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San Jose Airport Lures Indian Carriers With Sops.  
User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4074 times:

http://sify.com/finance/fullstory.php?id=14546624

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With more Indian carriers tipped to fly to the US, the Mineta San Jose International Airport (SJC) is positioning itself as a major hub for the West Coast with a host of incentives. The carriers being approached by the SJC management include Kingfisher, Jet Airways and Sapphire Airlines, a start-up founded by Rahul S. Puranik, an Indian American pilot based in San Francisco.

The area around SJC is home to over 70,000 people of Indian origin, constituting the largest Asian Indian population in the Bay Area of San Francisco.

Ed Nelson, SJC director of air service development, said the incentives include waiving of landing, navigation and parking charges as well as payment of $250,000 for each airline for joint advertising in India to promote the US destination. "We are looking at revising the incentives beyond the one year we are presently offering them," Nelson told IANS.

Sapphire plans to launch operations late next year from San Francisco to Bangalore via Munich. Kingfisher is looking at direct flights to San Francisco from the middle of 2008. And Jet too has future plans for the West Coast. The carriers also have no worries about load factor since the economic boost of Silicon Valley has resulted in many Indian companies establishing their base there. These include Wipro, Mobera Systems and Tech Mahindra.

With US companies like Intel, Yahoo, Adobe, Google and Cisco having offices in Indian cities like Bangalore, Hyderabad and Chennai, business and family travel between India and the US is getting augmented, said Nelson.

SJC's small size with no immigration queues will prove a definite advantage, said Nelson. "We are also connected very well to major cities on the West Coast for Indians looking at onward connections," he said.

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User currently offlineYOWza From Turks and Caicos Islands, joined Jul 2005, 4889 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4016 times:

Interesting stuff. To tell you the truth I'm surprised that this did not happen sooner.

YOWza



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6141 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3982 times:

A very surprising and SMART move by SJC. The possibility of SFO and SJC getting Indian serves seems feasible. San Jose has so much potential and if SFO admits it or not, depending on timing they could be running into some issues with international gates. Just today KLM was waiting for some time (grantes NW diverted a A333 MSP-HNL), which took away a gate. But as SFO gets overwhelmed with new carriers, this move by SJC could pay off.

Anyone have info on this Sapphire?

ASSFO



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3936 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 2):
A very surprising and SMART move by SJC. The possibility of SFO and SJC getting Indian serves seems feasible. San Jose has so much potential and if SFO admits it or not, depending on timing they could be running into some issues with international gates. Just today KLM was waiting for some time (grantes NW diverted a A333 MSP-HNL), which took away a gate. But as SFO gets overwhelmed with new carriers, this move by SJC could pay off.

....sounds great in theory, but in the end, as usual, SFO will win out.... Sad



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User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3863 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 3):
....sounds great in theory, but in the end, as usual, SFO will win out....

I agree. Unfortunately, as the article states, SFO is SJC biggest obstacle. Offering incentives are nothing new. SFO offers incentives to new carriers starting new routes to new destinations. The delicate dancing act of gate availability at SFO will always be a factor. In the end, a gate will be found. It's not like the old days in the former IT at SFO when it was common to have 3 747s lined up on the taxi ways during the summer waiting for a gate.

Having seen and worked at SJC "new" arrivals building, it got quite crowded when AA brought in a full load on their former NRT route.

That KLM flight did find a gate, abet the G-Terminal.  Smile

Quoting AS739X (Reply 2):
Anyone have info on this Sapphire?

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...y_to_India/articleshow/2115313.cms



John@SFO
User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3862 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 2):
Anyone have info on this Sapphire?

Googling, I found an article on it dating back to 2006 in which Sapphire projected FAA approval in 6 months, and operations in about 15 months.. I do not believe they are for real.
http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/9789.asp
The incentives offered are not a lot in annual terms for transoceanic flights. Googling, I found more info. on the incentive program, with selected quotes below:

The Airport receives approximately $175,000 annually for a typical domestic flight that is operated on a daily basis, and an estimated $717,000 annually for a daily transoceanic flight. Fees and charges eligible to receive credit through the program include landing fees, gate use fees, aircraft parking charges, facility rental changes and airport-imposed international passenger processing fees (excluding Passenger Facility Charges—PFCs). Air service that operates during the Airport Curfew (11:30 p.m. to 6:30 a.m.) will not be eligible for the incentive program.
http://www.sjc.org/AirportReport/MayJune06/AR_content.html


User currently offlineWhosee From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3650 times:

Well it would be great to see a 777 at SJC again! An A340 would be just as good too  thumbsup 

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 3):
....sounds great in theory, but in the end, as usual, SFO will win out....

Surely we should be able to snag one of the three mentioned airlines. Or how exciting would it be if American announces SJC-Bangalore. It could called the Nerd Bird v2.0!  biggrin 


User currently offlineStealth777 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 375 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 2 days ago) and read 3566 times:

Well SFO is supposed to bring A1, A3, A5 online soon. that would give them 3 extra gates on the international side.

User currently offlineBkkair From Thailand, joined Aug 2001, 409 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3486 times:

Veering slightly off topic.........

Is gate availability actually a factor in adding new service or is profitability?

In Hong Kong, Chep Lap Kok still uses bus gates. Kai Tak probably used bus gates 80-90% of the time and airlines were lined up to start service.

In Bangkok, the new airport, Suvarnabhumi makes major use of bus gates, even TG (the home carrier) uses them. LAX uses bus gates.

At enormous airports, such as Suvarnabhumi, you are lucky when you get a bus gate because you get to immigration much faster than using a gate at the terminal where you might need walk to 15 minutes.

Airlines are more concerned about flying where they can make money than by where they can get a gate at the terminal.


User currently offlineRyu2 From Taiwan, joined Aug 2002, 492 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3474 times:

Can SJC's runway handle a plane loaded USA-India (I assume it has to be 777LR or A345)?

User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3233 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3456 times:

I thought the issue with SJC was more to do with the runway length being inadequate or something? Has that issue been resolved?


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User currently offlineDLPhoenix From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 419 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3446 times:

SJC Runways are 11,000 feet long.
Thet are also 700 feet apart limiting simultaneous takeoff and landing, but this is also the case with SFO.


User currently offlineN53614 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 248 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3355 times:

Quoting Ryu2 (Reply 9):
Can SJC's runway handle a plane loaded USA-India (I assume it has to be 777LR or A345)?

SJC did just fine with B777-200ERs headed to NRT and TPE...



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User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4896 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3309 times:

Quoting DLPhoenix (Reply 11):
Thet are also 700 feet apart limiting simultaneous takeoff and landing, but this is also the case with SFO.

Isn't it a common sight at SFO to see both runways being simultaneously used for landing? Thanks for clarifying...


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12556 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3290 times:

Quoting Whosee (Reply 6):
Or how exciting would it be if American announces SJC-Bangalore. It could called the Nerd Bird v2.0! biggrin

Or the "Outsourced Nerd Bird"?  biggrin 



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6141 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3290 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 10):

11,000 Feet. The second longest runway on the Bay Area behind 28R/10L at SFO. And SJC has 11,000ft runways.

Quoting DLPhoenix (Reply 11):

SJC and SFO are completely different. SFO primarily uses 1L/1R for departures. The 750 separation between SFO's 28L/R never hampers VFR simultaneous arrivals (exception is with strong westerly winds). Also, SJC is nowhere close to as busy as SFO. I have almost never seen simultaneous arrivals in the 31's.

Quoting Comorin (Reply 13):

Very common. All day long. Look at the photo's from SFO

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 3):



Quoting Legacyins (Reply 4):

Agreed: SFO will gobble these carriers up. I've always hoped for SJC to get a little piece of the action. But just not likely. Things will sure improve with A1,3,5 online. Legacy, you see them get A-5 jetways up yesterday? I'm being told a week from Friday is will be operational, what do you hear? Should add some variety to the view from my office.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3247 times:

...what about OAK? Surprised no one's even mentioned it.

I'm aware of their reputation as the LoCo airport... but it's no secret that they wouldn't mind grabbing a piece of the intercontinental pie. Granted, both codeshare and interline connections would be weaker there than SFO; but if for nothing else than proximity to the city itself (vs SJC's proximity to tech companies in the valley), I wonder what chance it stands?


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3189 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 5):
Air service that operates during the Airport Curfew (11:30 p.m. to 6:30 a.m.) will not be eligible for the incentive program.

That could keep a number of Latiamerican airlines away from SJC, many California-Mexico/Centralamerica flights arrive/depart between 2230 and 0130h.



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6141 posts, RR: 23
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3168 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 16):

I would think with Oakland its running short of gate space. Also, with the addition of TACA the international gate is being streched. The issue you run into adding a widebody international to OAK is that it would occupy the only gate that can except the arrivals. MX,TA wouldn't be to keen on bus Ops I would. Obviously its all about timing. But I thought about if Oasis started OAK-HKG and was sitting on Gate 1 from 5pm to 1am. Where would the Latin carriers arrive?

ASSFO



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3076 times:

Quoting Whosee (Reply 6):
Surely we should be able to snag one of the three mentioned airlines. Or how exciting would it be if American announces SJC-Bangalore. It could called the Nerd Bird v2.0!  biggrin 

....that would rock! IT's Mallya did say BLR-SFO is in the cards so if he decides a few miles south we'll get a "pseudo Nerd-Bird"... biggrin 

Quoting Stealth777 (Reply 7):
Well SFO is supposed to bring A1, A3, A5 online soon. that would give them 3 extra gates on the international side.

..thanks for dashing what little hope we had... mad ..LoL!

Quoting Ryu2 (Reply 9):
Can SJC's runway handle a plane loaded USA-India (I assume it has to be 777LR or A345)?

...yes....however, summer in San Jose does get to the mid 90's where as it rarely gets over 80 in Millbrae (where SFO Airport is located)

Quoting Comorin (Reply 13):
Quoting DLPhoenix (Reply 11):
Thet are also 700 feet apart limiting simultaneous takeoff and landing, but this is also the case with SFO.

Isn't it a common sight at SFO to see both runways being simultaneously used for landing? Thanks for clarifying...

..yes it is..happens all the time.... yes 



Quoting Revelation (Reply 14):
Quoting Whosee (Reply 6):
Or how exciting would it be if American announces SJC-Bangalore. It could called the Nerd Bird v2.0! biggrin

Or the "Outsourced Nerd Bird"?  biggrin 

 rotfl ....

Quoting AS739X (Reply 15):
SFO primarily uses 1L/1R for departures.

...it actually depends on the time of day (and of course other factors also-such as winds/weather/ect)..but primarily the time of day.... heavies will mostly use the 28's after 12:00 p.m....

Quoting AS739X (Reply 15):
Also, SJC is nowhere close to as busy as SFO. I have almost never seen simultaneous arrivals in the 31's.

....SFO is 2.5 times as busy SJC...... Sad

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 16):
I'm aware of their reputation as the LoCo airport... but it's no secret that they wouldn't mind grabbing a piece of the intercontinental pie. Granted, both codeshare and interline connections would be weaker there than SFO; but if for nothing else than proximity to the city itself (vs SJC's proximity to tech companies in the valley), I wonder what chance it stands?

Not only is its reputation as a local airport, also, for many Indians (as well as tech companies) its actually easier and convenient to go to either SJC or SFO.....Besides Fremont and parts of Milpitas and the northeastern end of San Jose, its rather inconvenient to go to OAK...especially when the I-880 gets traffic.....



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8374 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3050 times:
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Why would a legitimate international airline flyig to San Francisco want to fly to San Jose. AA had their SJC to NRT flight for years and it never quite worked right. AA even tried SJC to Taipei and that didn't work either. SFO is the main international airport for northern California and that is the airport JET Airways, Kingfisher or any new airline should fly too. Air Canada or Mexicana are different for obvious reasons. It like saying newbie air is flying from Newarl to London, Mastan; its in the general English southeast but way the hel on the east coast.

User currently offlineModernArt From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3024 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 20):
Why would a legitimate international airline flyig to San Francisco want to fly to San Jose.

Hmmm, maybe that... "The area around SJC is home to over 70,000 people of Indian origin, constituting the largest Asian Indian population in the Bay Area of San Francisco."

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 20):
SFO is the main international airport for northern California and that is the airport JET Airways, Kingfisher or any new airline should fly too.

Maybe, but your comment is laced with nothing but arrogance. The SFO/SJ region is perfectly capabale of supporting multiple intercontinental airports...if not now, than certainly in the not too distant future.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21529 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3010 times:

Quoting ConcordeBoy (Reply 16):
Granted, both codeshare and interline connections would be weaker there than SFO; but if for nothing else than proximity to the city itself (vs SJC's proximity to tech companies in the valley), I wonder what chance it stands?

It's not the proximity to the city that is the only factor. It's proximity to the tech companies on the peninsula. Again, SFO has the best of both worlds, as it's over 1 hour from SJC to the city. And there is a large Indian populations spread out among the expensive homes nearer to SFO as well.



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User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2077 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2975 times:

Quoting AS739X (Reply 15):
Legacy, you see them get A-5 jetways up yesterday? I'm being told a week from Friday is will be operational, what do you hear? Should add some variety to the view from my office.

Yes I did. I was walking through the A-Terminal on Sunday and they were installing seating and monitors on the second level. I have heard that one of the new gates will be A 380 ready? Our offices are right in the corner on the second level. I have a nice big window over looking Gates A-1 to A-9.

Quoting ModernArt (Reply 21):
The SFO/SJ region is perfectly capable of supporting multiple intercontinental airports...if not now, than certainly in the not too distant future.

Yes, this is true. There are many examples of multiple International Airports in the same geographic area. One aspect, sometimes forgotten, is the ability to process the passengers off the flight. By this I mean, are there Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Officer available to clear these prospective flights. CBP is not staffing SJC full time. Officers from SFO drive down to SJC to clear what ever flight comes in and then drive back up to SFO. There is such a shortage of CBP Officers at SFO as it is and to require seven of them to leave SFO during the peak arrival times would be an operational issue. This is not to say CBP would deny landing rights because of this (They did when MX wanted Fresno, but eventually worked it out with the City paying CBP's Bill) but it would create a problem.

As stated, I think the only possible carrier is Sapphire Airways, if they get off the ground. This will give SJC not only a direct flight to India but also a flight to Europe (Munich). being a new carrier, I would say they would want to control their start up costs as much as possible.



John@SFO
User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6141 posts, RR: 23
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2940 times:

Quoting Legacyins (Reply 23):

You must be able to look right into my office. I'm looking at your windows right now. I am right under gate 20. But I'd take your view anyday!

Thats a good point with the CBP. I completly forgot that SJC was done by SFO.

ASSFO



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25 Copaair737 : Is AI still planning on starting SFO-BLR nonstop, or has that been put on hold since the JFK-BOM n/s isn't performing well for them?
26 LHPDX : SJC needs to focus and try to lure a flight to Europe and Asia for now...........
27 ConcordeBoy : ...um, exactly what do you think they're trying to do with this?
28 Stealth777 : Legacy from what I have heard from Mike is that only the end gates would be A380 capable. That's where they would be putting in the additional 3rd je
29 Legacyins : I was meaning to ask about this "3rd' jetway. I saw it over at G101 for the A380. Is this unique to SFO or are there other airports who use this syst
30 Stealth777 : I've only seen it at SFO (I have a picture in the "Q", lets see if it makes it thru with the A380 at the triple jetway) but I havent seen other airpor
31 AS739X : Andeles, good lunch! I'll look into it more, but I was told by ramp tower that A-1 will be A380 capable. But it will not have the third jetway as G10
32 Jfk777 : My reasoning isn't arrogance its the factual truth, its not my fault AA couldn't make it work from SJC to either NRT or TPE. 70,000 people of Indian
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