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EK Cabin Crew Rest And Safety On Long Haul  
User currently offlineAirbus1 From United Arab Emirates, joined Feb 2001, 88 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 14088 times:

There seems to be a new rule on EK in respect of cabin crew rest periods on long haul flights where there are no crew bunks.

EK, unlike most carriers, has the greatest number of its flights taking off or arriving through the night. There are some long haul flights that are flown by 777s without crew bunk facilities; probably the longest of these is the 12 hour haul to Perth.

Apparently EK's cabin crew are now advised that they may continue to have a rest period during the flight if there are seats available or blocked off at the back of the plane but they may not fall asleep and they may not use the headphone to watch tv.

This new "policy" seems to have started after an Skywards gold member (downgraded to EY on a Perth flight and already upset) saw crew sleeping at the rear of the plane in the middle of the night, took pictures, and sent the pictures and a complaint to the airline's Chairman. Apparently the crew concerned and the flight purser have been terminated - which seems like a massive over reaction.

I rather like the idea that the crew can rest and get a little sleep mid flight. They rest in shifts. The cabin is always staffed - and it is less likely then that the crew will be sleeping in their jump seats during, from a safety perspective, the most critical part of the flight - landing the plane.

Surely it is a better policy to say that crew should be entitled to rest where there is opportunity to do so and where safety and cabin service are not compromised.

Anyone heard anything more about the new "rest rules" at EK?

Airbus1

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User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6533 posts, RR: 55
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 13977 times:

I am surprised there are not laws in the UAE governing cabin crew rest requirements. Operating a 12 hour flight without crew rest facilities I don't think would be allowed in my airline. Then again with EK expanding so fast, getting crew numbers is a problem and thus I am sure that the airline writes the laws in the country and does what it pleases anyway.

User currently offlineXtoler From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 952 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 13873 times:

Those panty waists! I just pulled 17 hours and two 12 hour shifts back to back. Then again, I'm no longer flying, and this is the only time of year I get overtime. You have got to be kidding me right? This has to be an exaggeration. 12 straight hours without a rest is not only careless, but unsafe. As an F/A I may be out and about for 6 legs flying up and down the east coast of the US, but there are breaks in between. Without a little break and some time off the feet, someone can get really tired, not alert, and that could hurt the pax. Not just F/A's need a break, but think of the pilots. Pilots aren't on their feet, but you try sitting in one place for 12 hours and not be allowed to take a nap or at least get out and stretch. Then again, we're just here to serve you drinks, how hard is that for 12 hours, when you have some rich bitch in her seat getting hosed on $5 drinks. There are all sorts of inconsiderate people. I just think if this person actually complained, he's one og those people who do nothing but complain.


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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2226 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 13860 times:

Quoting Airbus1 (Thread starter):
This new "policy" seems to have started after an Skywards gold member (downgraded to EY on a Perth flight and already upset) saw crew sleeping at the rear of the plane in the middle of the night, took pictures, and sent the pictures and a complaint to the airline's Chairman. Apparently the crew concerned and the flight purser have been terminated - which seems like a massive over reaction.

I just "love" these FF wan*ers who act as if they own the plane and that the airline owes them everything. Saying that however, your story does not make alot of sense - the crew were also in economy (rear of the cabin), so what's his problem? Is it because they were sleeping and not just "resting"?

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 1):
I am surprised there are not laws in the UAE governing cabin crew rest requirements

I am sure there are.

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 1):
I am sure that the airline writes the laws in the country and does what it pleases anyway.

A bit harsh, but I know alot of people would agree with you.



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 13708 times:
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Welcome to the F/A Slave Airlines.
This story just tells how F/As are treated in that part of the world.
Don't be astonished to see a slump in EK's service standards.
There are more and more complaints coming from crews working there.


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User currently offlineLMML 14/32 From Malta, joined Jan 2001, 2565 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 13625 times:

[quote=Airbus1,reply=0]This new "policy" seems to have started after an Skywards gold member (downgraded to EY on a Perth flight and already upset)[/quote

This is the real reason why this incident happenned. And, of course, the airline overreacted. But then again that's EK's and all other eastern airlines mentality.


User currently offlineFlyEmirates From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 13442 times:

PER used to be A343 and 2 seats were hardblocked now 4 seats are hard blocked for 16 odd crew- meaning for crew rest, why shouldnt they be able to close their eyes and get some rest? because this is a day flight, therefore no headphones, eye shades, or blankets, sit down in the seat and shut up, but dont sleep.

If EK doesnt want PAX to see crew sleeping then,why dont they install a bunks or a curtain like ive seen on AZ, they did mention it in a memo, but the curtain has never come to fruition a year later.

Any decent airline would schedule the aircraft with bunks which is 7 or 8 aircraft away from LHR,CDG,HAM,BOM etc onto a route which NEEDS them. PER doesnt need bunks as its ONLY 11/12 Hours.

Ive even had to do JFK-DXB on EBG which has no bunks, JFK station was not aware it didnt have bunks, whilst our original A/C was tech, other suitable bunk equiped aircraft , numbering 5 left for CAI, LHR, BOM - EBG was 'spare'.

I think its such a shame the company has such a negative view on crew rest. There appears to be too many indians holed up little offices bean counting. Theres no point having these 3 'best in the world' training colleges' if the crew are too tired to remeber what they have learnt. EK is a very greedy airline, for those that havent seen the density of the cabins, 400/42 on a 77W is pretty much pushing it, not to mention the lack of crew, which sometimes leaves the J class service running for over 3 hours.

The issue of crew rest by EK is viewed as a loss of productivity, not a safety issue, this has been strengthened by a few recent incidents like PER - makes me sad really.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 13248 times:

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 1):
thus I am sure that the airline writes the laws in the country and does what it pleases anyway.

.....if it was an "internal" flight they can possibly (but not probably) get away with that, however since its an international flight, it will have to follow many rules, regulations and recommendations of various international bodies/organisations....



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User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2226 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13138 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 7):
.....if it was an "internal" flight they can possibly (but not probably) get away with that, however since its an international flight, it will have to follow many rules, regulations and recommendations of various international bodies/organisations....

I hear you, but the Middle Eastern carriers seem to be in a world of their own... often immune - to basic principles of economics, conflicts, gas prices and even laws in certain cases. These carriers have raised too-many "eyebrows" in recent years, so many people do not believe or trust them. Take it as you may, but people almost gasp and "feed" on even the smallest fiascos coming out of these airlines...

Whether due to success, envy, purchasing power, growth or employee treatment, I'm sure their PR depts. are working overtime, 24/7. Probably getting a fat salary for it as well... Big grin



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User currently offlineDz09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 12930 times:

Quoting Airbus1 (Thread starter):
a complaint to the airline's Chairman.

How does one get in touch with Ek Chairman. I have just returned from the middle east flying with EK and I think Mr. Clark needs to know about the damage his Station Manager in Dammam is doing to the reputation of Emirates.


User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12420 posts, RR: 100
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12775 times:
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Quoting Airbus1 (Thread starter):

Anyone heard anything more about the new "rest rules" at EK?

I'm confused by these rules. EK has made a point in dividing sub 11 hour flights and more than 11 hour flights.

So this poses a question. Are the new 77W's being ordered with all the crew rest areas? IMHO, standardizing on this fleetwide only makes sense.

Lightsaber



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User currently offlineDZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12757 times:

Quoting FlyEmirates (Reply 6):
for those that havent seen the density of the cabins, 400/42 on a 77W is pretty much pushing it

I was wondering about that. It seems that an EK 777 (300ER) can hold a lot more people than say a CO or KLM 777.


User currently offlineAirbus1 From United Arab Emirates, joined Feb 2001, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12413 times:

FlyEmirates is right. This appears to be all about image rather than safety. Though hard to describe Perth as a day flight - the first takes off at 2.45am (tough after a midnight pickup) and the mid morning flight does not arrive until 1.00am.

The 10 across 777 seating appears to only be used by Emirates and the 77W when full is a crush. How the crew get their carts down the aisles is a mystery. Hard to imagine that Ek gets almost as many pax on the 777W as SQ is fitting onto its A380 (471 pax).

Airbus1


User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5225 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12350 times:

Quoting FlyEmirates (Reply 6):
If EK doesnt want PAX to see crew sleeping then,why dont they install a bunks or a curtain like ive seen on AZ

DL does the exact same thing by curtaining off 4 seats in the rear of its 763ER's on Intercontinental flights and it seems to work just fine.



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User currently offlineBofredrik From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11562 times:

I can imagine that there is no trade unions in Dubai for EK:s cabin crew
+ that this country is non democratic can be the answer to the question
"why" they behave like this to its staff. It was a CBS 60 Min report from
Dubai on TV a few days ago and the development of the country is amazing
but nobody asked the His Highness Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al
Maktoum about labour regulations etc.
http://www.sheikhmohammed.co.ae/

[Edited 2007-10-27 15:40:13]

User currently offlineA380BWI From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11336 times:

I haven't read all the comments except the first thread but now i am concerned as i am planing to get a job with EK as a flight atttendant. If this is what their policy is about not allowing the cabin crew to take rest on the long haul flights then i am not really so sure about the whole idea of going and getting a job with EK.

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11092 times:

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 8):
I hear you, but the Middle Eastern carriers seem to be in a world of their own... often immune - to basic principles of economics, conflicts, gas prices and even laws in certain cases. These carriers have raised too-many "eyebrows" in recent years, so many people do not believe or trust them. Take it as you may, but people almost gasp and "feed" on even the smallest fiascos coming out of these airlines...

..I do not believe that is the case regarding being "in a world of their own"..in fact, if there are any kind of carriers more open to various nationalities, it is those of the Middle Eastern carriers....the vast majority of their customers aren't even Middle Eastern..but rather Asian, African, Australian and European..

Quoting JoKeR (Reply 8):

Whether due to success, envy, purchasing power, growth or employee treatment, I'm sure their PR depts. are working overtime, 24/7. Probably getting a fat salary for it as well...

...would be be complaining if you were one of those on a fat salary...

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 11):

I was wondering about that. It seems that an EK 777 (300ER) can hold a lot more people than say a CO or KLM 777.

...not only are EK's B773ER's 10-across but EK's B772's also are 10 across and hold more than say CO and KL's B772ER's...

Quoting Airbus1 (Reply 12):
Hard to imagine that Ek gets almost as many pax on the 777W as SQ is fitting onto its A380 (471 pax).

.....lowers the CASM quite considerably.....

Quoting Airbus1 (Reply 12):
The 10 across 777 seating appears to only be used by Emirates

....TG have it on certain B772's also CZ have 10 across on their B772's as well...not to mention, if I'm not mistaken, KL will be going 10-across on their B773ER's also (but I'm not completely certain about that. )

Quoting Airbus1 (Reply 12):
the 77W when full is a crush.

..crush to who? .....EK offers 33'-34' pitch which is great...better than having 18-19' wide and 31-32' pitch...

Ostensibly, pax don't see to mind either as I don't see EK ditching their 10-across B777's to 9-across B777's

.....the only "problem" EK's Clark has with the B773ER's is "the price"..

[Edited 2007-10-27 17:29:17]


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User currently offlineChrisrad From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1055 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11051 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 16):
...TG have it on certain B772's also CZ have 10 across on their B772's as well...not to mention, if I'm not mistaken, KL will be going 10-across on their B773ER's also (but I'm not completely certain about that.   )

When do TG use their regional 777's on long haul international sectors?



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User currently offlineQantas787 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11032 times:

Quoting Airbus1 (Thread starter):
downgraded to EY on a Perth flight

EY may take offence to this statement. Smile


User currently offlineDZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11030 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 16):
crush to who? .....EK offers 33'-34' pitch which is great...

How often do you get to use the full 33'-34" pitch without having the person behind you call the cops. Flying a fully booked EK flight should entitle one to an endurance medal.


User currently offlineJoKeR From Serbia, joined Nov 2004, 2226 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10975 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 16):
..I do not believe that is the case regarding being "in a world of their own"..in fact, if there is any kind of carriers more open to various nationalities, it is those of the Middle Eastern carriers

You missed my point. Nothing to do with nationalities of staff and pax...

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 16):
...would be be complaining if you were one of those on a fat salary... Wink

Hey, definitely would not complain! Big grin



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10930 times:

Quoting Chrisrad (Reply 17):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 16):
...TG have it on certain B772's also CZ have 10 across on their B772's as well...not to mention, if I'm not mistaken, KL will be going 10-across on their B773ER's also (but I'm not completely certain about that. )

When do TG use their regional 777's on long haul international sectors?

...I think it's their "regional" B777's as they have 3-3-3 B777's also....

Quoting DZ09 (Reply 19):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 16):
crush to who? .....EK offers 33'-34' pitch which is great...

How often do you get to use the full 33'-34" pitch without having the person behind you call the cops. Flying a fully booked EK flight should entitle one to an endurance medal.

...I've flown on EK no less than 15-20 times (in both Y and J) and I've used their full 33-34 without any problems



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User currently offlineDZ09 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 491 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10886 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 21):
...I've flown on EK no less than 15-20 times (in both Y and J) and I've used their full 33-34 without any problems

If Ek had titanium elite I would then qualify. I have always enjoyed flying with them but my last flight was rather painful.Both legs were fully booked even the JFK-HAM-DXB segments. I need to work harder to afford flying business.


User currently offlineEmirates773ER From Pakistan, joined Jun 2005, 1448 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 10840 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 21):

...I've flown on EK no less than 15-20 times (in both Y and J) and I've used their full 33-34 without any problems

Exactly, been there and done that with no regrets what so ever. Infact flying out this december to dxb and khi for eid.....



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User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6533 posts, RR: 55
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 10650 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 7):
.....if it was an "internal" flight they can possibly (but not probably) get away with that, however since its an international flight, it will have to follow many rules, regulations and recommendations of various international bodies/organisations....

Ah, if only life were that simple. I come from a city where one large airline dominates the scene and I know first hand that what the airline wants, it pretty much gets. People know who really run the aviation department of the government and in Dubai it must be worse with the same guy owning the airline, half of Dubai and having a heavy hand in the government as well. Surely you are not going to tell me that he has no say and no power with what the laws are governing Emirates.


25 BBADXB : The funny thing about this EK Perth flight incident is that the dumbwits going by the name of 'management' had initially suspended the crew of EK420,
26 Post contains images EE-Kay : I wonder if the people working at the spin department 24/7 would actually pay A.net to delete this thread!
27 EK345 : Why do you feel the need to make racist and stereotypical comments like this? Grow up. EK345
28 PanAm747LHR : This is absolutely outrageous! First off, the Skywards member has a lot of nerve - I hope I have him on a flight sometime soon cause I'd love to let
29 Emirates773ER : Every big city in the world has gone through such a phase at one time or another. Don't see how you can equate it to being a limbo?
30 Ikramerica : So, after all that, you blame another race of people for your problems? Come on, that's pretty lame if not completely insulting. The management of yo
31 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I actually hear this all the time (i.e.-JFK-HAM-DXB being fully booked)...just goes to show how well EK are doing... .....I'm going to try to make it
32 Chrisrad : At the expense of treating their cabin crew like crap? Quite honestly I wouldn't mind seeing some type of expose on TV or other media, if it means th
33 Sean-SAN- : I saw the FA's sleeping in the last row of Y on my MH KUL-ARN-EWR flights and I actually felt sorry for them! How could anyone actually complain about
34 Chrisrad : MH do have bunks for the staff, in addition to blocking off the last 2 seats in economy. On long sectors I have flown with speaking with the cabin cr
35 L1011Lover : My two cents: EK is and has always been a shitty airline!!!!!!!! They treat their employees like crap. I remember a FA I used to work with at Condor.
36 TBCITDG : This is totally disgusting! I cannot believe that crew have to resort to sleeping in the toilets!?!?!?!? What are the managers doing about this . . .
37 CXfirst : It really surprises me that the crew on DXB-PER-DXB cannot sleep a bit. Every time I fly this route, they seem very awake throughout the flight. With
38 FlyEmirates : I can confirm that the pitch on 77L in 32' in Y Im certain on the 77W it is 32 also with a handfull at 33. The pitch on A345 is closer to 31" Why peo
39 QantasHeavy : EK is known for working its crews hard without a lot of rest... which one would think has a safety consequence. A lot of EK crew I have known used to
40 Pope : Whatever. Physicians regularly pull 36+ hour shifts and perform delicate operations where peoples lives are literally in their hands. If a neurosurge
41 Chrisrad : Firstly how much does a Physician earn? Secondly, Physician has one life in their hand? not 400+ people being looked after by 14-16 crew? It's quite
42 Airbus1 : The sleeping in the toilet references are sad but all too true. Such a glamourous profession.......... Airbus1
43 CX Flyboy : Unfortunately I wish you were right but it is a little naive to think that it does not happen. Besides, many governments all over the world have rule
44 L1011Lover : Stop!!! This is comparing apples with bananas... First of all I know exactly what I'm talking about because I've worked in the medical field for more
45 Chrisrad : Thanks this is exactly what I wanted to say, agree 100% with your post.
46 Caspritz78 : First: In more and more countries physicians fight against these long hours. Second: Hospitals have rooms for their employees where physicians can le
47 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ....I've gone on personal experience (as mentioned, north of 15-20 times) as well as what many others have stated (from personal experience)....the s
48 Post contains images Leezyjet : Lets not forget that the Physicians do not cross multiple time zones whilst they are working, whereas the cabin crew as well as working shifts like L
49 Pope : That may be the legal max but I personally have shadowed a surgeon when he was on for over 45 hours. I met him at the hospital after the first 24 hou
50 Lightsaber : I'm hearing two things on a.net about DXB-HAM flights. Was it down-gauged? I doubt that if always full. Was an additional flight added? Lightsaber
51 DZ09 : I did JFK-Ham-DXb a few times this year and the flights have always been half empty. I took the same flight 2 weeks ago and both segments were packed
52 TBCITDG : Pope: Can you please tell me what hospital this took place so that I avoid it ALL cost. To have a surgeon performing delicate procedures as you state
53 GlobalDude : At Continental ALL flight BLOCKED at 8hrs or more have to have crew rest provided. 757-200 3 aft seatsA/C right curtained off before the galley 767-20
54 Nzrich : Well i hope im never under the knife with a surgeon or hospital that allows a dr to do over 45 hours without a break .. We all know the medical profe
55 Chrisrad : Oh right, you did this whilst in the air responsible for 400 people??
56 FlyboyOz : Similar to CX's ...On the way to HKG from SYD, I saw CX cabin crews used blankets to cover up the seats at the back of the fuselage in order to block
57 EK773 : There is no EK flight which has 2 sets of crew. All crew will work during the first service after take off, half of them will then take a break till
58 Pope : The notion that a FA's is responsible for 400 people's lives is laughable. 99.9%+ of the time their biggest responsibility is to start the AVOD syste
59 L410Turbolet : You are? Considering the fact that their "miracle" of indoor ski slopes in the middle of the desert was built thanks to slave labor and horrible work
60 Airbus1 : Guys, This started as a humble note about EK crew being told that they may not sleep during rest periods on long haurl flights except when crew bunks
61 Nzrich : I somehow think it would be the fire department making the decisions during a fire .. As for responsibility of the 400 passengers i think you need to
62 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ..interesting..getting mixed responses....I've spoken with a bunch of family members who have probably totaled 15-20 flights on the JFK-HAM-DXB route
63 TG992 : I think those posting the usual diatribe about how unimportant cabin crew are and how we're-all-gonna-die-anyway-so-whats-the-point are missing the gi
64 Luv2cattlecall : You're as bad as the real Pope... what with the telling Africans that using condoms is what will kill them and all. And that's really poor management
65 ANstar : I flew Jetstar to HNL in Star Class and 2 of the staff were having a nap in the Star Class cabin (One in row 2, the other in row 3)
66 Jog : I am happy to read that most fellows here share the point of view of Airbus1. Not allowing crew to shut their eyes on a rest period on such a long fli
67 Chrisrad : With all the support for Cabin Crew, Pope seems to be very quiet now, maybe you have been "educated" enough now?
68 Pellegrine : !!! I've heard bad things about how EK (and QR especially) treats their employees, but that takes the cake. I can't imagine that is actually company
69 Nzrich : Im sure that is not EK's policy ..Im sure EK's policy is closer to not allowing any crew member to sleep at all when no crew rest is provided ..
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