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Frontier - Excellent Quarter  
User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24641 posts, RR: 86
Posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3398 times:
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Frontier has just reported a profit of $17.3 million for the quarter - an excellent result.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm...icle/0,1299,DRMN_4_5731640,00.html

It is small fry compared with some of the legacy carriers, but Frontier is small fry compared with them.

It is a tough environment with $90 oil, and they are predicting a loss for the next Q. But this profit is more than double the analysts consensus estimates.

Mr. menke has also said that every route is being sternly examined for profitability, and that there are no "sacred cows". So I am expecting some adjustments to the route map.

And some surprises.

mariner


aeternum nauta
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User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2660 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3364 times:

A profit is a profit, no matter how big or small. Great job to the folks at F9! Hope to try your airline out someday!  Smile

User currently offlineFRNT787 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1315 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3296 times:

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 1):
A profit is a profit, no matter how big or small.


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I expect their profit to increase as they look harder into their route schedule to make it more profitable.

2008 Looks great with Lynx (hopefully) to get going full steam and first A320s.



"We have a right to fail, because failure makes us grow" --Glenn Beck
User currently offlineSampa737 From Brazil, joined May 2005, 637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3258 times:

Does anyone know how the new routes out of MEM are doing? Do you think Frontier will add more in the future?

User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3258 times:

F9 really needs to open up an east coast hub (or at least a focus city)...this would significantly open up more passengers in the east who need to stay east of Denver.


"Why does a slight tax increase cost you $200 and a substantial tax cut save you 30 cents?"
User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3216 times:

So what is the current fleet numbers looking like these days? How many of each Airbus model? Any new Airbuses coming online soon?
Good for Frontier. I hope they'll continue with their good fortune. Maybe someday I'll go back & work for them here in ANC seasonally.
Regards.



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User currently offlineYtib From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 559 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3148 times:

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 5):
So what is the current fleet numbers looking like these days? How many of each Airbus model? Any new Airbuses coming online soon?
Good for Frontier. I hope they'll continue with their good fortune. Maybe someday I'll go back & work for them here in ANC seasonally.
Regards.

Frontier
60 Aircraft Total for
- 49 A319
- 11 A318
- A320 start deliveries in FY08 Q4 (aka Feb 08) - total of 10 on order

Lynx
4 Aircraft delivered and sitting at BJC
6 more on order with 10 options

Frontier Express
- E170 by Republic
- CR7 by Horizon ending in Dec 07
- E145 by ExpressJet starting in Nov 07 for a few months to cover some of the routes due to the Lynx delay.


User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4947 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2972 times:

This is great news, and certainly needed cash. F9 has been very smart with their money, saving for rainy days. I too expected next quarter to be rough due to the startup of Lynx. Once Lynx gets flying, I expect positive results in a matter of months. I really admire how F9 has invested into its structure and future. I certainly miss Potter, and he has done many wonderful things for Frontier. I wish him the best of luck. I bet we see him back in the future.  Wink The airline industry is in his blood, and he will miss the Animals.

Quoting Mariner (Thread starter):
Mr. menke has also said that every route is being sternly examined for profitability, and that there are no "sacred cows". So I am expecting some adjustments to the route map.

And some surprises.

This is indeed music to my ears. I can vision a reduction in frequencies in markets that are not bringing in the cash flow. It would be nice to see them align more flights to the east coast, and perhaps add a few more routes out of MEM.



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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2886 times:

Being in the black, no matter how little, is certainly better than being in the red, no matter how much.


Ding! You are now free to keep supporting Frontier.
User currently offline747fan From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 1184 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 2883 times:

I believe DEN-SDF is doing well, given that the flight started out with 2X daily Republic E170's back in April, is currently an E170 and an A319, and will be 2 A319's next month. I'll have to find an excuse to get to Denver or somewhere else out wsest so I can try them out; my uncle flew them last month and said they were excellent.

User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4845 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2826 times:

Does F9 still have that codeshare deal with AirTran?

After they started that and you went to the F9 website and tried to make a reservation anywhere east of DEN, you were directed to AirTran's website. I noticed now it doesn't do that. You can book F9 to most any city they fly to.

I fly Frontier out of IAH. Their flights always seem to be packed. Based on my personal experience, I think that Frontier has some of the hardest working F/A's out there. There is always at least one in the aisle most of the time.



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User currently offlineYtib From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 559 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2820 times:

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 10):
Does F9 still have that codeshare deal with AirTran?

Technically it is not a codeshare but a marketing agreement. It is still in place as I just typed ATL-BOS on the website and it populated Boston for me even though they do not fly there and directed me to AirTran's website.


User currently offlineYtib From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 559 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2816 times:

Quoting Ytib (Reply 6):
Lynx
4 Aircraft delivered and sitting at BJC
6 more on order with 10 options

As I type this N505LX is over Michigan heading to MCI and then on to BJC. So the numbers will be 5 delivered and waiting , plus 5 more on order.


User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4845 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2754 times:

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 10):
It is still in place as I just typed ATL-BOS on the website and it populated Boston for me even though they do not fly there and directed me to AirTran's website.

But if you type in IAH-MDW, it'll now show you F9 flights where before it sent you to AirTran. Since F9 serves both cities, I'm glad to be able to take F9. Even changing at DEN the flights are much more comfortable than anyone else.



Fly North Central Airlines..The route of the Northliners!
User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24641 posts, RR: 86
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2660 times:
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Quoting F9Animal (Reply 7):
I can vision a reduction in frequencies in markets that are not bringing in the cash flow.

It may not be just a reduction in frequency, F9Animal. I think it is possible that they may drop a station or two.

In either case, I would expect some expansion in frequency at other stations. At the moment, Mr. Menke doesn't have many spare mainline aircraft to play with, despite the coming A320's.

But they are being tight-lipped - about everything - and I imagine Mr. Menke is going through it all with a fine tooth comb.

There still has been no decision yet on the hangar (DEN or COS?) and, publicly, they've gone quiet on the C gate expansion at DEN. I assume we will hear something soon.

Quoting Ytib (Reply 11):
Technically it is not a codeshare but a marketing agreement.

Correct, ytib. But they are discussing expanding it to a full codesare:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drm.../0,2777,DRMN_23912_5732395,00.html

"Executives from both sides have said they are discussing whether to expand that partnership."

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineTripleboom From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 278 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2633 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 15):
publicly, they've gone quiet on the C gate expansion at DEN. I assume we will hear something soon.

I just spoke with a couple of the MODs here in DEN and the C Concourse plans are still moving along.. looks like we could be looking at that as a a reality by the end of the year. Supposed to be "low-priority" flights, i.e. Mexico outbounds that require passengers be checked in plenty early anyway. Should be interesting (translate hectic) out there for the CSA and RSA sides of things, but I just got promoted just in time to beat the DEN winter blues! Cozy office with hot cocoa here I come!


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24641 posts, RR: 86
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2598 times:
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Quoting Tripleboom (Reply 16):
I just got promoted just in time to beat the DEN winter blues! Cozy office with hot cocoa here I come!

Congrats! Moving up the corporate ladder?  Smile

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineTripleboom From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 278 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2546 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 17):
Congrats! Moving up the corporate ladder?

lol.. trying.. moved into Central Reservations Control. Scary because I'll have to sign a sworn affadavit (or something like that) that says yes I will have FAR advanced knowledge of cities we will be announcing or discontinuing service to, but I will not be able to tell ANYONE. Not my wife, and certainly not my a.net addicts that would kill to have a spot like this in an airline. It'll be so cool to know, but it will kill me not to be able to tell anyone!


User currently offlineYtib From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 559 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 15):

In either case, I would expect some expansion in frequency at other stations. At the moment, Mr. Menke doesn't have many spare mainline aircraft to play with, despite the coming A320's.

I noticed last night there was an aircraft doing a DEN-BOI-FAT-DEN charter, the BOI-FAT being the 8xxx flight with the pax and also there was a DEN-BOS-DEN run as well bringing pax back to DEN for the world series. So there may be some aircraft, but charters especially this time of year bring in extra revenue.  Wink


User currently offlineRJNUT From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1193 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2527 times:

Quoting Tripleboom (Reply 15):
but I just got promoted just in time to beat the DEN winter blues

thats funny, but I have always found Denver exceptionally bright and sunny in the winter and sometimes quite warm,until then of course MArch and APril when real winter arrives!


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24641 posts, RR: 86
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2503 times:
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Quoting Ytib (Reply 18):
So there may be some aircraft, but charters especially this time of year bring in extra revenue.

Oh, always. Even so, the fleet is tight, and the only aircraft coming in are the 2 x A320, early next year. After that, there are scheduled until May (?) 2009.

Quoting Tripleboom (Reply 17):
it will kill me not to be able to tell anyone!

Of course, you may not know that there is an exception clause in the FAR agreement. You may not tell anyone - not even your wife - but you are allowed to tell mariner.  Smile

More seriously, Mr. Menke's line that "there are no sacred cows" seems to have thrown a cat among the pigeons (to mix an animal metaphor) among my chums.

They're all trying to guess which stations woud be considered "sacred cows".

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2498 times:

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 4):
F9 really needs to open up an east coast hub (or at least a focus city)...this would significantly open up more passengers in the east who need to stay east of Denver.

Not a good idea


F9 has proven itself not to be very successful on routes that are non-mexico and non-Denver.....F9 has an excelletn reputation in DEN and has an extensive small business program to get business travellers that arent part of big CVAs....they get premium farse out of DEN, sometimes even higher than UA...but they are unknown outside of DEN and would be a low yield trash carrier...remember when ML went to PHL in 1991???


User currently offlineTripleboom From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 278 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2488 times:

Quoting RJNUT (Reply 19):
exceptionally bright and sunny

Except for last winter.. even if it were perfect this year, I still don't feel much like working a bunch of flights on A25 with the north wind blowing unrestrained right in my face. There is not amount of layering that could keep me warm enough..


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24326 posts, RR: 47
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2340 times:

Aviation Daily had a lenghty write up. Some interesting pieces;

Quote:
Menke Starts Review Of Frontier's Strategy
10/29/2007

Frontier management, under the leadership of new CEO Sean Menke, has started a critical review of the airline's strategies covering deployment of the fleet and scrutiny of the use of technology - particularly the carrier's Web site.

Menke returned to Frontier in September after leaving the carrier in 2005 to take the executive VP and chief commercial officer post at Air Canada. Late last week, Menke outlined his review of the route network and technology approach to analysts and investors.

The CEO said that during the last couple of years he's dedicated a lot of time to the distribution area and has learned what customers are and are not willing to do. "If you find the appropriate piece that could be placed into the Frontier system, I believe there are additional dollars that could be driven that allow the consumer to actually have what they want and allow the airline to get additional revenue," he said. But Frontier's current technology provider likely will not "take us to the finish line," he added. The Web site is an area Frontier is "taking a hard look at," according to carrier CFO Paul Tate, who said, "Suffice to say right now we're disappointed;" more bookings are not being driven to the site.

Frontier executives are also "really digging into the routes," Menke said, to understand what is and is not working and redeploy the assets, if necessary, to ensure "we get the returns we need."

Full article (subscription required)
http://www.aviationnow.com/publicati...ts+Review+Of+Frontier%27s+Strategy

I wonder if Menke will pursue Air Canada's unbundling of services and piece meal pricing options at F9?



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User currently offlineKohflot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2317 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 20):
They're all trying to guess which stations woud be considered "sacred cows".

My guesses: DCA, LGA, and SNA. The slot-controlled airports that are supposed to have a pot of gold at the end of every runway.

It wouldn't surprise me if F9 is struggling with some of these cities yield-wise, as it's easy to imagine most of the clientele they're desiring are actually still with United or other carriers with F class, a global frequent flier program, and lounges.


25 Mariner : I don't have access to the yield on specific routes, but DCA would surprise me. Some months ago, Mr. Potter was asked what his three wishes would be,
26 Post contains images F9Animal : Hikes, who said F9 was cutting jobs? Your a little quick at the assumption. I think it would be wise to take a shot at more flights out of MEM. NW ha
27 Apodino : I am a bit confused. Frontier operates from the A concourse at DEN (or so I thought), and we are talking about a C Concourse expansion? If there is a
28 Mariner : Yes. But Continental would have to agree, and they haven't, not yet at least. Frontier took over all the UA/Ted gates on A. But they also advised DIA
29 Post contains images AirframeAS : Congrats to F9! Good job! I am very excited and looking forward to my very first trip ever on F9 on Nov 19th PHX-DEN! Mariner or F9Animal: With the A3
30 Mariner : I doubt it. The A318 is very useful to Frontier. It would also mean a fleet reduction. They have 11 x A318, but only 10 x A320 coming in. mariner
31 CarsAir04 : DCA & LGA are always full and usually produce a good yield. Even in the winter is can be hard to non-rev to these 2 cities. A lot of the Colorado cong
32 Type-Rated : I think that maybe a few tag on flights may work for F9. DEN-MDW-DCA might work, only ATA has nonstops MDW-DCA DEN-MEM-DCA or LGA may work. NW charges
33 PlanesNTrains : While I'm only going by what I've seen, it would seem F9 is already playing with fire at MEM, and I'm sure additional services will be met by the the
34 FRNT787 : Have flown twice on DFW-DEN-SNA and all of the DEN-SNA flights were full. The only problem was that it was summer and much of the traffic was the inf
35 F9Animal : I think the A320 will compliment the fleet nicely. It will offer more seats to the heavy routes like LAS and a few Mexico destinations. I doubt F9 wi
36 Mariner : Yes. But also "perhaps not". NWA went junior nuclear when Frontier announced MEM, and immediately added service on MEM-MCO and MEM-LAS, and changed M
37 F9Animal : Hey Mariner, what are your feelings on Lynx? There was just another gear collapse with SAS on the Q400. Do you think this might cause a further delay
38 Post contains links and images Mariner : And Qantas have just ordered 12 more plus 24 options. http://www.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idUSSYD14049820071022 I don't know what is happenin
39 AirframeAS : I swore I could have remembered a conversation with someone, I think it was F9Animal or Mariner or someone else that F9 could be phasing out the 18's
40 PlanesNTrains : Thank you for the analysis as always. In regards to a focus city, you have to worry - if that's the right word - after they pulled out of LAX, and ce
41 7E72004 : How are the IND flights doing? (Both the IND-DEN and IND-CUN?)
42 Post contains links and images Lrdc9 : Not for long, they are dropping sevice to DCA and LGA, not a god sign. At least as I understandi it, the charters are quite profitable. With ATA leav
43 Alias1024 : First, congrats to everyone at Frontier on a very good quarter!!! I think the Q400 is a very smart move for F9. In an era of high fuel prices, it is t
44 Post contains images FRNT787 : Perhaps you are thinking of their conversion of 8 A319 orders to 4 A318 orders and 4 A320 orders last year.
45 Post contains images F9Animal : It was not me!!! That has to be it.
46 Mariner : That possibility is certainly there. But they are "within perimeter" slots, so Frontier couldn't get them fror DEN, which is outside the perimeter. E
47 Post contains images AirframeAS : Yes, thats it! To quote: "Whoops, Pardon Me, My Bad!" ~Jack the Snowshoe Hare (N940FR) Yeah, yeah, yeah! I was looking for someone to blame! Now I ca
48 DenverDanny : Is Frontier competing at LAX to Mexico? Maybe that would be a good place to evaluate service. Doesn't Alaska operate from there as well? I say drop ou
49 KingCavalier : They have a daily flight to SJD, but I'd like to see some more Mexico service from LAX (maybe CUU and GDL).
50 LACA773 : How is SJC doing? I sure hope it's working well for them with their new flights to SJD and PVR. It would be nice to see F9 add more service from SJC,
51 KingCavalier : I believe SJC is doing well. F9 started flying the E170's from SJC to SJD on Thursday, October 25 with 4 weekly flights. This is up from Saturday onl
52 TSRA : I wonder if Lynx will go after any of the Q400s that SAS is getting rid of? Could it be possible for Lynx (assuming they get their certificate) to not
53 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : As much as the Q400 appears to be a generally good aircraft to have in a fleet, you'd have to wonder what the media would say if carrier X decided to
54 AirframeAS : AS has a HUGE prescense at LAX as a gateway to Mexico. They are doing so well!
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