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UAL 747-400 Was At EWR Tonight - Anyone Know Why?  
User currently offlineGoBoeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2679 posts, RR: 14
Posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8704 times:

I saw a United 747-400 parked at UPS ramp at Newark this evening.

It later departed around 7PM. Anyone know where it went or who it was carrying?

I haven't seen any heavies from United at EWR recently at all.

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User currently offlineNwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8709 times:

Heavies? There are 757s (heavies) at EWR for UA daily. As to the 747....no clue...

User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8706 times:

Did the Giants go to London yet? Could this be their ride?

User currently offlineNorthwestEWR From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 410 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8688 times:

It's the Giant's ride to LHR : http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL9905


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User currently offlineSiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 384 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8695 times:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL9905

It was the Giants charter to London.

UAL 9905. EWR-LHR 744


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8690 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 2):
Did the Giants go to London yet? Could this be their ride?

This was the Giants charter to London. I'm surprised it was an early red-eye, but I guess they didn't want to lose a day, and their trainers determined that it was the best timing to deal with jetlag. The game will be a 1pm Eastern time game, so they may have decided just to never adjust to the time? Sleep in until 11AM every day London time, start the day then?



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8671 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 2):
Did the Giants go to London yet? Could this be their ride?

CO are the official airline of the Giants

Quoting Nwa747-400 (Reply 1):
There are 757s (heavies) at EWR for UA daily.

United's 757s are not heavy



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8648 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):

CO are the official airline of the Giants

And CO is extremely tight on widebody lift for such a journey (and has no 744's), as opposed to flying teams around domestically. As was already noted by numerous above you.. it was indeed the Giants' ride.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8605 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 7):

And CO is extremely tight on widebody lift for such a journey (and has no 744's

I find it interesting that United, also very tight on widebody lift, would be able to spare a 744 given the limited number in their fleet.



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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8581 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
CO are the official airline of the Giants

That may be true but the team flys UA exclusively.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8548 times:

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 9):
That may be true but the team flys UA exclusively.

The "official airline" of XYZ does not in any way mean that the actual entity must fly that airline. It only means that said airline paid XYZ money to be called "the official airline" of XYZ.

CO paid to put their name on Brendan Byrne arena as well as sponsor the Giants, but that's as far as it goes. The Giants charter what they think is best.

The official airline of Disney is (was?) Delta, but Disney execs routinely fly AA and UA because they are a 3 class carrier and it's in their contract to fly first class.



Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8534 times:

...and Southwest is the official airline of the entire NFL. I doubt many NFL teams are squeezing into a 73G.

User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 8510 times:

I understand perfectly how that works.

My response was in response to this:

Quote:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 2):
Did the Giants go to London yet? Could this be their ride?

Quoting N1120a (Reply 6):
CO are the official airline of the Giants

So it seems to me anyway from the reply by N1120A that he felt that the Giants should be on a CO aircraft, and I just merely pointed out that they do not fly CO.



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User currently offlinePlatinumfoota From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 554 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8499 times:
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Where does UA get their charter aircraft from? Do they decide not to fly a certain route on one day to use that aircraft for the charter?


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User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8421 times:

UA has the charter contract for the Giants, normally they use a 757, with 767-300ER on West Coast trips. The only other time I have seen a UA 747-400 associated with the Giants is when one operated the family/staff charter to Tampa for Super Bowl XXXV in January 2001 (the team flew the usual 75). The 747 was probably arranged for the trip not long after the NFL announced the Giants would be playing Miami in London, so UA obviously had ample time to adjust their schedule for one ship to operate a lucrative charter service for an NFL team. Furthermore, October is usually the slowest month in the industry, so I'm sure there is some excess capacity in the system such that running a 747 charter was not a difficult proposition.

The question is, will this aircraft remain at LHR until Sunday night after the game, when the Giants return home, or will it operate a revenue trip back to the States Friday, then return in time to haul the G-Men back to EWR? My guess is no, but it's certainly feasible.

UA was, up until this year, the official airline of the Giants. I don't know if the 'official airline' designation includes provisions for operating team charters, but this could be a case of UA just running out the rest of their contract with the Giants, and maybe CO will be contracted to run their charters in the future. CO does not do much NFL work (Tampa Bay and Houston are the only two I can think of offhand), so this could be a possibility.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7502 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8370 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
CO are the official airline of the Giants

These flights are paid for by the NFL, Miami always uses American, but for London they chartered a Northwest 747-200.



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User currently offlineTozairport From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 681 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8333 times:

We (UA) currently do all of the charter work for the Bears, Broncos, and Giants. We used to do the 49'ers, but then DL got them. They have sucked ever since. No coincidence.


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User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3049 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 8314 times:

Don't forget the Redskins  wink 

Quoting Tozairport (Reply 16):
They have sucked ever since. No coincidence.

 rotfl 



The good old days: Delta L-1011s at MSY
User currently offlineGoBoeing From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 2679 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7822 times:

Quoting Nwa747-400 (Reply 1):
Heavies? There are 757s (heavies) at EWR for UA daily. As to the 747....no clue...

Just to reiterate, the B-757-200 is not a heavy.

B-757-300 is.


User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1421 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7816 times:

Quoting GoBoeing (Reply 18):
Just to reiterate, the B-757-200 is not a heavy.

Off topic, but I thought the 752 could also be a heavy in certain configs that past the weight threshold of 255,000.???



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User currently offlineSNfreak From Belgium, joined Feb 2005, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7726 times:

Quoting GoBoeing (Reply 18):
Quoting Nwa747-400 (Reply 1):
Heavies? There are 757s (heavies) at EWR for UA daily. As to the 747....no clue...

Just to reiterate, the B-757-200 is not a heavy.

B-757-300 is.

If I remember correctly the 752 is also a heavy not because of the weight but because of the wake the wings create.
So in the flightplans it should be filled in H for heavy  Wink



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7696 times:

Quoting SNfreak (Reply 20):
If I remember correctly the 752 is also a heavy not because of the weight but because of the wake the wings create.
So in the flightplans it should be filled in H for heavy

I believe you are correct.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
CO are the official airline of the Giants

Means CO paid for that advertising right is all that means.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlinePope From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7461 times:

Quoting SNfreak (Reply 20):
If I remember correctly the 752 is also a heavy not because of the weight but because of the wake the wings create.
So in the flightplans it should be filled in H for heavy

I believe that both parties are correct here.

http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...ions/ATpubs/AIM/Chap7/aim0703.html

AIM 7-3-9a clearly states that a 757 is not a heavy (it terms it "a large non-heavy aircraft [i.e. a B757 aircraft]"). However, that being said, it treats a 757 as a heavy for all relevant purposes.

See the definition of AIRCRAFT CLASSES in the Pilot/Controller Glossary http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...ffic/publications/ATpubs/PCG/A.HTM


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 7424 times:

Quoting Platinumfoota (Reply 13):
Where does UA get their charter aircraft from? Do they decide not to fly a certain route on one day to use that aircraft for the charter?

From their reserve fleet.... UAL like all airlines have planes sitting on reserve. They just pull one from that pool.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):

CO are the official airline of the Giants

So what..? That's marketing. That's all about who pays the most to call them self ' The official airline of XYZ'
Craftsman is the official tool of NASCAR, but 99.9% of the mechanics and teams use Snap-On.

[Edited 2007-10-26 14:18:08]


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User currently offlineNjgtr82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 121 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7248 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 21):
Quoting SNfreak (Reply 20):
If I remember correctly the 752 is also a heavy not because of the weight but because of the wake the wings create.
So in the flightplans it should be filled in H for heavy

I believe you are correct

Incorrect, a 757-200 is not filed as or called a heavy. It is treated differently then large aircraft for wake turbulence purposes though. Here's some shots at EWR yesterday:

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/njgtr82/ua747ewr1.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/njgtr82/ua747ewr2.jpg

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i281/njgtr82/ua747ewr3.jpg


25 777gk : Gotta say, the new UAL colors look outstanding on the -400!
26 Xaapb : I'm not sure, and I maybe wrong, but I thought NWA retired the 747-200 not so long ago, did they left the 742 for charters, or did you mean a 744?? G
27 Post contains images Ikramerica : Well, yes and no. They pull one from the pool after planning for it to be available and in the right place. That means making sure it has it's mainte
28 Post contains links and images 71Zulu : Retired from scheduled service maybe but still have 2 747-200's for charter flying, N623US (old colors) & N624US (new livery). So far this season, th
29 UAXDXer : If you are implying that UA is better than CO.... last time I checked Continental does not do any NFL charters. Heavy is added to the end of a callsi
30 HPAEAA : not to be too nit picky, but if the MTOW is 255K and the Heavy Call Sign is only for A/C OVER 255K, then it would not qualify...
31 Jayspilot : 757-200's are in a class of their own. On the radio the controller will say you are following a 757-200. Spacing from a small plan goes as follows. 3
32 Post contains links 71Zulu : CO flys the Texans and the Buccaneers http://flightaware.com/live/flight/COA1917 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/COA1919
33 XAAPB : 71Zulu, Thanks for the Information! Greetings!
34 Xtoler : As far as chartering, don't forget, just because an airline advertises a certain team, doesn't mean they have aircraft available to do the flights. I
35 GoBoeing : This seems to be believed by many but is incorrect. Njgtr82 was right. If an airplane is certified for a maximum gross takeoff weight of more than 25
36 Tundra767 : The aircraft flew back to ORD as an extra segment. Will return back to LHR from ORD to pick them up. I don't have access at the moment but will look
37 Flyiguy : The flight will return fron LON and then ferry EWR to IAD as flight 9973 to turn to PEK the following afternoon...
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