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QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport  
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4150 posts, RR: 37
Posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 8954 times:

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Qatar Airways has again pushed back delivery of its first Airbus A380s and will place into service its first ultra-large-aircraft in 2012.

The airline's chief executive Akbar Al Baker says delivery of the first aircraft has been delayed from 2010 to 2012 because the carrier does not want take the aircraft at the same time as it moves to Doha's new international airport.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ays-pushes-back-a380s-to-2012.html

Probably a wise devision to de-connect these two events, plus it gives them another two years to grow traffic. Nice side-effect for Airbus: more slots available in 2010, either for new customers or for existing.


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User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1729 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8639 times:

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
Probably a wise devision to de-connect these two events, plus it gives them another two years to grow traffic. Nice side-effect for Airbus: more slots available in 2010, either for new customers or for existing.

That is wierd. I worked in the new airport, and according to schedule, the NEW DOHA INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT is scheduled to be operation by the end of 2009/mid-2010... Defering the A380 delieveries to 2012 doesn't make sense--as the new Airport is designed and built using A380 specifications (both runways, and at least 6 gates in Phase One and Two, are designed to accomodate the A380.



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29673 posts, RR: 84
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8579 times:
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Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 1):
Defering the A380 delieveries to 2012 doesn't make sense--as the new Airport is designed and built using A380 specifications (both runways, and at least 6 gates in Phase One and Two, are designed to accomodate the A380.

The issue does not appear to be that the new airport cannot take the A380, but that QR does not want to try and integrate A380 operations into their schedule as they shift their existing operations over to the new facility.


User currently offlineA380flyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8481 times:

Does this mean Virgin may now take these slots?

User currently offlineDougbr2006 From Brazil, joined Oct 2006, 391 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 8140 times:

I guess that's where EK will pick up the earlier deliveries that was rumoured last week. Good news for Airbus in some ways because it could help the A350 negotiations if it is true that they will benefit from these slots.

User currently onlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6575 posts, RR: 32
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7867 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
The issue does not appear to be that the new airport cannot take the A380, but that QR does not want to try and integrate A380 operations into their schedule as they shift their existing operations over to the new facility.

Well, I can see operational challenges at a new facility being an issue for a few weeks or months, but for two years? I simply do not see that as being the core issue, but rather window-dressing.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7828 times:

77QR delays delivery of A380s again due to no idea of how they will use them...  Wink

Seriously, when I heard they delayed the first time, it only made sense then as well because QR bought a plane they aren't big enough to need, in sort of a "me too" thing.

I wonder how many of the A350 and 787s and 777s will be deferred in the future?



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User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29673 posts, RR: 84
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 7721 times:
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 6):
I wonder how many of the A350 and 787s and 777s will be deferred in the future?

Well their first 777 is out at PAE right now. Looks pretty sharp.


User currently offlineBoeingBoy From Bouvet Island, joined Jul 2007, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7613 times:

QR delayed because they realized they can't fill the seats they currently have - so why buy more ?


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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12029 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7572 times:
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Quoting BoeingBoy (Reply 8):
QR delayed because they realized they can't fill the seats they currently have - so why buy more ?

They just ordered more A380s. All the QR flights I've taken have been full, and their pax numbers show very strong growth. On what basis are you claiming they can't fill their planes?



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7329 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7526 times:
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Quoting Scbriml (Reply 9):
On what basis are you claiming they can't fill their planes?

Presumably because they aren't American and they've not ordered the B748.


User currently offlineBoeingBoy From Bouvet Island, joined Jul 2007, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7297 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 9):
They just ordered more A380s. All the QR flights I've taken have been full, and their pax numbers show very strong growth. On what basis are you claiming they can't fill their planes?

Yes and what flights would they be ?. Perhaps as a chief test pilot, I would imagine all the seats in the cockpit would be full. Ever look in the back of the plane ?

QR needs A380's like sand needs water.



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12029 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7244 times:
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Quoting BoeingBoy (Reply 11):
Yes and what flights would they be ?.

The numerous long-haul and regional flights I've taken with them over the last 4 years. How many times have you flown QR?

You are welcome to offer any evidence you have to support your claim that they can't sell their seats.

Quoting BoeingBoy (Reply 11):
Perhaps as a chief test pilot, I would imagine all the seats in the cockpit would be full. Ever look in the back of the plane ?

Test pilots tend not to fly scheduled services. wink 



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User currently offlineBoeingBoy From Bouvet Island, joined Jul 2007, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7161 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 12):
Test pilots tend not to fly scheduled services.

Exactly



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User currently offlineBoeingBoy From Bouvet Island, joined Jul 2007, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7006 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 9):
and their pax numbers show very strong growth.

Hmmmm - thought they were already full -

Every statement you make contradicts the previous one.



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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13735 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6913 times:

I don't care much for the argument but it is theoretically (and maybe probably actually) full or near-full load factors coupled with new physical capital (aircraft) that are also operating at full or near-full loads which allows for growth in terms of passenger numbers.


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User currently offlineKlmcedric From Belgium, joined Dec 2003, 810 posts, RR: 22
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6913 times:

Quoting BoeingBoy (Reply 14):
Every statement you make contradicts the previous one.

As opposed to your statements who are a clear example of rational,proffesional and knowledgable piece
of opinion giving???

It seems you're only trying to convince yourself with that kind of trashtalk


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12029 posts, RR: 47
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6913 times:
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Quoting BoeingBoy (Reply 14):
Quoting Scbriml (Reply 9):
and their pax numbers show very strong growth.

Hmmmm - thought they were already full -

Even if every flight was full (which I never claimed, just the ones I have taken), fleet growth (as in more planes) would account for pax growth. It's easy to understand really.  wave 

Now, how many QR flights have you taken, and what's your evidence that they can't sell their seats?



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5318 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6884 times:

Every QR flight I've been on has been packed. I don't think filling seats will be an issue.

The current airport is seriously over extended. That place is a zoo.



What the...?
User currently offlineBoeingBoy From Bouvet Island, joined Jul 2007, 149 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6716 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 17):
Even if every flight was full (which I never claimed, just the ones I have taken), fleet growth (as in more planes) would account for pax growth. It's easy to understand really.

Qatar Airways carried 6.3 million passengers and will exceed 8 million during 2006-2007.
High load factors are not necessarily desirable - How much each passenger pays is also important.
In an environment where there is no-one to answer to - all figures and plans must be taken with the utmost skepticism (kids in a toy store).

8 million passengers is a drop in the bucket. Kinda like the 4 person family with 6 cars - the car is always full because they only use 1 at a time.



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12029 posts, RR: 47
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6636 times:
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Quoting BoeingBoy (Reply 19):
Qatar Airways carried 6.3 million passengers and will exceed 8 million during 2006-2007.

First you say they can't sell seats, now you're saying they have about 30% growth.  confused 

One of these accounts for why they have over 100 planes on order. wink 



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User currently offlinePohakuloa From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4968 times:

I think his quote says it all people:

"10% is the best we can do"

 laughing 



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User currently offlinePlaneHunter From Germany, joined Mar 2006, 6639 posts, RR: 78
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4824 times:

Quoting BoeingBoy (Reply 8):
QR delayed because they realized they can't fill the seats they currently have - so why buy more ?

So are you a QR insider? I guess not.  Yeah sure


PH



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User currently offlineQantas787 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4167 times:

Apparently QR are full because of the numerous posters on here flying them regularly. Smile

User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4845 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

Quoting PlaneHunter (Reply 22):
So are you a QR insider? I guess not.

That guy got banned for making stupid/incorrect/racist comments. He got under my skin too but I just started ignoring his drivel.

Quoting Qantas787 (Reply 23):
Apparently QR are full because of the numerous posters on here flying them regularly.

Hey I'm doing my part. 8 sectors this year and they don't even fly to Canada!

YOWza



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25 Bennett123 : What impact will this have on the existing fleet?
26 David_itl : Let's look at a secondary airport as they might be more of a "struggle" to fill than a "major" airport serving a capital ciry: MAN. August 2007 = abo
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