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UA LAX-NRT-LAX Changes 747 To 777  
User currently offlinePlatinumfoota From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 556 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4758 times:
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Starting 1/7/08 UA will change LAX-NRT-LAX 747 to a 777. LAX-FRA-LAX will be a 777 and LAX-HKG-LAX will be a 747. LAX-LHR-LAX will remain a 777. So....Where are they getting the 777's from?


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User currently offlineFlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4534 times:

Quoting Platinumfoota (Thread starter):
Starting 1/7/08 UA will change LAX-NRT-LAX 747 to a 777. LAX-FRA-LAX will be a 777 and LAX-HKG-LAX will be a 747. LAX-LHR-LAX will remain a 777. So....Where are they getting the 777's from?

There is a great mystery as to where these 777s are all coming from. If I had to guess, I would say that they are re-working the way the schedule and rotate the aircraft to increase utilization... then again, if they are taking a 747 off of something and putting a 777 on it, that 747 is likely replacing a 777 somewhere. I know SFO-KIX has moved to a 744, that was a 777 once upon a time.



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4246 times:

I wonder if the 747 thats being withdrawn is the first thats going in for the new interior/seats etc to be installed as the LAX-HGK 747 is coming down from ORD to start the new service.

User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8289 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 4014 times:
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LAX to Tokyo has lots of competition, so this is either adjusting for the new LAX to Hong Kong flight or a need for 744 to China or another route.

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24886 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3942 times:

Maybe these will help explain things for those that want to know.

Big version: Width: 442 Height: 341 File size: 12kb

Big version: Width: 551 Height: 747 File size: 26kb

Big version: Width: 555 Height: 497 File size: 17kb



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3573 times:

I thought IAD - FCO was on a 777. When is it going to a 767?

User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1792 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3530 times:

Isn't that quite a drop in capcity?

I mean NH switched from their B744 to a B777-300ER which seems to justify because there is not a big gap in capacity. But many airlines I think have dropped capacity on the NRT-LAX market. First of all, TG pulled out. And did Malaysia pull out as well? And then JL dropped one of its extra weekly flights and made it a daily operation, as stated before NH moved to a twin, KE at one time also operated a B744 on the route but I think they are constantly a B777-200ER now as well. Then RG doesn't fly the route anymore and now UA is going to scale down the seats on their aircraft?

It seems like it has been trimmed so much over the last few years.



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24886 posts, RR: 46
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3363 times:

Quoting UAL777UK (Reply 5):
I thought IAD - FCO was on a 777. When is it going to a 767?

Its a 763 for the winter. Planned to return to a 777 summer 2008.

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 6):
Isn't that quite a drop in capacity?

Yes it is, however UA has slowly been shifting its NRT ops away from a transfer hub operation to instead focus on O&D traffic using smaller equipment as its continues to increase direct Asia flying.

In addition two other factors to consider which certainly have effected the other carriers in the market also is the regionalization of Japan-US traffic away from being only focused on NRT, in addition Japan-US traffic has been flat if not declining these last few years as others such other Asian gateways have grown along with the fact US Japanese tourism arrivals have also been declining.



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3081 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3346 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 7):
Yes it is, however UA has slowly been shifting its NRT ops away from a transfer hub operation to instead focus on O&D traffic using smaller equipment as its continues to increase direct Asia flying.

Correct. While there are still connecting opportunities on NH, SIN and BKK are the only remaining connections on UA metal.

On a related note, there had been rumors of SEA-NRT downgauging to a 763 - have there been any updates on that front?


User currently offlineUnitedNRT From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 284 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3335 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 8):
On a related note, there had been rumors of SEA-NRT downgauging to a 763 - have there been any updates on that front?

Tossed around, still no commitment to rotating the B763 through Narita though.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7512 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3308 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 8):
Correct. While there are still connecting opportunities on NH, SIN and BKK are the only remaining connections on UA metal.

No, ICN and TPE are the others.



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User currently offlineFlysherwood From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3238 times:

Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 6):
And then JL dropped one of its extra weekly flights and made it a daily operation, as stated before NH moved to a twin, KE at one time also operated a B744 on the route but I think they are constantly a B777-200ER now as well. Then RG doesn't fly the route anymore and now UA is going to scale down the seats on their aircraft?

It seems like it has been trimmed so much over the last few years

Yes, but many here on a.net keep saying that JL and NH need the A380!!! If JL and NH only use the 777-300ER daily to a destination like LAX, where in the heck are they going to use an A380?  Yeah sure


User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3081 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 3165 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 10):
No, ICN and TPE are the others.

Didn't realize those two were still operating, thanks.


User currently offlinePlanetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 3004 times:

IS there a reason why the SYD service # 2 from LAX stops in January? Previously UA always used to fly that service out until end of March.

User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8032 posts, RR: 26
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2967 times:

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 11):
Yes, but many here on a.net keep saying that JL and NH need the A380!!! If JL and NH only use the 777-300ER daily to a destination like LAX, where in the heck are they going to use an A380?

They won't. It's that simple.



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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2886 times:

NGO is going to 5 weekly down from daily for the season?
Interesting.

As said above. Japan traffic is dropping. Why fly through Japan when you can do a non-stop? There are more non-stops from other parts of Asia. Not to mention that KE kicked it into high gear in creating ICN into a new Asian Gateway. Low landing fees, and KE is flying to every corner of the globe. It is easily for some people in Japan to fly via ICN than it is to fly via NRT!

One of the factors I can see is that airlines no longer need to have many tech-stops to get places or need to fy via Japan to get to any part of Asia. Russian airspace is open which allows for faster/easier trips to other parts of Asia. China is opening and lets in more carriers so people don't need to fly via NRT. They can go straight.

The Japanese government is trying to fight this but it is hard to do when the airport everyone wants to get into is $$$ and the rest of the country has been lacking major infrastructure investment for developing business that might attract new airline business.

From my personal perspective. Even though there has been more education to kids encouraging them to go abroad and see the world. They are timid to do so. They are only going to Hawaii, Guam, Australia and the beach markets. Japan is falling behind in international business due to a lack of drive at the grassroots level and of course, innovation is kind of lacking.

I could rant about Japanese politics but it would be a futile gesture. I feel that there are so many factors that could lead some airlines to even pull out of Japan all together.



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User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1792 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2772 times:

Quoting Flysherwood (Reply 11):
JL and NH only use the 777-300ER daily to a destination like LAX

Sorry I wondered if I confused you in my post. JL still sends a B744 to LAX but only daily now.

Centerair, you bring up an interesting point. Well, lately I have been listening to ATC's of many major airports around the world and boy are they busy during night-time (JFK, HKG, etc). Compared to that, all of Kansai's airports (KIX, ITM, UKB) are so silent past like 8 pm. I think major airports have been succesful at growing in cargo demand as well as passenger growth and have constantly increased the rwys that they have and started 24 hrs operation from an early time. Japan, was left behind in all this with the protesters at NRT, people in and around ITM. I mean, they can't even agree where an airport is going to be built. Originally, KIX was to be located where UKB is today. But then the government of Kobe protested to this idea in the beginning and look where they are 15 years later?

I think HNDs new rwy might change the situation a bit. But they have to scale up their 24 hour opeartions and even build a few more runways if neccesary.

There was heated debate about closing ITM when KIX opened. But then the people around ITM protested to this idea and now there are two airports with 14 million people using it per year. I wonder if it had only been KIX, would it have beenin a better situation than it is in today?



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User currently offlineGlareskin From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1303 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2745 times:

I'm amazed they will downgrade the 777 IAD-AMS for one month. It's a full flight all the time now.


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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2700 times:

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 17):
I'm amazed they will downgrade the 777 IAD-AMS for one month. It's a full flight all the time now.

It could be to free up the 777 for a month to put in the new interior, F & J seats etc??


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