Flying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4111 posts, RR: 39 Posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 8091 times:
Quote: Qatar Airways has again pushed back delivery of its first Airbus A380s and will place into service its first ultra-large-aircraft in 2012.
The airline's chief executive Akbar Al Baker says delivery of the first aircraft has been delayed from 2010 to 2012 because the carrier does not want take the aircraft at the same time as it moves to Doha's new international airport.
Probably a wise devision to de-connect these two events, plus it gives them another two years to grow traffic. Nice side-effect for Airbus: more slots available in 2010, either for new customers or for existing.
QatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1600 posts, RR: 7 Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 7776 times:
Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter): Probably a wise devision to de-connect these two events, plus it gives them another two years to grow traffic. Nice side-effect for Airbus: more slots available in 2010, either for new customers or for existing.
That is wierd. I worked in the new airport, and according to schedule, the NEW DOHA INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT is scheduled to be operation by the end of 2009/mid-2010... Defering the A380 delieveries to 2012 doesn't make sense--as the new Airport is designed and built using A380 specifications (both runways, and at least 6 gates in Phase One and Two, are designed to accomodate the A380.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26686 posts, RR: 83 Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 7716 times:
Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 1): Defering the A380 delieveries to 2012 doesn't make sense--as the new Airport is designed and built using A380 specifications (both runways, and at least 6 gates in Phase One and Two, are designed to accomodate the A380.
The issue does not appear to be that the new airport cannot take the A380, but that QR does not want to try and integrate A380 operations into their schedule as they shift their existing operations over to the new facility.
Dougbr2006 From Brazil, joined Oct 2006, 382 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7277 times:
I guess that's where EK will pick up the earlier deliveries that was rumoured last week. Good news for Airbus in some ways because it could help the A350 negotiations if it is true that they will benefit from these slots.
ScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6358 posts, RR: 34 Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7004 times:
Quoting Stitch (Reply 2): The issue does not appear to be that the new airport cannot take the A380, but that QR does not want to try and integrate A380 operations into their schedule as they shift their existing operations over to the new facility.
Well, I can see operational challenges at a new facility being an issue for a few weeks or months, but for two years? I simply do not see that as being the core issue, but rather window-dressing.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21026 posts, RR: 60 Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6965 times:
77QR delays delivery of A380s again due to no idea of how they will use them...
Seriously, when I heard they delayed the first time, it only made sense then as well because QR bought a plane they aren't big enough to need, in sort of a "me too" thing.
I wonder how many of the A350 and 787s and 777s will be deferred in the future?
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26686 posts, RR: 83 Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 6858 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6): I wonder how many of the A350 and 787s and 777s will be deferred in the future?
Well their first 777 is out at PAE right now. Looks pretty sharp.
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11358 posts, RR: 50 Reply 9, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 6709 times:
Quoting BoeingBoy (Reply 8): QR delayed because they realized they can't fill the seats they currently have - so why buy more ?
They just ordered more A380s. All the QR flights I've taken have been full, and their pax numbers show very strong growth. On what basis are you claiming they can't fill their planes?
BoeingBoy From Bouvet Island, joined Jul 2007, 149 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6434 times:
Quoting Scbriml (Reply 9): They just ordered more A380s. All the QR flights I've taken have been full, and their pax numbers show very strong growth. On what basis are you claiming they can't fill their planes?
Yes and what flights would they be ?. Perhaps as a chief test pilot, I would imagine all the seats in the cockpit would be full. Ever look in the back of the plane ?
The numerous long-haul and regional flights I've taken with them over the last 4 years. How many times have you flown QR?
You are welcome to offer any evidence you have to support your claim that they can't sell their seats.
Quoting BoeingBoy (Reply 11): Perhaps as a chief test pilot, I would imagine all the seats in the cockpit would be full. Ever look in the back of the plane ?
Singapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13711 posts, RR: 21 Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6050 times:
I don't care much for the argument but it is theoretically (and maybe probably actually) full or near-full load factors coupled with new physical capital (aircraft) that are also operating at full or near-full loads which allows for growth in terms of passenger numbers.
Scbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 11358 posts, RR: 50 Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6050 times:
Quoting BoeingBoy (Reply 14): Quoting Scbriml (Reply 9):
and their pax numbers show very strong growth.
Hmmmm - thought they were already full -
Even if every flight was full (which I never claimed, just the ones I have taken), fleet growth (as in more planes) would account for pax growth. It's easy to understand really.
Now, how many QR flights have you taken, and what's your evidence that they can't sell their seats?
BoeingBoy From Bouvet Island, joined Jul 2007, 149 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 5853 times:
Quoting Scbriml (Reply 17): Even if every flight was full (which I never claimed, just the ones I have taken), fleet growth (as in more planes) would account for pax growth. It's easy to understand really.
Qatar Airways carried 6.3 million passengers and will exceed 8 million during 2006-2007.
High load factors are not necessarily desirable - How much each passenger pays is also important.
In an environment where there is no-one to answer to - all figures and plans must be taken with the utmost skepticism (kids in a toy store).
8 million passengers is a drop in the bucket. Kinda like the 4 person family with 6 cars - the car is always full because they only use 1 at a time.
That guy got banned for making stupid/incorrect/racist comments. He got under my skin too but I just started ignoring his drivel.
Quoting Qantas787 (Reply 23): Apparently QR are full because of the numerous posters on here flying them regularly.
Hey I'm doing my part. 8 sectors this year and they don't even fly to Canada!
YOWza
12A whenever possible.
25 Bennett123: What impact will this have on the existing fleet?
26 David_itl: Let's look at a secondary airport as they might be more of a "struggle" to fill than a "major" airport serving a capital ciry: MAN. August 2007 = abo
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