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Rarebird -- MD-11 Pax?  
User currently offlineSRT75 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 261 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5121 times:

I was wondering if anyone has a list of carriers that currently have scheduled MD-11 passenger service?

All that comes to mind for me is:
KLM
Finnair(?)

I was also wondering who are the former pax operators who no longer fly the MD-11?
Delta
Varig
Swiss
Luftansa???
Others???

I've never been on a MD-11, and I doubt I ever will. Having flown tons of NW DC-10s, I would love to experience the "new and improved" version.

Will the MD-11 become like the 747SP, a rare bird that true enthusiasts go out of their way to fly on some obscure airline?

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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11979 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5118 times:

AA at one time flew up to 19 MD11s. They original had orders + options on up to about 50 aircraft, but stopped at 15 once they got the planes and were unhappy with the performance.

User currently offlineAcelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 857 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5088 times:

Had a nice flight on a KLM one AMS-SFO Feb this year. Great. In the past have flown China Airlines
Japan Airlines and Delta ones....

Martinair did use the MD11 on passinger flight poss only charter but may have them all as cargo now?
Nice plane, just getting harder to fly on....



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7816 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5047 times:

I think that LH only ever used them for cargo.

User currently offlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 40076 posts, RR: 74
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5048 times:

Quoting SRT75 (Thread starter):
I would love to experience the "new and improved" version.

I see you live in Los Angeles.
During low season, KLM uses their MD-11 here to San Francisco.
Fly up here to SFO and fly KLM to visit Amsterdam and I am sure you'd have a wonderful time in Amsterdam once you get there.  Wink
As of right now, we get the 747-400 as you already get year around in Los Angeles.



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 6095 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5037 times:

Others were:

JAL
Korean Air
China Eastern
EVA ???
Malaysia Airlines
Garuda
Thai
Air Namibia
Martinair - still flying some Combi
Swiss International
Alitalia
LTU
World Airways
American

[Edited 2007-10-26 08:50:53]

[Edited 2007-10-26 08:51:48]

User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4993 times:

STR, Finnair is getting rid of theirs soon. TAM seem to fly them as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MD-11

[Edited 2007-10-26 08:55:29]

User currently offlineSK601 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 976 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4982 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 5):
Martinair - still flying some Combi

all MP pax flights are with B767 (and until 31 Oct. A320). MP MD11s are used for cargo only.

Kl will continue to fly the MD11 with pax until apr. 2012


User currently offlineSeabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5854 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4969 times:

TAM and World also still fly scheduled service with the MD-11. (World operates SonAir's Houston-Luanda Express.)

My one MD-11 experience was LAX-HEL-LAX on Finnair in 1991, shortly after the type's introduction into service.

Beautiful birds, and the takeoff performance is astonishing, but they were obsolete the second the 777-200ER came into service. It has better payload capacity, fuel efficiency, and range. The A340-300, although it lacks the ultimate payload capacity of the MD-11, is also more efficient on many missions.


User currently offlineBananaBoY From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4960 times:

Photo DB also has TAM.

Mark



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User currently offlineFalstaff From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 6177 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4904 times:
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Quoting 777way (Reply 5):
World Airways

I thought World still flew the MD-11



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 6095 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4885 times:

Some more former operaters:

Philippine Airlines
Ghana Airways
Vasp

Quoting SK601 (Reply 7):
all MP pax flights are with B767 (and until 31 Oct. A320). MP MD11s are used for cargo only.

Their website says they operate combis.


User currently offline71Zulu From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4843 times:

Quoting Falstaff (Reply 10):
I thought World still flew the MD-11

They do and did a fly-by at the Great Georgia Air Show 2 weeks ago...






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User currently offlineB747-4U3 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4810 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 5):
EVA ???

EVA had both passenger and cargo MD11s. They have now all been converted to cargo only.


User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4764 times:

Quoting 777way (Reply 11):
Quoting SK601 (Reply 7):all MP pax flights are with B767 (and until 31 Oct. A320). MP MD11s are used for cargo only.
Their website says they operate combis.

Unlike AZ, these are no MD-11s Combi but Convertible Freighter. These four are now since about two years operated for cargo only. Here they are. Even PH-MCP obviously carry cargo.


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Quoting Falstaff (Reply 10):
I thought World still flew the MD-11

Yes they do. 6 MD-11s and 2 MD-11ERs.


User currently offlineHalophila From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 646 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4655 times:

Don't forget US-Africa Airways operating IAD-JNB via SID... I think!


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User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4470 times:

Quoting Halophila (Reply 15):
Don't forget US-Africa Airways operating IAD-JNB via SID... I think!

Not forgotten (see Wiki direct link to former operators), and you're correct about SID.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MD-11#Former_operators


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User currently offlineTeme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1649 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 3 days ago) and read 4320 times:
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Just note AY is still flying with MD-11 but they are being replaced with A340-300 and A330-300.


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User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2400 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4184 times:

Citybird was one of the last to order new MD-11 pax aircraft in '95 and '96. It's too bad they could not order enough to keep the line going before going bankrupt themselves. Also, SN used them for a few years in the late 90's although they may have been leased from H2, I forget. LY leased an -ER from WO to fly the TEL-LAX route, one of the longer MD-11 pax routes flown.

Quoting SRT75 (Thread starter):
I would love to experience the "new and improved" version.

As Superfly said, since you are near SFO, flying KL would be a great choice. I am planning JFK-HEL on AY before they are replaced on this route.

Quoting SK601 (Reply 7):
Kl will continue to fly the MD11 with pax until apr. 2012

First to leave the fleet in 2012, the last in 2015.

Quoting Seabosdca (Reply 8):
they were obsolete the second the 777-200ER came into service. It has better payload capacity, fuel efficiency, and range.

True, but the payload difference is marginal. Hence the success as a freighter.

Quoting 71Zulu (Reply 12):
They do and did a fly-by at the Great Georgia Air Show 2 weeks ago...

This classic livery is much better, is it permanent? Thanks for sharing.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 26021 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4162 times:

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 18):
Also, SN used them for a few years in the late 90's although they may have been leased from H2, I forget.

Yes the MD-11s in Sabena livery were CityBird aircraft. I think they had CityBird pilots and SN cabin crews. I recall a couple of very nice flights in business class on those aircraft BRU-YUL.

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 3):
I think that LH only ever used them for cargo.

Correct. The MD-11F is the only type in LH Cargo's fleet if not mistaken. I think they have 19.


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 6095 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3853 times:

Also add:

China Airlines
El Al
Aer Lingus


User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3475 times:

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 18):
Citybird was one of the last to order new MD-11 pax aircraft in '95 and '96. It's too bad they could not order enough to keep the line going before going bankrupt themselves.

In 1997 or 1998, H2 intended to order two MD-11Fs, that could have been used to replace the Gemini DC-10s flying for SR, but in the end, in 1999, H2 took the two white tail A300C4-605R ordered by KU but never delivered and stored at TLS since 1995-1996.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 18):
Also, SN used them for a few years in the late 90's although they may have been leased from H2, I forget.

These two were delivered new in SN colors back in April 1998 (OO-CTS) and month later (OO-CTC) and remained with SN until the abrupt end of the contract in February 2001. At first they were used on flights to YUL, GRU, EWR, JNB and NBO, but later all this changed and one aircraft used to JNB, while the other operated the BRU-BKO-CKY-BRU route. OO-CTS was a PW-powered MD-11 while OO-CTC had GE engines....  boggled 

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 19):
The MD-11F is the only type in LH Cargo's fleet if not mistaken. I think they have 19.

Indeed, 14 new (including the last 8 MD-11 produced), and 5 second hand MD-11 PAX converted to freighter.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3393 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 19):
The MD-11F is the only type in LH Cargo's fleet if not mistaken. I think they have 19.

Correct, LH has 19 MD11F.

I would love to get on a MD-11. Hopefully I will do it before KL retire their MD-11s.

When will the last MD-11 in AY´s colour fly?? Is it in 2011???



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17148 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3310 times:

Here is a list with all Airlines that operates the MD-11

FedEx 58 MD-11s active

UPS 34 MD-11s active

Lufthansa 19 MD-11s active

World Airways 14 MD-11s active

KLM 10 MD-11s active

EVA Air 9 MD-11s active

Finnair 7 MD-11s active

Martinair 7 MD-11s active

China Cargo Airlines 6 MD-11s active

Alitalia 5 MD-11s active

Germini Air Cargo 4 MD-11s active

Saudi Arabian Airlines 4 MD-11s active

TransMile 4 MD-11s active

Shanghai Airlines 3 MD-11s active

TAM 3 MD-11s active

Saudi Arabian Gvmt 2 MD-11s active

Varig Logistica 2 MD-11s active.


Hope this list will help you.

[Edited 2007-10-27 08:27:07]


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User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3268 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 23):
Varig 2 MD-11s active.

It's Varig Logistica (Varig Log).


25 B747forever : That is true. Will change it.
26 FlagshipAZ : B747Forever...great list you provided on Reply 23. But I'm wondering if you can account for 4 missing MD-11s. Your list totals 191 airframes when I kn
27 Post contains links and images Andaman : The first AY's MD11 will go 2008, the last one March? 2010. My MD-11 flights, all on AY: 3x HEL-BKK return 1x HEL-STN return, in 1990s AY used MD11 f
28 OceansWorld : Three are now stored in Italy and intended to be converted to freighter for Aeroflot Cargo, including the one that has had a landing incident last at
29 FlagshipAZ : Thanks OceansWorld. I can always count on you for such fleet numbers and info. Regards
30 B747forever : It is 4 that are stored in Italy as OceansWorld says. It was a total of 200 build MD-11s and 191 is still active.
31 OceansWorld : I don't think so. Well UPS doesn't use 34 MD-11Fs at the moment. 30 are active indeed, three are stored at ROS before the freighter conversion as wel
32 B747forever : They are there at the moment, right ???
33 OceansWorld : Yes they are in Italy, but what I meant in my not clear enough answer was that only three are in Italy, not four.
34 AGRflyer : I flew LAX-ZRH on SR back in 1998 as well as ZRH - ORD in 2001 shortly before they went bust. I also had flights with MD11 of AY on the route HEL-BKK-
35 B747forever : Okey, I see. My fault. Sorry.
36 RoseFlyer : I think the MD11 will be removed from passenger service way faster than the 747SP was. The main reason is that it is in high demand as a freighter. S
37 Vald : The Aer lingus bird, was a World Airways aircraft & only flew for a summer. Its was one of the nicest colour schemes on a MD11 though
38 OceansWorld : So ? Over the years at least ten airlines have used MD-11P leased from World Airways. N272WA has flown for EI during the summers of 1998, 1999, 2000
39 Post contains images BSBIsland : MD-11s used to be so popular in Brazil with Varig and Vasp (and now TAM) flying them. I have flown many domestic flights on MD-11s through the years w
40 TrijetsRMissed : That's kind of odd, what was the reason? By then it was well known the PW powered airframes were more fuel efficient.
41 OceansWorld : Yes indeed, and PT-MSJ of JJ is perhaps unique in its kind, as it has only been operated by Brazilian airlines to date. VASP, VARIG and now TAM. I do
42 CV990 : Hi! I flew once in the MD11 and the way I flew makes me one of the most luckiest guy in this earth!!! After flying many other airplanes when I finally
43 Vald : your right, i stand corrected
44 Lexy : I love that livery. Thanks for the quality pics!
45 Finnaviation : And these two great birds will fly about two years more for Finnair and then it is time to say good bye... ex OO-CTB as OH-LGF ex OO-CTC as OH-LGE (l
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