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Chinese Standing Up In Planes On The Runway  
User currently offlineUAL747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14979 times:

Hey guys,

Just had an interesting question I thought I'd ask. On two of my flights to and from China, one being ICN-PEK and one being PEK-ORD, both times, Chinese passengers stood up in the aircraft while the plane had just touched down on the runway and started to collect their things from the overhead bins, only to be told over the PA system to sit down. While the Korean Air route, ICN-PEK was rather mild in their comments, on the way back, on UA from PEK to ORD, when we landed in ORD, the flight attendants were downright mad about it and screamed at several passengers as they quickly got out of their seats and ran to sit the passengers down. The Chinese gentlemen right behind me got a good lashing in English out of the UA flight attendant as he jerked the backpack from the guys hands and yelled at him.

Is it normal for Chinese passengers to do this?

The only other weird thing that happened, but went unoticed was on an AA 777 landing from ZHR in DFW when I was returning from Rome, a, what seemed to be a Latino child (was speaking Spanish) was standing up in his seat the ENTIRE final approach. Was really funny to see this kid fly up in the air a bit when our captain threw up the spoilers full blast to knock us down a few hundred feet.

(I actually came across our captain and asked him what the spoiler thing was about at baggage claim, because it we dropped so fast and people gasped as we dropped. He said DFW tower had changed some things up on them and we had to decend really fast in order to stay on approach).

Anyway, I've also flown in and out of HKG to and from the US and no one seemed to stand up on those flights, as I can remember).

UAL

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User currently offlineHAMAD From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2000, 1160 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 14830 times:

different cultures i guess, but still safety is safety. i remember one time i was on flight 932, the plane was pushing back and sitting in the last row of biz 15A, i could see the flight attendant walk toward the economy cabin and say "Excuze me ma'am, you need to immediatly sit down or this plane will be stopped immediatly" on another incident on united, we are pushing back and a passenger stood up again and walked, till she was yelled at by the flight attendants.


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User currently offlineQF772 From Australia, joined Aug 2006, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 14412 times:

Last week I was on a Qantas Flight out of Sydney, we were well into the Taxi when some guy gets out of his seat and walks back to the toilet. He was tackled by 2 FAs and shoved into a spare seat in the last row. the FAs literally had enough time to go back to their seats as the takeoff roll commenced.

The icing on the cake was that this idiot had the nerve to have a go at one of the FAs later in the flight, stating how rude they had been. If not for their intervention he would have been standing at take off.

It may be more prevalent in certain areas/cultures but stupidity is universal.

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User currently offlineQantasairways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1279 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 14361 times:

I was on a Qantas flight a few weeks back and after we had touched down, a guy gets up to get his stuff from the overhead. The flight attendant yelled from her seat in the galley "You HAVE to sit down!". Everyone turned around and the guy turned bright red before frantically trying to do his seatbelt up. Shame them, I say! It's not like they weren't told.


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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2961 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 14288 times:

Yes it's completely normal on some Asian routes. (Japanese, Korean, HK & Singaporean are exceptions - from my experience)
Also, on final, many Chinese start talking on the cellphone. It's like the gear down signal is the right to do anything.


User currently offlineTennis69 From Qatar, joined Apr 2007, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 14247 times:

I have flown Chinese domestic flights over 200 times and you see it every so often. If I learned anything during my 2 years living/working in China it's that there is no character in the Chinese language for "patience". I see it as part of the charm of their culture.

User currently offlineBigTom From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2006, 597 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 14094 times:

I suppose this is pretty common in some parts of the world, not just the Chinese, I have seen Indians, Thais, Indonesians, Filipinos and Middle Easterners doing it often.

Cheers


User currently offlineDalavia From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 549 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 13980 times:

It's not only the passengers. On one flight I had with Air Koryo (not China, I know, but its neighbour), the cabin staff were walking up and down the aisle during the entire period of taxiing and take-off, including the rotation. They didn't find it easy to keep walking, but they did.

User currently offlineZkpilot From New Zealand, joined Mar 2006, 4836 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 13863 times:

Quoting QF772 (Reply 2):
Last week I was on a Qantas Flight out of Sydney, we were well into the Taxi when some guy gets out of his seat and walks back to the toilet. He was tackled by 2 FAs and shoved into a spare seat in the last row. the FAs literally had enough time to go back to their seats as the takeoff roll commenced.

The icing on the cake was that this idiot had the nerve to have a go at one of the FAs later in the flight, stating how rude they had been. If not for their intervention he would have been standing at take off.

It may be more prevalent in certain areas/cultures but stupidity is universal.

Happens all the time particularly with Chinese... not sure what the deal is there (and yes the ones I am talking about are definantly Chinese). I saw a Chinese man standup in Ezone on a 744 just as it turned onto the runway and began to powerup for takeoff... and of course because he didn't understand English he ignored the crews instructions and found it very hard to keep standing straight!



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11712 posts, RR: 62
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 13834 times:

Not trying to over-generalize, but I think that's just common in Asia.

On recent trips I've taken from Singapore to Jakarta and Bangkok, and between Bangkok and Chiang Mai, in both directions, passengers were standing up in the aisles and removing bags from the overhead bins before the plane even stopped rolling into the gate. The crew didn't even bat an eye at it - they acted as if it was normal, which it sounds like it is.


User currently offlineCF105Arrow From Canada, joined Oct 2007, 319 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 13773 times:

I doubt that there ever was an MEA flight that landed in Beirut without passengers standing up to remove belongings from the bins prior to the plane stopping.

Also not exactly the same but on Air Koryo flights during takeoff and landing, due to the lack of assigned seats, the cabin crew is either walking around or holding to a strap or an overhead bin (or at least they used to).


User currently offlineOrionDartanyu From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 4 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 13737 times:

Odd that I read this today. Because well i was on a US Airways flight from KPHX to KLAX and 19 Chinese, non english speakers were on the flight. They just took any seat, all over the aircraft. So the flight attendants finally just said to the other passengers, "sorry, we need to go, just find an open seat."

But what I found odd, and coincidently reading this, was because we were like 15 miles of KLAX, and one of the chinese guys gets up to go the restroom. I had never seen anything like this and was quite shocked, guess it's common after reading this thread.


User currently offlineGQ From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 83 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 13690 times:

I would have to say that this behavior transcends cultural lines with the most recent experience I can recall on a LH flight (FRA-LOS-ACC). As we touched down in LOS a passenger in the very last row got up (caucasian female) to which a crew member made an annoucement over the PA "Ma'am what you are doing is very unsafe, please sit down" and repeated it in German...i guess different strokes for different folks!


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User currently offlineIcarus75 From France, joined Oct 2003, 800 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 13103 times:

Quoting UAL747 (Thread starter):
Is it normal for Chinese passengers to do this?

I'm not surprised at all.
I've flown 5 times domestic in China (China Eastern and Dragonair) and it was the same except that the F/A said nothing!



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User currently offlineFlyboyOz From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 1986 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12914 times:

Well...Dragionair cabin crews kept telling chinese people to SIT DOWN and forcing them to sit down after the door closed.

On AS from YVR to LAX, i was shocked to see a chinese old man (from another seat) ran back to his own seat where his wife was when our plane MD80 approaching to the runway. Two cabin crews ran to catch him and thought that he was going to hijack the plane cos he was going to the flight deck door. But he already sat down on his seat with his wife already. LOL!



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User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3771 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12861 times:

This has happened on a few transatlantic flights I've been on, but I can't say there have been any cultural connotations, as the people involved appeared to have been Scandinavian or British. Only common denominator is that they were all women.

Lucky that nobody stood up during landing on my last flight into ORD a few weeks ago. The A340 braked so hard that I, with my face up against the window, slammed it pretty hard into the seat in front of me. The reason for the hard braking became clear to me as we turned of 27L right before 32L intersects it, and I could see an American Eagle ERJ was in the process of taking off from that runway.

Would have been interesting to see what that kind of deceleration would have done to someone standing up, though.  silly 

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User currently offlineCaspritz78 From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12560 times:

I don't think it has something to do with the culture or nationality. First: Stupidity is an world-wide phenomena. Second: As more and more people can fly due cheaper prices and higher availability more and more people fly for the first time and have no clue what is appropriate or safe and what not. Probably many of these people we are talking in this thread took a train or bus before.

So I think airlines really need to rethink how to take care of such people. I think besides the security instructions they need to show some "How to behave on a plane"-instructions, too.


User currently offlineACEregular From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 676 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 12412 times:

It always seems to me that passengers believe the safety element involved in flying only applies between wheels leaving the ground and touching the ground. I have seen it numerous times here in the UK. The most annoying thing is once the cabin is secure and you pass on the secure to the captain. The capatian can now make decisions based on the fact his cabin is secure, he does not have a rear view mirror to see the case has changed. Passengers getting up and wandering about, even to the toilet without warning just as you are about to turn onto the runway has seen me having to call flightdeck or bellow down the cabin. What is quite good is the fact a lot of the time the flightdeck listen in on our PA's so if they hear you shout a command they sometimes give the brakes a nice little tap, just to give the passenger a nice little warning lol.

User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12304 times:

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 4):
Japanese, Korean, HK & Singaporean are exceptions

Yes, this reminds me of something but about a month ago, I was on a JL B773 from CTS-ITM and a passenger fell ill just before we started our decent into ITM. There was an announcement for all passengers to be remain seated until the rescue crew came in and took him out. Everyone was silent when the plane got to the gate and nobody (not even one) person unfastened their seat-belt until this man was carried out of the plane.

Similar thing happened a couple years ago on a flight from KIX-PEK. Everyone stood up, and while the rescue crew tried to come, the cabin looked like a packed subway line in Tokyo during Rush-Hour. Then, everyone stampeded out first, and the poor gentleman was the second last to get off the plane with rescue crew (the last one was me as I decided to wait).



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User currently offlineDimoko From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 307 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 12249 times:

i noticed that while travelling on many chinese domestic flights, that the chinese want to be OFF the plane in a hurry. it was safer just to sit there while they mauraded towards the door.


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User currently offlineComorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4897 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11874 times:

It's also a matter of education and development of civic sense. While economies grow at a fast clip, it doesn't mean that a population modernizes at the same rate.

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User currently offlineTrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4774 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11751 times:
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User currently offlineSh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11578 times:

My feeling is let them all hurry, I'll relax and take it easy. Everyone will be standing around the luggage carousel anyway so why rush?
I'm going to fly China domestic this winter, If I see pax standing up during final approach or on taxi roll , I'll take video or pics of it. At least Chinese airlines serve meals on 2 hour flights, so how bad can it be?


User currently offlineKdm From New Zealand, joined Feb 2006, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11313 times:

I recently flew China Southern internally within China and on touch down a FA came and got 2 passengers out of their seats, got their bags and took them up the front. We had only just touched down with reverse thrusters doing there thing and it prompted a number of people to get up and start getting their bags as well before we even turned off the runway.

No one said a word. A fly quite a lot in Asia (6 or so flights per month) mostly on SQ and have never seen it happen on a SQ flight so I don't think it is really a general Asian thing. Haven't flown domestic within Thailand or Indonesia so could be wrong.


User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12597 posts, RR: 25
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 11200 times:

Quoting Icarus75 (Reply 13):

I'm not surprised at all.
I've flown 5 times domestic in China (China Eastern and Dragonair) and it was the same except that the F/A said nothing!

Maybe the Chinese FA won't loose their job if word gets back to the wrong person, but the AA one would? Think of all that precious senority right down the toilet!

Years ago the lady I was travelling with went running to the toilet as we were taxying out to the runway. The FAs were extremely pissed off, and we lost our position in the takeoff line, but the lady I was travelling with was in there vomitting for five minutes or so! I don't think the other pax and crew would like to have to spend several hours on the plane after she barfed all over the place!



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25 LTBEWR : Clearly such pax may put themselves at great risk of injury or even death if the a/c had to do a panic stop on the runway or taxiway. Probably people
26 ACFA : Yes!
27 Bramble : Have experianced this on several flights to RIX (Riga, Latvia) They do not like to obey instructions given to them. Had to learn the Latvian and Russi
28 EXAAUADL : Ive noticed this with other non-western cultures.....also having had some exprience with Chinese....they just do what they feel like doing. I took a u
29 Cchan : I have flown CZ from SYX to HKG last year. There were passengers who haven't fasten their seat belts until the MD80 reaches the runway at SYX. Simila
30 Bongo : The best proof it is not dangerous...
31 Alphonze : CX crew never seem to have any trouble keeping order. I've often seen pax (mostly Chinese, in fairness) leaping out of their seats and lunging for th
32 Cyclonic : I can vouch for this too. I was on a flight at Christmas time on a PER-SIN-ICN-YVR routing with SQ. As you could guess there was a significant Asian a
33 Baroque : Some years ago I was on a DC9 flight into Padang in Sumatera and as usual a flock of local passengers were up long before we got to the gate. As the b
34 Marcus : This happens also in Mexico, on most flights you will allways have at least 1 passenger stand up before the plane arrives to the gate!.........the "po
35 Post contains images Grockpilot : Yeah, I've flown Korean Air 9 times. I'd say 5 of those flights I've experienced ppl get up while we taxi to the gate (tends to be the older people us
36 Albird87 : haha if i was a pilot and i heard people up and about when they are told to remain seated i would do that also!! I can sort of understand some people
37 SCUMBAG : I arrived in SFO on a Philippine Airlines flight years ago, and the Customs boarded the plane as soon as the door was opened and DEMANDED everyone hol
38 Vio : When I flew from PRG to YYZ in 1993 with a CSA A310. I got up as soon as the plane touched down. Of course the flight attendat told me to "Be seated"
39 707lvr : I've found the least stressful way to deplane is simply to sit quietly and read or something until the aircraft is about 80% empty. In the end, you wi
40 UN_B732 : That's a solid strategy - but whenever I come to/from SVO or KBP, getting to Customs is like a little war of who can walk faster, and which old lady a
41 Schipholjfk : Everyone does it. I have seen it in the U.S. also especially when some idiot tries to push you out of the way to get out of the plane. As if he/she h
42 Schipholjfk : I bet the lecturer was some smart Chinese or Indian! Apparently that works since majority of the Asians including Chinese and Indians are at the top
43 Robsawatsky : Had a similar situation with Chinese passengers a couple of months back. However, this was obviously a language and experience issue. There were two i
44 Post contains images Geekydude : Being a Chinese, I can probably attest that the above mentioned inicident does seem to happen frequently among Chinese passengers when it comes to air
45 Post contains images FAEDC3 : I had personally seen the same on a Gol flight arriving to POA... I guess this kind of behavior is wide spread amongst every culture. As some A netter
46 Post contains images OB1504 : This is why you spend 20 minutes in the flight deck speaking with the pilots. By the time you get to customs and immigration, it's deserted, and your
47 CPH-R : Had an experience along this line a few years ago on BA LHR-EWR. Immediately after takeoff (and I mean, 2-3 seconds after rotation) an elderly looking
48 Tolmachevo : Have seen standing during take off on internal russian flight on both SU & S7, they just held on to a seatback for support, FAs just ignored them...
49 Albird87 : yeah if only!! have you flown with AA recently?? they seem to have no time for anybody on those flights. They want to get through and on their way ho
50 EXAAUADL : No he was an Aussie The truth is stupid????
51 Shane : Ah whatever let 'em stand up and collect their loot if they must. Then maybe we can get off the plane within 30 min of landing!
52 Prebennorholm : Some 25 years ago I was on a two sectors trip with an easy and relaxed two hours stopover at a major hub. When checking in I was told that I was prett
53 Ryanair!!! : On every flight, you will have some pax who are more eager than others to leave the plane. And yes, there are some passengers who rarely fly to unders
54 Post contains images SB : Flew FR STN-CRL a few weeks ago, half the pax was standing up before we had come to a complete stop. Needless to say the cabin crew wasn't too pleased
55 OB1504 : Good point, although hopefully the transfer of a dozen or so international carriers to the South Terminal (with its own immigration facility) will he
56 Post contains images FAEDC3 : Great story!!
57 Post contains images Wukka : Depending on the airport, if you can managed to stand up on some of those inter-terminal trams/trains, you should certainly be able to stand up during
58 Tennis69 : Gents - I have read your replys with great interest and from someone who has flown on Chinese arilines over 200 times I can offer this. While getting
59 Cchan : Quite opposite to standing up on landing or takeoff, a couple of years back I got on a KA flight at PEK, there was an older couple in front of me. As
60 FlyOakland2IAH : When I was a kid, sometime in the mid-1960's I was on a PSA Electra flight. The stewardesses (not flight attendants then) would collect tickets like o
61 Post contains images FlyBoy84 : My own father decided that he needed to take a quick wizz on final to ORD and I was completely MORTIFIED! The male FA tried nicely to tell him but dea
62 Paulc : I was on a Garuda flight a few years ago from Melborne to Jakarta. One pax was very keen to get his bag from the overhead and despite repeated instruc
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