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Air New Zealand Reconfiguring 767-300 Fleet?  
User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6591 times:

I had read a couple of months ago that Air New Zealand planned on reconfiguring their 767-300 fleet to match the same product that they have on board their 777-200 fleet and some of the 747-400 fleet.

I'm curious if anyone has any updated information on how it is going?

I'm looking into flying Air New Zealand over the summer from LAX to NAN and am curious to know what the Y product will be like then.

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12091 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 6583 times:
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The interior upgrades are starting around the same time as the A320 interior upgrades. This is due to start around March-May. The Y B763 product this summer will be the current interior.

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Thread starter):
match the same product that they have on board their 777-200 fleet and some of the 747-400 fleet.

All the B744s have the same new product


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8548 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6479 times:
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Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
The interior upgrades are starting around the same time as the A320 interior upgrades. This is due to start around March-May. The Y B763 product this summer will be the current interior.

according to NZ website it was supposed to happen in the second half of 2008 , have they brought it forward ?

http://www.airnz.co.nz/aboutus/media...nt_upgrade_a320s_b767s_26jun07.htm

The upgrade work will be undertaken in the second half of 2008 by Air New Zealand Technical Operations, with consideration being given to both Auckland and Christchurch bases.



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User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3182 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6486 times:

But there won't be any business premier as far as I know. Just Y+ and Y to suit the markets they serve and the distances they now cover.

Regards
MH



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12091 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6441 times:
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Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 2):

Sorry, the second half sounds right


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6367 times:

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 3):
But there won't be any business premier as far as I know. Just Y+ and Y to suit the markets they serve and the distances they now cover.

What happens to places like SYD. It see's quite alot of 767 traffic now


User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3182 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6251 times:

Quoting ANstar (Reply 5):
What happens to places like SYD. It see's quite alot of 767 traffic now

Why would that change when there are no aircraft to replace them?



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6236 times:

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 6):
Why would that change when there are no aircraft to replace them?

Well if they are only getting Y and Y+ it would mean a huge reduction in J capacity from air NZ on the SYD-AKL route.
this route is probably the one that can really support the J cabin!

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 3):
But there won't be any business premier as far as I know. Just Y+ and Y to suit the markets they serve and the distances they now cover.


User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3182 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6220 times:

Quoting ANstar (Reply 7):
this route is probably the one that can really support the J cabin!

Good point. I may be wrong in the final outcome, but an enhanced Y+ is not far short of the short-medium haul J product and an increase in capacity will allow more people to travel it for the shorter routes.



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6201 times:

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 8):
Good point. I may be wrong in the final outcome, but an enhanced Y+ is not far short of the short-medium haul J product and an increase in capacity will allow more people to travel it for the shorter routes.

Perhaps NZ will look at selling Y+ on the 767 as J. I mean, it will probably be similar to the A320 J product that is currently on the route? I just think NZ need to have a J offering to be able to compete fully with QF.

I guess they could then sell it as Y+ on HNL etc


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6169 times:

Quoting ANstar (Reply 9):
Perhaps NZ will look at selling Y+ on the 767 as J. I mean, it will probably be similar to the A320 J product that is currently on the route? I just think NZ need to have a J offering to be able to compete fully with QF.

They might configure it 2x2x2 on the 767, with the extra legroom (37'?). WIth the high stnadard of catering in y+ on long haul, J/Y+ hybrid should be reasonably compeditive.

Are the NZ 767s just getting new seats or are NZ doing the 777-style overhead bin modifications as well?

Brian.



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User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6111 times:

Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 8):

Good point. I may be wrong in the final outcome, but an enhanced Y+ is not far short of the short-medium haul J product and an increase in capacity will allow more people to travel it for the shorter routes.

And as a premium eco flyer from Sydney to the America/London you don't have to sit in eco anymore for the Tasman section. Something that is very annoying when flying from Sydney, while MEL and Brissi get a proper premium eco on a wide body.


User currently offlineMiami1 From Australia, joined Feb 2001, 706 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days ago) and read 5985 times:

The vast majority of Qantas Trans Tasman flights feature domestic J seats anyway.

User currently offlineAerorobNZ From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5835 times:

Quoting Miami1 (Reply 12):
The vast majority of Qantas Trans Tasman flights feature domestic J seats anyway.

Yeah and that doesn't even look like it has the same space as our premium economy.... it's a disgrace.


User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 5833 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 10):
They might configure it 2x2x2 on the 767, with the extra legroom (37'?). WIth the high stnadard of catering in y+ on long haul, J/Y+ hybrid should be reasonably compeditive.

I reckon that config would be an excellent choice. Hopefully they dont get any ideas about 2-3-2 for Premium Y on the 767!


User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3182 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5783 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 10):
They might configure it 2x2x2 on the 767, with the extra legroom (37'?).

NZ Y+ has a 39" pitch. Would be great 2x2x2 on the 763's and 3x2 on the 320's.

Regards
MH



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User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2253 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5758 times:
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Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 3):
But there won't be any business premier as far as I know. Just Y+ and Y to suit the markets they serve and the distances they now cover.

Thats right. No Business Premier, just Y and Y+.

NZ1


User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3182 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5677 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 16):
That's right. No Business Premier, just Y and Y+.

Thanks for confirming that. I was involved in a Frequent Flyer Q&A and that was my recommendation when posed with a few possible scenarios.

MH



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5656 times:

Do we think that J will stay J on the A320's also? would make sense to have a Y/Y+ short haul and offer the great J flat beds just for long haul?

User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5653 times:

Quoting ANstar (Reply 18):
Do we think that J will stay J on the A320's also? would make sense to have a Y/Y+ short haul and offer the great J flat beds just for long haul?

I still think the A320 J class seats should be used as Y+ throughout the entire fleet, kind of like what QF is doing. But I understand it will be qa very costly thing if done so.

Anyway, when will the whole AVOD on the 763s and 320s be complete? Will it be touch screen etc etc...?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12091 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5633 times:
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Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 19):

The IFEs will be the same as the long haul type


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5631 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 20):

You sure? Because it was mentioned somewhere that its a different system and manufacturer


User currently offlineMotorHussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3182 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5631 times:

Quoting ANstar (Reply 18):
Do we think that J will stay J on the A320's also?

The short-medium haul international fleet, IE the 763's and A320's, is being standardised with Y+ and Y with AVOD IFE (pretty sure this will be the same as on the rest of the fleet).



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User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5587 times:

Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 21):

You sure? Because it was mentioned somewhere that its a different system and manufacturer



Quoting MotorHussy (Reply 22):
The short-medium haul international fleet, IE the 763's and A320's, is being standardised with Y+ and Y with AVOD IFE (pretty sure this will be the same as on the rest of the fleet).

I seem to recall that Rockwell Collins is goneski and that Panasonic will be the new IFE supplier.... (NZ1/someone care to confirm/deny?)



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User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5506 times:

Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 23):
I seem to recall that Rockwell Collins is goneski and that Panasonic will be the new IFE supplier.... (NZ1/someone care to confirm/deny?)

Yea I remember that too...


25 Koruman : Yes NZ1, but my understanding is that Y and Y+ will come out of the existing economy cabin, and that Business Class (but not lie-flat Business Premier
26 NZ1 : Panasonic is the supplier for the 767/A320 upgrade. Rockwell Collins is on the 777/744. Business Class is going. Y and Y+ only Koruman. NZ1
27 Koruman : Thanks NZ1, but that raises a number of serious problems, doesn't it? Most of the capacity from Auckland to Brisbane and Melbourne is provided by 747
28 Koruman : Sorry, but this is just nuts. Insert Premium Economy onto Tasman and Pacific services so that long-haul Premium Economy passengers can sit in a Premiu
29 AerorobNZ : I'm sure HNL will get the can eventually anyway. that has been the route most likely to be chopped for a while. As for SYD. NZ103/104 and 105/106 are
30 Koruman : Honolulu is a viable route which is not being appropriately managed. Frequency is inadequate and connections are poor. Multiple airlines successfully
31 Airnewzealand : HNL does not work for Qantas...It is full of Low Yeild passengers in Economy and Frequent Flyers using rewards for booking. Look for JQ to take this
32 Koruman : Airnewzealand, I would have agreed, except for the fact that Air Canada's 777-200LR (which NZ should have bought) will be flying Vancouver-Sydney non-
33 ANstar : Perhaps NZ have realised they are not getting a big enough slice of the high yeild traffic and are now focussing on where they are getting the volume
34 Koruman : From Air NZ's press releases: Over the next 18 months, Air New Zealand will progressively introduce changes including a more spacious section of econo
35 AerorobNZ : I'll be honest with you, I wasn't aware of C being replaced bu Y+ until this thread. I work in a position for the company where I'm surprised I haven
36 Airnewzealand : Hey Koruman... You bring up some good points. The reason the 747-300 was able to fill the J/C cabin was due largely to Frequent Flyer upgrades. This
37 NZ1 : From that release, I can understand what you are saying. But, the plans that are coming together for the upgrade work in CHC next year, do not show B
38 Koruman : Well, much as I dislike some of the facts NZ1 gives us, I have to admit that he is invariably right on the money. Obviously this means that Sydney wil
39 DavidByrne : Did I not read a while back on this forum that KIX and NRT MUST be served by 777 because of aJL requirement for that? And does a 772 have the legs fo
40 Koruman : If JAL is so bothered about NRT/KIX they can fly the routes themselves...... Anyway, it's nonsense because comparable routes like Brisbane are flown b
41 Aotearoa : Sorry NZ 1. I can confirm that the upgrade on the A320 and 767 will include the current number of bussiness class seats on both types. The A320 will l
42 ZKSUJ : Thanks. I remember that being mentioned in another thread If this is the case than I hope the 763 Business class seats will be upgraded[Edited 2007-1
43 Pilotdude09 : A shame that QF took the 743 off the SYD-HNL-SYD route and stuck a 767 on it, which is pretty disgusting for an international aircraft. So after the
44 NZ1 : Well the last drawings I saw from KH (person running the IFE program), didn't show a Business Class, more of an upgraded economy type product. I will
45 ANstar : Well, Star Class is a pretty average product and one I wouldnt compare with NZ's premium economy. Can 7 rows of 35" Premium Economy be stuck in the c
46 DavidByrne : Yes, but here will be a contract involved here and NZ will not want to breach the contract but let it run its course before doing whatever it does ne
47 VHVXB : So what NZ would still struggle with the 772 on SYD-LAX. The NZ longhaul product adds a considerable amount weight to the aircraft which would make u
48 Post contains images Pilotdude09 : Didnt think about all of that! but yeah agree with you it may not be worthwhile for NZ to run the services to connect. But then its just as bad flyin
49 Koruman : We have had the spectacle today of Perth's most famous Aussie Rules player having to overnight in Sydney in order to fly to Los Angeles for rehab. Qa
50 Pilotdude09 : 100% totally agree with you, plus we also have the added bonus of having a pretty big Kiwi population not as big as QLD but big enough! Will be inter
51 JoFMO : PER-AKL has the problem for NZ that they can't schedule a flight with good connection to the USA both ways. They need at least 2 daily flights, but th
52 AerorobNZ : NZ6 needs to be rescheduled earlier. arriving early morning in LAX, and turning around for an evening arrival into AKL. A sample could be AKL 1615STD
53 777ER : Couldn't agree more Aerorob. I hated having to wait in LAX for 10+ hours for the next flight to ORD or IAD. I'm looking at it again next August. At l
54 Post contains images SunriseValley : Bang on The northbound suggestion is fine, but I would delay the southbound departure to give something like this: LAX1200STD/STA2000.AKL AKL2130/003
55 777ER : But thats useless for domestic flights, especially regional flights, as any passenger wouldn't be able to be booked on flights before 9.30pm
56 767ER : I reckon we have gone off topic here but no matter.......an interesting thread. So if the 767 Business Class is being replaced by Y plus that will mea
57 767ER : I reckon we have gone off topic here but no matter.......an interesting thread. So if the 767 Business Class is being replaced by Y plus that will mea
58 JoFMO : Why not scheduling NZ 6 later? LAX 23:30 AKL 09:15 Gives you 2:45 connection time to my proposed 12:00 AKL-PER-(LHR). Sounds fairly good to me and yo
59 DavidByrne : Downside of that is that it puts all the Australian connecting traffic onto NZ1, whereas with the present arrival time of NZ5 (not NZ6) it connects t
60 ZK-NBT : NZ have had NZ5 as a daylight service before for a short time, but I don't think it was to successful for the reasons mentioned above with no feed to
61 JoFMO : Your arguments are right. But I would expect NZ to go 3x daily to LAX in the long run. NZ1/2 will become a 773 and NZ5/6 might become a 787 if it is
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