B747forever From United States of America, joined exactly 6 years ago today! , 16574 posts, RR: 11 Reply 2, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4499 times:
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 1): Why can't they just take "nein" for an answer and try somewhere else?
Because they know that they can make money in Germany.
Thorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4499 times:
Nooooooooooo.
I want to see EK at TXL!
But the whole thing is possible, Stettin is a good hour away from Berlin with a nice and empty Autobahn. (Has a few km where the road is bad, but otherwise it is fine.)
This would really suck, only in Germany. And there only in Berlin. Why can't our stupid government see that an EK flight would add value to the city?? But those morons want to close THF, so I don't expect them to understand anything about aviation.
Pelican From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 2530 posts, RR: 8 Reply 4, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4423 times:
Quoting Thorben (Reply 3): But the whole thing is possible, Stettin is a good hour away from Berlin with a nice and empty Autobahn. (Has a few km where the road is bad, but otherwise it is fine.)
You have to be very lucky with your private car to need just 1 hour - depends on were in Berlin you live. With Bus it's at least 2 hours possibly more.
BTW the train from main station to Stettin needs 2:12 hours...
Thorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (5 years 7 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4223 times:
Quoting Pelican (Reply 4): You have to be very lucky with your private car to need just 1 hour - depends on were in Berlin you live. With Bus it's at least 2 hours possibly more.
BTW the train from main station to Stettin needs 2:12 hours...
This doesn't sound very promising.
Maybe they'll get a new train to the Hbf here.
Quoting Leskova (Reply 6): Maybe they see a greater risk in angering LH than they see possible profit for the city in pleasing EK?
Given how LH is neglecting Berlin, they should take that risk.
Quoting Leskova (Reply 6): Yes... Yeah sure ... closing one airport in a city of three airports clearly shows that they know nothing about aviation... Yeah sure
Giving up two airports that are actually inside city limits is really a sin. The could work side-by-side, all three of them, THF for small planes to other city airports, TXL for charter and holiday, BER (SXF) for what planehunter calls "premium" carriers.
A342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4655 posts, RR: 4 Reply 8, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3979 times:
Quoting Thorben (Reply 7): Giving up two airports that are actually inside city limits is really a sin. The could work side-by-side, all three of them, THF for small planes to other city airports, TXL for charter and holiday, BER (SXF) for what planehunter calls "premium" carriers.
That's true, but actually, the premium carriers prefer TXL over SXF.
Jog From Netherlands, joined Jul 2005, 273 posts, RR: 8 Reply 9, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3855 times:
Quoting Pelican (Reply 4): You have to be very lucky with your private car to need just 1 hour - depends on were in Berlin you live. With Bus it's at least 2 hours possibly more.
BTW the train from main station to Stettin needs 2:12 hours...
This doesn't sound very promising.
Unless they also aim at customers from Poland, I absolutely agree. For comparison: You need 2:07 from Berlin main station to the airport in Hamburg (ICE train and express bus together). The train ticket is already included in quasi all Emirates tickets sold in Germany. So if they are not able to start TXL directly, they should rather find a way to include the bus in Hamburg in their tickets, do marketing for the included train ticket, and think about starting the second HAM flight...
PanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 7768 posts, RR: 26 Reply 11, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3786 times:
I doubt that. Poland is not (yet) a Schengen country which complicates matters. The local area is not a market, such a service must rely on Berlin and Berlin itself is not that big a market, especially in the premium sector..
EK sells over the price, OK, but getting the necessary premium passengers to drive 150 km they would hav e to pick them up with a limo at home and bring them back the same style.
EWRCabincrew From United States of America, joined May 2006, 5522 posts, RR: 57 Reply 12, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3775 times:
LOT767SP-LPA From Poland, joined May 2002, 154 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3636 times:
Poland will join Shengen zone 1st January 2008, so will not be any problem with this connection. From October 2008 EK will open WAW as next destination in Europe.
Lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 10668 posts, RR: 100 Reply 15, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2592 times:
Quoting Kaitak (Reply 1):
Why can't they just take "nein" for an answer and try somewhere else?
MONEY!
Quoting Thorben (Reply 3): Why can't our stupid government see that an EK flight would add value to the city??
This I too wonder. More connections would benefit Berlin. Now, as far as the government cares, LH to DXB would be just as good. But I do not see that flight. Did I miss it? Frankly, Berlin needs more connections if its going to continue to grow.
Quoting Jog (Reply 9): and think about starting the second HAM flight...
Does EK have rights to a 2nd HAM flight? If so, that would imply an A380 going that way! I'm serious actually. First, I do not know EK's specific bilateral rights to fly to Germany. So if anyone has a link.
Second, from what I've read here on a.net, HAM will probably have enough demand for the A380. Question: Can EK get an A380 gate in HAM?
Quoting PanHAM (Reply 11): I doubt that. Poland is not (yet) a Schengen country which complicates matters.
Leskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 72 Reply 16, posted (5 years 7 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2155 times:
Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 15): Second, from what I've read here on a.net, HAM will probably have enough demand for the A380.
No, not really - or why did they, capacity-wise, downgrade the flight?
Quoting Thorben (Reply 7): Giving up two airports that are actually inside city limits is really a sin.
No, not really. But if you prefer having airports that'll eternally encounter problems whenever they try to even expand a runway by a single meter, than that's your preference... airport authorities and, for that much, airlines prefer airports located in places where an expansion can take place when it's needed.
Neither THF nor TXL offer much, if anything, in ability to expand.
Quoting Thorben (Reply 7): The could work side-by-side, all three of them, THF for small planes to other city airports, TXL for charter and holiday, BER (SXF) for what planehunter calls "premium" carriers.
What other city airports? Which other city that could be served from THF, except London, has a "city airport"? And how many airlines even fly into THF these days, serving "city airports" or anything else? If it's such a great airport for airlines to use, why is it used so little these days?
And splitting TXL and SXF into charter and scheduled operations? That would create a situation as absurd as the one in both Paris and Milan, when the authorities tried to force airlines operating from one airport onto another. It's either one or the other, but one thing is absolutely certain: Berlin needs to consolidate it's airports, as it has nowhere near enough traffic to justify operating three of them.
As for that discussion between PlaneHunter and you regarding premium carriers... I'd say he's, so far, pretty much hit the mark with his arguements...
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