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PIA 747 And 777 Update  
User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4347 times:

First 743 cleared fro EU service AP-BFY now wearing Balochistan tail seen here http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w310/bluemax-1/F-27/002.jpg second from left with Ziarat - City of Flowers sticker, the 747 with flag is now the only one left with this tail and its also missing all four engines since months, but will fly in the future.

Also in the picture is 742 of Air Universal(Jordan) which was operated by the failed no-frills LCC PIA Express earlier this year on domestic routes KHI-ISB and KHI-LHE, this aircrfat is now earing Hellenic Imperial Airways(Greece) livery said to be a sister concern of Air Universal.

742 Combi Sindh tail AP-BAK which was grounded for the past six months is flying again, dont know where though, last week it was in Hong Kong.

Third and final 777 a 773ER will be delivered in March 2008 its been registered AP-BID and is supposed to get NWFP tail, gold background with red and green baubles.

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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 3984 times:

742 Combi doing Bombay, Dhaka, Riyadh and Jeddah.

User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3868 times:

Why hasnt PIA started a nonstop KHI-JFK or KHI-IAH service with their 777-200 LRs?

User currently offlinePlanetime From Singapore, joined Mar 2006, 719 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 2):
Why hasnt PIA started a nonstop KHI-JFK or KHI-IAH service with their 777-200 LRs?

Because the US gov will not allow direct flights between Pakistan and USA.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 3752 times:

Quoting Planetime (Reply 3):
Because the US gov will not allow direct flights between Pakistan and USA.

Incorrect. PK is operating direct flights into the United States (mostly through MAN, correct me if I'm wrong though). They just can't fly nonstop because of US Government restrictions. Direct flight doesn't mean nonstop, it just means that you don't have to change planes during an en route stop.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

PIA 777s operating some more destinations, 772 Bombay and Jeddah, 773 to Jeddah.

User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3321 times:

Quoting Planetime (Reply 3):
Because the US gov will not allow direct flights between Pakistan and USA.

Well then PK needs to copy whatever AI is doing in BOM and what airlines in general are doing in India which has 6 non-stops to the US. 2 weeks ago, I went through the multiple layers of security in DEL boarding CO non-stop to EWR and while bloody tedious, I have to say the guys were thorough.

Ordinarily, I would say that the US Govt is probably over-reacting by not allowing direct flights to the US from a country, but Pakistan has some SERIOUS security issues that they as a country need to deal with. I hope they are able to do so soon, because it is a shame not to be able to deply a 777-200 LR on a route that could rake in some big $$$.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4750 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3319 times:

Quoting Boeing747_600 (Reply 6):

Ordinarily, I would say that the US Govt is probably over-reacting by not allowing direct flights to the US from a country, but Pakistan has some SERIOUS security issues that they as a country need to deal with. I hope they are able to do so soon, because it is a shame not to be able to deply a 777-200 LR on a route that could rake in some big $$$.

According to the Pak Civil Aviation Authority, PIA can fly nonstop from LHE & ISB only to USA but not from KHI. This is due to an internal secret audit carried out by the U.S. security agencies of all 3 major PAK airports which found severe lapses in KHI's airport security screenings...hence!

However, USA-PAK nonstop flights to any PAK city is permitted for PIA.

FYI...through personal experience, I can safely state that security especially of checked and carry on baggage is more intense in ISB & LHE than it is in KHI...for the last 5 years, I have never had my bags opened in KHI by any Customs or Security official but always had the opposite experience whilst taking an international flight from LHE & ISB !

The best solution I feel for PIA to handle their USA operations is to route their flights via DXB for which the airline has full 5th freedom rights. They should make DXB a small hub and fly 5 times a week PAK-DXB-JFK with the B 773ER and twice a week KHI-DXB-ORD with the B 772LR. They should time the ISB-DXB & LHE-DXB flights in such a way that they can connect conveniently in both directions at DXB with the JFK & ORD flights...similar to the scissors type hub created by 9W at BRU.


User currently offlineBoeing747_600 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1295 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3120 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 7):
According to the Pak Civil Aviation Authority, PIA can fly nonstop from LHE & ISB only to USA but not from KHI.

Would this allow for a KHI- LHE/ISB - JFK/IAH routing, or does the fact that the flight originated in KHI raise flags?

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 7):
The best solution I feel for PIA to handle their USA operations is to route their flights via DXB for which the airline has full 5th freedom rights.

They'd be in direct competion with EK, although if PK prices and times the flights correctly, this could be a very intriguing idea.

All said, I think PK's first priority is to address the security issues at KHI. Perhaps the best way would be for this to be part of an overall national security bolstering scheme. It is a shame to see the Pakistani economy and soceity in general being held hostage by small groups of self destructive zealots.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3015 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 1):
742 Combi doing Bombay, Dhaka, Riyadh and Jeddah.

Back in Bangkok and Hong Kong as well.


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