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A-380 Visit To DFW Is Cancelled  
User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12146 posts, RR: 51
Posted (6 years 11 months 6 hours ago) and read 6803 times:

For some reason (unknown to me), the A-380 will not be visiting DFW in November, now. All I have heard is the visit is cancelled.

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User currently offlineDl767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 4 hours ago) and read 6586 times:

i never understood why it was visiting there anyways, its not like AA was going to order it, who would fly a A380 to DFW?

User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12146 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 6402 times:

Quoting Dl767captain (Reply 1):
i never understood why it was visiting there anyways, its not like AA was going to order it, who would fly a A380 to DFW?

LH and KE both have the A-380 on order, and they fly into DFW. That is not to say they will fly an A-380 into DFW, but I suppose they could. LH is planning to fly it into IAH. With T-Storm diverts, a LH A-380, bound for IAH could stop into DFW for fuel.


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6382 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 3 hours ago) and read 6376 times:

Quoting Dl767captain (Reply 1):
i never understood why it was visiting there anyways, its not like AA was going to order it, who would fly a A380 to DFW?

One will eventually end up there one of these days, anyway...either through diversion or someone chartering one, or even *GASP* some foreign carrier establishing an A380 route to/from DFW. Before you pooh-pooh that last idea, there were rumblings last week here on a.net that QF might be considering the A380 to DFW  eyebrow 



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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13111 posts, RR: 100
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6049 times:
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Quoting KELPkid (Reply 3):
Before you pooh-pooh that last idea, there were rumblings last week here on a.net that QF might be considering the A380 to DFW

Seems immensely logical to me. As LAX is my home airport, I am astounded how often I must hub via DFW, DEN, or ORD. Thus, a large fraction of the Oz traffic would be better served going through DFW. Maybe enough traffic for 7 to 14 weekly frequencies on the A380 (LAX's dominance of Oz traffic is only threated if QF moved over to SFO).


However, it will take a small increase in range for the A380.

SYD-DFW is 571nm longer than MEL-LAX. (7454nm vs. 6883nm per great circle mapper)

Why am I comparing two different origination cities from Oz? I'm trying to make the point that SYD-DFW might not be economical enough due to payload constraints on the first batch of A380's. However, once airbus finished substituting more Li-Al and GLARE into the A380... not to mention a few aerodynamic tweaks...

So I predict QF DFW service in about 2011.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineJTR From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 6030 times:

Well, now I have no excuse to skip contracts. Damn.

User currently offlineThomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3954 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5884 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
LH is planning to fly it into IAH. With T-Storm diverts, a LH A-380, bound for IAH could stop into DFW for fuel.

When did Lufthy announce that IAH was getting the 'Big Bus' ? Now we are supposedly being upgraded from the 346 to a 744 in the spring, but certainly no A380. If any carrier were to launch '380' service into IAH, I would wager that it would be EK, BA or AF and those are long shots at best.

Thomas



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User currently offlineNudelhirsch From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5849 times:

BA seems likely due to the OW partnership and the strong AA hub down there. Other than that, rather QF than LH. DFW is not that strong for LH, they'll send her to Asia and ORD, JFK and so first...


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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5685 times:

Once Leahy has sold his 800 A380 and half of them are delivered, even some of the airports in underpopulated deserts might see them, but I agree not much before that day, so no need to test today, and London, Frankfurt, Shanghai have to consider how to host 20 of them before.

User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1447 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5200 times:

Quoting Nudelhirsch (Reply 7):
BA seems likely due to the OW partnership and the strong AA hub down there.

They can barely fill a 772 to DFW so an A380 would be pushing it.



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User currently offlineWindstepper From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5069 times:

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 4):
I am astounded how often I must hub via DFW, DEN, or ORD.


Same here. I am not quite up to date on specs of A380; but I do dream of DFW-China. A CX A380 HKG-DFW???
I can at least dream right??


User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4844 times:

Maybe it is just a coincidence, but possibly they decided to send it to Orlando instead as it is due there in November as well.....

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4801 times:

Maybe Airbus finally figured it out that no U.S. carrier can afford to operate the A380??  duck 


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User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4747 times:

They will probably fly it around the massive Disney complex a couple of times and get some serious exposure....

User currently offlineStealthZ From Australia, joined Feb 2005, 5695 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4588 times:
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Possibly just a recognition of the fact that route proving and testing is done.
The flights to date have shown the thing works, shown the taxiway/runway data is valid. No need to fly somewhere to demonstrate that anymore.
The next big test is how it works in RPT mode and that starts Sunday 28th



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User currently offlineLifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1922 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4571 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 12):
Maybe Airbus finally figured it out that no U.S. carrier can afford to operate the A380??

Well, they give them away for free, so that should help a little!  duck  Big grin

Cheers!  wave 



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User currently offlineNwarooster From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1088 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4335 times:
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They are going to fly the A380 to MSP in November to try to peddle it to Northwest Airlines
Another Fat Chance.  old 


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4313 times:

Quoting Nwarooster (Reply 16):
They are going to fly the A380 to MSP in November to try to peddle it to Northwest Airlines

You serious??



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User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2879 times:

If any US carrier is going to buy the 380 it would be UA or NW as they are the only current 747-400 operators and have the slot limits vs. demand to Asia. Besides seeing UA or NW colors on the 380 would be sweet!

User currently offline777STL From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3642 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2864 times:

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):
For some reason (unknown to me), the A-380 will not be visiting DFW in November, now. All I have heard is the visit is cancelled.

In the first thread about this, I believe someone said the 380 was *never* coming to DFW in the first place. It was just a rumor that somehow got perpetuated into truth.

I think DFW's best chance at seeing a 380 is QF.



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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12146 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2773 times:

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 4):
So I predict QF DFW service in about 2011.

That would be great. Just in time for their new B-747-8i service.  bigthumbsup 

Quoting 777STL (Reply 19):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Thread starter):
For some reason (unknown to me), the A-380 will not be visiting DFW in November, now. All I have heard is the visit is cancelled.

In the first thread about this, I believe someone said the 380 was *never* coming to DFW in the first place. It was just a rumor that somehow got perpetuated into truth.

Correct. Airbus backed out of the DFW visit just last Friday.

Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 6):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 2):
LH is planning to fly it into IAH. With T-Storm diverts, a LH A-380, bound for IAH could stop into DFW for fuel.

When did Lufthy announce that IAH was getting the 'Big Bus' ?

That is what the LH people here at DFW have said. I hope we can get their B-747-8i here at DFW, we currently havean A-340-300 (sometimes an A-330-200), and use to get the B-747-200.


User currently offlineJr From United States of America, joined May 1999, 968 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2651 times:

Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 9):
Quoting Nudelhirsch (Reply 7):
BA seems likely due to the OW partnership and the strong AA hub down there.

They can barely fill a 772 to DFW so an A380 would be pushing it.

BA flying the super bus to DFW will have a decent chance of happening IF they can work out anti-trust issues over the atlantic and code-share and get AA feed on their DFW-LHR services.



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User currently offlineRyDawg82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 864 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2587 times:

Quoting 777STL (Reply 19):
In the first thread about this, I believe someone said the 380 was *never* coming to DFW in the first place. It was just a rumor that somehow got perpetuated into truth.

See reply 39 of the other thread before saying that the A380 was never actually going to visit DFW (I have X'd out the names and phone numbers. I am in no position to quote such an email -- however, since it was unfortunately posted in its entirety in reply 39....):

Quoting ZuluLima (Reply 39):
Quote:
From: XXXXXXXX
Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:42 PM
To: XXXXXXXX
Cc: XXXXXXXX
Subject: A380 is coming.....

Plans are being made for the arrival of one of Airbus's A380s at DFW on Monday, November 12th. Available information so far is:
Arrival from Montréal, Canada on Monday, November 12th
A380 will be parked on the Southwest Hold Pad, utilizing taxilane H1 and taxiway HS, as needed
A380 will depart sometime on Tuesday, November 13th back to Montreal, Canada.
Aircraft will be fueled while at the Southwest Hold Pad
Coordination underway for the use of two portable widebody stairs and three GPUs to support the A380 while it's parked
Escorts will be needed support the aircraft while it's here
More information will be forthcoming as plans are finalized for this special event.

XXXX
Manager, Airfield Compliance
DFW International Airport
(XXX) XXX-XXXX
(XXX) XXX-XXXX (fax)

A memo from DFW ops was sent to various operators on the field to provide the known information at the time. I would hope that Airfield Ops didn't just send out the mass communications to persons with a need to know, for no reason. While the A380 visit struck us as all odd, it would have been interesting.... Certainly not surprised the visit has been scrubbed however.
-R



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User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1694 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2569 times:

Is QF really considering DFW? That would be GREAT!


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User currently offlineGemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5659 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2467 times:

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 23):
Is QF really considering DFW? That would be GREAT!

QF is really, really considering DFW. But it HAS to be non stop from SYD (& ideally MEL too), what is holding them back is an aircraft with suitable range. Both the A380 & B787 will, more or less have the range.The distance SYD-DFW (tracking via SAN to avoid Mexican airspace) is 7453 nm.

Using the payload/range chart in the A380 Airport compatibility manual, the A380 will carry maximum pax and about 10,000 kg of freight. So in practise east bound should not be a problem, but you would probably loose the freight west bound. (The chart is based on typical international flight profile, ISA/NO Wind, 5% trip fuel allowance, 30 min holding, 200 nm diversion).

Using the payload/range chart posted by Wingedmigrator in these forums, the B788 will carry 224 pax and about 1800 kg of freight. So that should also be fine east bound, but will loose pax west bound. I would guess west bound about 190-200 pax and no freight.

Which one would QF choose to services DFW? Beats me! It would depend on the loads QF could expect. Given that the route would primarily be for connections at AAs mega hub, its really hard to say, but that about/just under 200 pax westbound for the B788 does not look good IMHO. I don't think you'll see anything happen untill 2010/0211 untill both A380 & B787 deliveries ramp up.

Gemuser



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25 Post contains images Lightsaber : I'd rather be in Orlando in November... not to mention MCO should be a Lufthansa A380 winter destination (eventually?). Could it be sooner rather tha
26 777STL : Alright whatever. I distinctly remember someone saying in the other thread that the 380 wasn't coming. I'm not going to waste my time searching for t
27 Post contains links Gemuser : Link: (warning-pdf) http://www.content.airbusworld.com/S...a/docs/AC/DATA_CONSULT/AC_A380.pdf West bound is of course the limiting case, but 10t of f
28 RyDawg82 : Right, so I posted the post from the other thread for you showing the internal email sent out from DFW outlining the A380 visit. Whether or not the A
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