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UA Swapping Aircraft Today - UA319 Is Now A TED?  
User currently offlineSFOFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 132 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3660 times:

I am on UA319 (IAD-SFO) this morning and was just told that they are going to swap the normal aircraft (A319) for a TED (A320). I have never heard of them doing it this way, only swapping out TED planes for UA mainline planes when they need one.

I was upgraded and I know it is not the end of the world, but what happens to all of those folks who paid for F class and not there is no F class on their flights. Obviously they will be refunded or compensated, but I would still be pissed.

I was hoping to kick back and relax, since I am coming off of 16 hours of flying from South America and all I want to do now is get back to SFO.

Hopefully the IFE will work on the TED plane, as the last 2 flights I have been on they have been inoperational!

I can't believe that a TED plane is the only replacement plane they could find in IAD and then flying it on a Trancon route??? Maybe they need it on the West Coast???

Does anyone at UA know why they would do this? Just wondering...


UA 1K Million Mile Flyer
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User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3648 times:

Quoting SFOFlyer (Thread starter):
Does anyone at UA know why they would do this? Just wondering...

it was probably a MX sub...so it was probably do this or cancel...I think a ted plane is better then no plane!  Smile

-m

 airplane 


User currently offlineSFOFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3634 times:

I totally agree with you!

I just have never heard of them swapping a TED for a mainline. A few times I have been put on a mainline jet when it was a TED flight.



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6014 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3586 times:

Quoting SFOFlyer (Reply 2):
A few times I have been put on a mainline jet when it was a TED flight.

I jumpsat on a mainline A319 that was supposed to be a TED A320. I barely got on that bird and snagged the secondary jumpseat in the cockpit. All in all, despite the less comfortable seat, the view is better.



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User currently offlinePHLwok From United States of America, joined May 2007, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3462 times:

Quoting SFOFlyer (Reply 2):
I just have never heard of them swapping a TED for a mainline. A few times I have been put on a mainline jet when it was a TED flight.

It's not rare, as you can see from the UA board on Flyertalk, but it doesn't happen every day. The worst one I had was an IAD-SFO a few years ago that went from a 777 to a Ted 320 due to maintenance. Still, it was better for UA to get some folks there on time rather than needing to rebook a full 777.


User currently offlineBuddys747 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 527 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3431 times:

Quoting SFOFlyer (Thread starter):
I have never heard of them doing it this way, only swapping out TED planes for UA mainline planes when they need one.

Its happened at MDT already, although I don't know if I consider it a downgrade. There were some Saturday night arrivals where the 733 was an A320, and sometimes a TED A320.


User currently offlineWarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3431 times:

Happens all the time.

TED A320's and Mainline A320's and A319's are substituted based on equipment availability.

Every once in awhile TED shows up on the DEN-BOS run, substituting for a mainline A320.


User currently offlineWindowSeat From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1312 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3182 times:

Quoting SFOFlyer (Thread starter):
I am coming off of 16 hours of flying from South America

from where? even SCL - IAD is not 16 hrs. Heck, SCL - CDG is not 16 hrs and it is the longest route in AF's long haul network. Unless of course you were going SCL-EZE-GIG-GRU-MIA-IAD or something like that...



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User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 3118 times:

Quoting WindowSeat (Reply 7):
from where? even SCL - IAD is not 16 hrs.

A holding pattern perhaps.  ashamed 


User currently offlineAussieItaliano From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3085 times:

Quoting WindowSeat (Reply 7):
from where?

He probably meant including the time to get from IAD-SFO.

That would sound about right if coming from Brazil or even Argentina on UA.



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User currently offlineWindowSeat From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1312 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3061 times:

Quoting AussieItaliano (Reply 9):
He probably meant including the time to get from IAD-SFO.

That would sound about right if coming from Brazil or even Argentina on UA.

Don't think that's true. What he said was...

Quoting SFOFlyer (Thread starter):
I was hoping to kick back and relax, since I am coming off of 16 hours of flying from South America and all I want to do now is get back to SFO.



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User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3031 times:

Even for those who paid for F, I think they'd generally prefer to get to their destination on the original schedule. One would also think that UA could keep the middle seat empty for those folks, no problem -- and even put an empty row between them so there's no one reclining into the more limited pitch.

Not perfect, and hopefully some other compensation, but way better than a 2 or 3 hour delay, I'd think.

Steve


User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 3009 times:

I have a question. For those passengers who paid for F, would they have the option of choosing the new flight and a refund or a different flight in F? I'd imagine that they probably would as paid-F fares tend to be flexible, but I wanted to find out for sure.

User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2902 times:

The same thing has happened to my ORD-BUF flight tomorrow. It has gone from a mainline A319 to a TED (i assume) A320 but is still showing the A319 seat map.

[Edited 2007-10-26 15:16:01]

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6763 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2892 times:

Yeap.. I've seen United do a TED switch at DCA. Not sure where it came from.. but I have seen it happen more than once...


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26442 posts, RR: 75
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 2874 times:

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 12):
I'd imagine that they probably would as paid-F fares tend to be flexible,

Every fare essentially becomes flexible once an airline caused delay happens.



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User currently offlineSFOFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2822 times:

Quoting WindowSeat (Reply 7):
from where? even SCL - IAD is not 16 hrs. Heck, SCL - CDG is not 16 hrs and it is the longest route in AF's long haul network. Unless of course you were going SCL-EZE-GIG-GRU-MIA-IAD or something like that...

Sorry WindowSeat, I meant total traveling time from when my flights were suppose to leave...

16 hours of traveling time from SCL to IAD:

2 hour delay of LAN Peru 428
2 hour flight from SCL-EZE (LAN Peru 428)
2 hour layover
10 hour flight from EZE-IAD (UA 846)

8 hours of traveling time from IAD-SFO

3 hour layover
5 hour flight from IAD-SFO (UA319)

I know is was a little round about getting from SCL-SFO but since I am close to my Million Miles on UA, I thought I would be worth the effrort...



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User currently offlineSFOFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2809 times:

The CSM in IAD told me that the sub was because of a wing to wing collision in ORD yesterday that messed up the schedule. Guess they had to move a bunch of planes around within the schedules...

http://www.faa.gov/data_statistics/a...reliminary_data/media/D_1025_N.txt



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User currently offlineSFOFlyer From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2789 times:

Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 12):
I have a question. For those passengers who paid for F, would they have the option of choosing the new flight and a refund or a different flight in F? I'd imagine that they probably would as paid-F fares tend to be flexible, but I wanted to find out for sure.

I overheard a UA CSM in SFO offering to refund the paid F class passengers. I was up in 'F' but upgraded using a systemwide from EZE-IAD-SFO. It wasn't that bad since gave all of us window and isles seats in rows 1 and 2 with no middle occupied. I was just glad to get home.

FYI, the next flight out of IAD was at 12:25pm (almost 3 hours later) and the 8:38am flight went out full (I was told).



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User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2769 times:

I'm thinking the number of narrowbody variations....Airbus' and Boeings.....must be an operational nightmare and added cost of for United. Their Boeings 737s have 104, 110 and 128 seats. Their Airbus' have 120, 136 and 156 (Ted) seats, with 8 first class in A319s and 12 in a320s. Equipment subs must be nightmare for CSRs on full flights.....especially a downsize. Southwest (WN) with a one size fits all strategy, seems a lot easier...and maybe even cheaper.

User currently offlineTu154 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 375 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 2755 times:

I have had this occure while I was working ORD-BOS. Mainline A320 was changed to a TED aircraft.

Even though it was a TED a/c, we were catered for a mainline A320, meaning f/c wine bottles, liquore etc. The f/c passangers were given y+ (we were not full) and the manifest noted who were f/c pax. While we didnt offer a meal, we did give them free wine/cocktails, which is what they wanted anyway.


Everybody was fine except for one middle aged couple who kept going on and on about having to sit in economy seats! (new money obviously)



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User currently offlineUSFlyer MSP From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 19):
Southwest (WN) with a one size fits all strategy, seems a lot easier...and maybe even cheaper

Even WN has two sizes of 737's: the 73G/733 and the 735.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2658 times:

PHX is a TED station. I have seen mainline aircraft still come here. So swapping a mainline aircraft for a TED aircraft happens, not daily but it happens alot.


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User currently offlineUnitedTristar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2648 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 22):
PHX is a TED station. I have seen mainline aircraft still come here. So swapping a mainline aircraft for a TED aircraft happens, not daily but it happens alot.

PHX still has mainline to IAD

-m

 airplane 


User currently offlineORD2PHL From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 2600 times:

Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 19):
I'm thinking the number of narrowbody variations....Airbus' and Boeings.....must be an operational nightmare and added cost of for United. Their Boeings 737s have 104, 110 and 128 seats. Their Airbus' have 120, 136 and 156 (Ted) seats, with 8 first class in A319s and 12 in a320s. Equipment subs must be nightmare for CSRs on full flights.....especially a downsize. Southwest (WN) with a one size fits all strategy, seems a lot easier...and maybe even cheaper.

It has been rumored that UA was going to adjust the number of F seats on the 319's to mirror the 320 in order to ease the pain of F passengers during equipment subs.

ORD2PHL


25 AirframeAS : Really? I didn't know that. Their ticket counter has full TED signage.
26 Super80DFW : A319 has 120 seats. Ted A32S has 156 seats. So someone didn't get the first class they payed for. I'm sure they got EconomyPlus and were compensated.
27 Earlj : Ted vs. mainline UA flies LAS to IAD daily. Really not too bad. IFE and more bathrooms on board as compared to its LCC competitor. Good seat pitch. an
28 7E72004 : I haven't heard much about Ted lately, or for a long time for that matter. How are they doing? I for some reason thought that United "folded" Ted.
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