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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2134 times:

With the addition of Bay Area/Central California Aviation Thread (by Copaair737 Oct 25 2007 in Civil Aviation) us in SoCal should not be left out. The cutoff point could be SBP. If you are SBP or north, you can belong to the "Northern California Thread", but south of SBP, you can post here.

The SBA-SMF/SAN service starts Veterans Day, and fares are $79.00 each way for most flights. Also, with the new annoucement for OO to retire some of the E120's, what do you think will happen to markets like SMX or OXR that only have 5 120 flights a day to one destination (LAX). If they pull out, those two example airports will not even have daily airline service. Or what about markets like SAN, SBA, and PSP; will the reduction in 120's mean reduction in frequency?

Could the reduction in 120's also mean mainline flights from ONT-SFO or ORD?

Any other topics welcome!


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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2129 times:

Nice to see there are now 2 California threads  Smile

I can't wait to see how the XJet service between SBA and SMF does, I think it will be a winner.

FAT-LGB will be good too.


User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2125 times:

Once the new terminal has been built at SBA, I can see some mainline service returning.


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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2114 times:

Is the new terminal going to replace or augment the current terminal? The current terminal is pretty unique.

User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 2099 times:

The new terminal will be at least twice as big and keep the current "old" style spanish design. It says the old terminal will remain open until the new one is ready to use.

http://future.flysba.com/



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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2023 times:

Also this:

http://www.flysba.com/?pageID=159&newsID=94



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User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1458 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1987 times:

How are the Horizon flights between LAX and Santa Rosa doing?

[Edited 2007-10-26 13:46:42]

User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1960 times:

Quoting DesertAir (Reply 6):

Pretty inexpensive at $69.89 each way. This is a kind of route that will either be a very strong full every flight or a flight that does very poor. Just depends on a lot of things.



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1938 times:

I'm pissed that Rialto is closing. There's not much there, but it's a largish airport, and great for multiple touch-and-goes.


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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1930 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 8):

How far is Miro from Palm Springs (I think Rialto is also called Miro field, if not har far is the actual Miro Field from Palm Springs)?



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1921 times:

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 9):
How far is Miro from Palm Springs

It's roughly 40 statute miles.

I did CCB-TRM for the long leg of my solo cross country in a 152, and that took me about 50 minutes.



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User currently offlineXJET From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 491 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1899 times:

I have been wondering the same things about the 120s going away. LAX-SNA, ONT, PSP, OXR, SAN, and BFL will probably be affected. I doubt that UA will keep up the current LAX-SAN schedule using RJs. Or are there going to still be enough 120s to keep all this?

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1885 times:

Quoting Boston92 (Thread starter):
what do you think will happen to markets like SMX or OXR that only have 5 120 flights a day to one destination (LAX). If they pull out, those two example airports will not even have daily airline service. Or what about markets like SAN, SBA, and PSP; will the reduction in 120's mean reduction in frequency?

What I can see happening is replacing Brasilias with CRJs to the bigger destinations and moving the remaining Brasilias to the smaller ones.

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 2):
Once the new terminal has been built at SBA, I can see some mainline service returning.

They don't need a new terminal to have mainline service. They just need carriers willing to do it.

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 3):
Is the new terminal going to replace or augment the current terminal? The current terminal is pretty unique.

AFAIK, the old terminal is a historical building and can't be demolished, so they may as well use it.

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 10):


I did CCB-TRM for the long leg of my solo cross country in a 152, and that took me about 50 minutes.

I don't think Cable will go anywhere.



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 1868 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
I don't think Cable will go anywhere.

Cable is one of the few airports where the city and surrounding communities actually want it to be there. Also, the cities of Upland and Claremont have made people sign waivers since around the mid 80's, IIRC.


There are a few NIMBY's in the area, but they only come out during the airshows.



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User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7510 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1834 times:

There seems to be alot of expansion going on at LAX. UA announced several new routes and increased frequency. DL is still trying to gain some sort of foothold there as well. Meanwhile AA is still maintaining its mainline presence there while doing away with alot of RJ and Sabb service. That reminds me: do any of you know how LAX-NRT/LHR preform for AA? They both face stiff compeition and I never hear much about them.

One thing that always comes to mind is how I wonder what airport is going to be the official relief for LAX. BUR is too small as is SNA (and both have NIMBY regulations), ONT suffers from a bad locale for people who want to come to most areas of LA. I always hear talk of how LAX needs to be relieved, but the question is: Which airport is best fit for it?



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5791 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1834 times:

Quoting XJET (Reply 11):
LAX-SNA, ONT, PSP, OXR, SAN, and BFL will probably be affected.

LAX-SNA and LAX-ONT are ending in January, whether it is connected to Brasilias leaving or not.



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User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1523 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1822 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 8):
I'm pissed that Rialto is closing

When is this happening? I lived seven years in Rialto. My older brother had flight training in High School at the airport. They use to have the same type of Grumman as George Bush flew back in WWII at the field. I use to stare through the fence at it as a kid.

Do you remember the episodes of Chips that were filmed there? Monster Garage filmed there also.


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5970 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

Quoting Ramprat74 (Reply 16):
When is this happening?

I'm not sure, but it's going to happen soon. Basically, the city of Rialto decided to do this because the FAA was going to come down on them pretty hard for using the airport for many, many ventures that made revenue for the city, including the aforementioned Monster Garage, and drag racing---or as the FAA calls it, non-aviation uses, which goes against the AIP funding.



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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1762 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
They don't need a new terminal to have mainline service. They just need carriers willing to do it.

I didn't say that. I specifically said "returning", and the new terminal (with boarding bridges and baggage carousals) will most likely help to the fact if SBA ever sees mainline service again.



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User currently offlineArcrftLvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1759 times:

Does anyone think there will ever be a major airline based (read = not hubbed) in LA? It seems that most major Cities, with the exception of Miami and Boston, have a 'hometown' airline. I would love to have a 'hometown' airline here in LA.

Damn, LA Xpress is already taken...


User currently offlineArcrftLvr From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1756 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 14):
Which airport is best fit for it?

Well, I think it would've been El Toro...


User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1700 times:

Quoting ArcrftLvr (Reply 19):

LAX does better as a focus city for multiple airlines than a huge base for one.



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