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Delta Starts LAX-LIH And LAX-KOA June 2008  
User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4927 posts, RR: 25
Posted (7 years 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8699 times:
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DL will be adding daily LAX-LIH and LAX-KOA service starting June 2008:

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/071023/129394.html

Looks like both will be operated with 757-200s.

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User currently offlineMbm3 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 844 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8681 times:
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That will certainly make it easier for us Skyteamers to get to both amazing destinations rather than the typical 2-3 stops that it now takes.

"Flights will be operated with a mix of Boeing 757-200, 767-300 and 767-400 aircraft" - is it just me or does LIH seem to be a little short for a 767?

[Edited 2007-10-23 07:44:51]


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User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8658 times:

DL finally getting back to becoming a big player in the Hawaii market. Great news!

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 8593 times:

6-hour turnarounds in LIH and KOA, respectively. If the article didn't mention that DL will have a total of 9 flights to Hawaii, one might suspect

User currently offlineJetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3311 posts, RR: 35
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8492 times:

Just for the record, these markets will NOT be operated by the ex-AA 757's. They will instead be operated by the ex-ATA 757's that have been in the DL fleet for years. Those aircraft will be freed up from South America routes by 737-700's.

User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8467 times:

Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 4):
Just for the record, these markets will NOT be operated by the ex-AA 757's. They will instead be operated by the ex-ATA 757's that have been in the DL fleet for years. Those aircraft will be freed up from South America routes by 737-700's.

Interesting, thanks for pointing that out.......as the ex-TW/AA 752s will be getting a BizElite cabin, those airplanes will fly transatlantic services. WIll the 4 ex-ATA/SQ airplanes be based at LAX??


User currently offlineFUN2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1059 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8441 times:

I guess that DL's hub at LAX is coming along quite well and justifies these additions. Interesting to see the after leisure routes (albeit higher revenue ones than HNL) vs. business or APAC/SPAC routes. Have to see how this one plays out as Hawaiian, ATA, others flood the market w/cheap fares and the normal competition from AA, UA, US in PHX, and NW. I give it a 50% shot at working. CO tried OGG and it didn't work out, but NW has HNL from most west coast airports and it must work out, albeit on much more economical and lower CASM 753's. Any other bettors?

User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8384 times:

Fantastic news!!!! Always great to see DL adding more service to the beautiful Hawaiian islands!!! Now if we can just kick "GO" out of Hawaii that would be wonderful!

[Edited 2007-10-23 08:47:41]

[Edited 2007-10-23 08:48:12]


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8384 times:

Quoting FUN2FLY (Reply 6):
CO tried OGG and it didn't work out, but NW has HNL from most west coast airports and it must work out, albeit on much more economical and lower CASM 753's

CO has no one to blame for itself concerning the OGG service, with odd flight times, no feed at LAX, and the ""compromise"" IAH-LAX-OGG routing (replacing the nonstop 767 service from IAH to OGG).......CO basically set itself up for failure. Running the OGG flight with a 752 via LAX was one of those idea that sounded good in theory, but did not work out in real life.

NW does OK on its Hawaiian services.......but the West Coast-Hawaii market is getting very crowded with AS launching flights from SEA and ANC and now DL expanding service out of LAX.

Quoting FUN2FLY (Reply 6):
Any other bettors?

DL will make this work, I think, LIH and KOA are big destinations ex-LAX and we are talking one 752 per day. DL is putting together a hub at LAX (even if its based on RJ operations for many many routes) and has a following in the LA area.

I wonder if DL will re-launch the SFO-HNL flight? And, there was so much talk about SLC-Hawaii service....any news on that issue?


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4927 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8319 times:
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Quoting FUN2FLY (Reply 6):
Have to see how this one plays out as Hawaiian, ATA, others flood the market w/cheap fares and the normal competition from AA, UA, US in PHX, and NW. I give it a 50% shot at working. CO tried OGG and it didn't work out, but NW has HNL from most west coast airports and it must work out, albeit on much more economical and lower CASM 753's. Any other bettors?

IIRC, NW flies to KOA from SEA and MSP and not the SoCal area. On LAX-LIH and LAX-KOA nonstops, DL's competition will be UA (2x daily) and AA (1x daily). It is the only SkyTeam option on these routes from the LA area, and like LAX-OGG, I could see CO codesharing on these new services.

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 3):
DL will have a total of 9 flights to Hawaii,

..made up of:

LAX-HNL (2x daily)
LAX-OGG
LAX-LIH
LAX-KOA
ATL-HNL (2x daily)
SLC-HNL
SLC-OGG

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 1):
"Flights will be operated with a mix of Boeing 757-200, 767-300 and 767-400 aircraft" - is it just me or does LIH seem to be a little short for a 767?

757:

LAX-LIH
LAX-KOA

763:

LAX-HNL (2x daily)
LAX-OGG
SLC-OGG

764:
ATL-HNL (2x daily)
SLC-HNL


User currently offlineFUN2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1059 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8168 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 9):
DL will have a total of 9 flights to Hawaii,

They cancelled CVG>HNL? I haven't followed it that closely, but thought that was a route for awhile.


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4927 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 8149 times:
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Quoting FUN2FLY (Reply 10):
They cancelled CVG>HNL?

Yes, CVG-HNL was dropped as of mid-August this year...


User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7507 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8035 times:

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 1):
is it just me or does LIH seem to be a little short for a 767?

UA operates a 763 from the west coast there on occasion.Though, a 764 would be too much for LIH.



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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7905 times:

Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 4):
Just for the record, these markets will NOT be operated by the ex-AA 757's. They will instead be operated by the ex-ATA 757's that have been in the DL fleet for years.

Looks to me like they will be operated by regular, non-PTV Delta 757s. Looking at the flights, they are showing 24 first class seats. Aren't ex-ATA 22 first class seats?



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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9556 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 7883 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 13):
Looks to me like they will be operated by regular, non-PTV Delta 757s. Looking at the flights, they are showing 24 first class seats. Aren't ex-ATA 22 first class seats?

they have to be the ATA birds (they are ETOPS and the reg. 757 are not) but i would guess that they will get PTVs and maybe winglets(DL has options for winglets on all 767-300ERs 757s and 737s)



yep.
User currently offlineDelta787 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7761 times:

Great to see that Delta's going back to Kona. I only wish this service was starting a little earlier for my upcoming trip to Hawaii.


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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4106 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7567 times:

Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 4):
Just for the record, these markets will NOT be operated by the ex-AA 757's. They will instead be operated by the ex-ATA 757's that have been in the DL fleet for years.

Aside from the ex-TWA/AA 752s, these are the only a/c that have ETOPs or can immediate be certified for ETOPs-180. Not the least bit surprised since the ex-TWA/AA are best off being put on JFK-Europe service. Eventually they can meet a longer ETOPs if needs be to do this.

Quoting Panamair (Reply 9):
LAX-HNL (2x daily)
LAX-OGG
LAX-LIH
LAX-KOA
ATL-HNL (2x daily)
SLC-HNL
SLC-OGG

Please note how many are flown from LAX vs. SLC. I've said it before, and I'll say it again, LAX is a MUCH better origin for Hawaii, especially for the outer islands (OGG, KOA, LIH, Hilo) than SLC. While SLC can support some direct Hawaii service, connectivity can only carry it so far. Perhaps when the winter 2008-09 schedule kicks in fully, DL will see fit to originate some outer island flights in SLC with a stop in LAX, since there never seams to be enough SLC-LAX seats anyhow (eliminate a CRJ flight in place of mainline). I think the 752 is a good fit for DL to the outer islands, but all HNL service should remain a 764ER (domestic config') and none-ER763. If SLC-OGG service remains, it wouldn't surprise me if it went to a 752 in the not to distant future pending availability and freight demand etc...



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User currently offlineUA2162 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 496 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7567 times:

All right! They have said time and time again that they will be back to KOA as they enjoyed full loads in the past but left due to the fact they can make more money with their 764's elsewhere.

Finally! It's official! Welcome back!

I wonder if they'll use AQ again for their handling?


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4106 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7236 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 9):
I could see CO codesharing on these new services.

As I recall CO has cut back their services to Hawaii. So it is possible, and they can give their customers more Hawaii options.

One other point about SLC-Hawaii. Could DL even get a mainline gate for this flight at an optimal time? That is the other issue facing DL and other carriers now at SLC.



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User currently offlineSANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 5472 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7151 times:

I can't help but think that SAN will see competition on the HNL route next year and I'd sure love to see DL get back in there.

SAN remains the only major west coast city with only 1 n/s flight to HNL -- I do not count UA's sporadic Sat flight. For crying out loud, there are 2 cx flying n/s to OGG from Lindbergh!

bb


User currently offlineRookinla From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 307 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7103 times:

Quoting SANFan (Reply 19):
I can't help but think that SAN will see competition on the HNL route next year and I'd sure love to see DL get back in there.

SAN might see another HNL flight but don't look for DL to start this one. DL is working at feeding service through LAX to make the Hawaii routes work more efficiently. Your best chance is possibly daily UA...if that even happens.


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4106 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 6844 times:

Quoting Rookinla (Reply 20):
SAN might see another HNL flight but don't look for DL to start this one. DL is working at feeding service through LAX to make the Hawaii routes work more efficiently. Your best chance is possibly daily UA...if that even happens.

Perhaps if GO gets into mainland-island flights you'll see them jump at SAN service. DL is focusing on LAX as it's #1 jumping off point to Hawaii.



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User currently offlineTozairport From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 686 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6473 times:

Quoting Mbm3 (Reply 1):
is it just me or does LIH seem to be a little short for a 767?

No, it actually does very well. The first trip I had to LIH in a 767 was a surprise. The Captain and I were both expecting a 757 and when we got the paperwork it was obvious from the fuel required and the weights that it was not a 757! Our first question was the same as yours - "can we do that?" In the end, it was really no big deal. We only used 3/4 of the runway with moderate braking. The hardest part was parking the big bird at LIH's double dog-leg gates! A great airplane and an even better location.



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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7507 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5680 times:

Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 4):
They will instead be operated by the ex-ATA 757's that have been in the DL fleet for years

I thought TZ's 752's were RR powered ??



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User currently offlineDeltaL1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9556 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5656 times:

Quoting United_Fan (Reply 23):
I thought TZ's 752's were RR powered ??

i was looking on Boeings web page and all i can find i ATA having RR powered 757s so does DL have 757s with RR in there fleet?



yep.
25 PanAm330 : Not a single one. Could these be the ex-SQ 757s? Did ATA get them before DL?
26 UA2162 : Just found out - AQ will handle all ground operations, including agents, at both LIH and KOA.
27 Beertrucker : Delta got 4 757-200's from ATA that were P&W. They were ships 6901-6904. They were also Delta's first planes with the good old magic carpet cargo hold
28 Bok269 : CO currently operates 2x daily IAH-HNL and 1x daily EWR-HNL (I would imagine this route is huge for them-many from the NYC area vacation in HI, and t
29 Dutchjet : CO discontinued service to Maui...the nonstop IAH-OGG flight was dropped as the 764ER was needed elsewhere. As an alternative, CO tried a IAH-LAX-OGG
30 SLCUT2777 : Most people in SLC are accustomed to 1-stop service to Hawaii typically via LAX, although more of them expect direct service to HNL. The outer island
31 LAXintl : Yes. ORD has a daily OGG & KOA flight, while DEN has OGG and KOA weekend service.
32 SLCUT2777 : No surprise here, UA is the undisputed leader in mainland-Hawaii service and has been for over 40 years. If DL starts playing their cards right, perh
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