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SQ A380 First Revenue Flight Today!  
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 14403 times:

Leaves in 13 hours and 15 minutes as SQ221. First revenue flight is a big deal, even more than the charity flight. But I don't see a lot of interest on a.net. What happened? Doesn't it deserve it's own thread? I know we have some a.netters on the flight.

Also, I noticed the block time for SQ221 increases by 5 minutes with the shift to the A380. Any idea why this is? Is it just to pad it a bit more to improve ontime stats? I can't believe it's slower than the 744.


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User currently offlineLrdc9 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 610 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14335 times:

If only I was on this flight. Guess I should of busted open the piggy bank a bit earlier. Oh well. Good luck to the a/c and pax for an enjoyable flight. Anyone flying in the private bedrooms? If so share the story, comment and pics please!!

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User currently offlineXXXX10 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 777 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14331 times:

The charity flight was still IMHO a revenue flight, the pax paid for their tickets, its just that SQ gave the money to charity. It may have aslo be carrying cargo.

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14297 times:

SQ380 roundtrip was a proving flight, but I guess it could be considered a charter. Which I guess is a revenue flight in the technical sense, but generally a plane is considered to be put into revenue service by a SCHEDULED airline when it is placed on a route where tickets are sold, not auctioned for charity.

CO auctioned off seats on it's delivery flight of a 777 recently. Does that make it a revenue flight? Somebody paid something for tickets, after all...



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User currently offlineXXXX10 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2000, 777 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14225 times:

Personally I would say that if a member of the public can by a ticket form point A to point B, then it is a commercial service. Although I agree it's a grey area.

I remember on the last Concorde flight there was one passenger who had bought his ticket months before, not knowing that it was the last flight. Had the flight just had invited guests then it would not be IMHO a commercial service.


User currently offlineTrent900 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 20 hours ago) and read 13766 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
SQ380 roundtrip was a proving flight, but I guess it could be considered a charter. Which I guess is a revenue flight in the technical sense

And of course SQ did not fly the, as now, scheduled round trip with the (100min or so?) turnaround in SYD. It'll be interesting to see if everything runs to plan.

D.


User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 20 hours ago) and read 13702 times:

http://travel.timesonline.co.uk/tol/...nd_style/travel/article2744236.ece

Quite a good read.



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User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3766 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 19 hours ago) and read 13477 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 6):
Quite a good read.

It is good.

It was about time for someone to try and bring it back down to earth a little.

Everything about the A380 lately, good and bad, had been blown up way out of perspective.
It might be revolutionary on a technical level, for the airlines, for the premiums pax and the standard aviation enthusiast, but for everybody else, it's just another plane, not much different and not much more comfortable or spacious, and I'll bet anyone a barrel of oil it's going to stay the same.



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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 13333 times:

Hoorah.

SQ221 2030 / 0700 +1
SQ220 0850 / 1345



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User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3948 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 18 hours ago) and read 13293 times:

Quoting XXXX10 (Reply 4):
Personally I would say that if a member of the public can by a ticket form point A to point B, then it is a commercial service. Although I agree it's a grey area.



Quoting XXXX10 (Reply 2):
The charity flight was still IMHO a revenue flight, the pax paid for their tickets, its just that SQ gave the money to charity. It may have aslo be carrying cargo.

I think the difference is is that if this fight was to go tech, it could be replaced by another type (744 probably...) with little to no fan fair and no skin off SQ's back, whereas the charity flight was all about the A380.


User currently offlineBNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3183 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 13250 times:

should be an interesting flight trip report to come It will be interesting to compare from Fridays charity flight where every one was walking around taking photos.


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User currently offlineLogos From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 793 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 13131 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Thread starter):
Also, I noticed the block time for SQ221 increases by 5 minutes with the shift to the A380. Any idea why this is? Is it just to pad it a bit more to improve ontime stats? I can't believe it's slower than the 744.

Just guessing, but I wonder if this is to allow for the extra time it will take to load/offload passengers on the 380 vs. the 744.

Cheers,
Dave in Orlando



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27000 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 17 hours ago) and read 13086 times:

To me the first REAL flight is as Ikramerica says today. The charity flight was more like a one off charter. There will be a big difference between the charity flight and the normal flights

1/ You can book todays flight on the Net or at a agent

2/ The catering will be totally different

3/ You probably wont be able to walk around between the different cabins

4/ You wont get free champagne in Y class ( Or am I wrong ) ???

5/ No special gift packs

6/ SQ 380 was a unique flight number and not a regular scheduled service !!

Quoting BNE (Reply 10):
should be an interesting flight trip report to come It will be interesting to compare from Fridays charity flight where every one was walking around taking photos.

Yes I wonder as stated above if you will be able to just walk around the whole A/C. Probably not .


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 15 hours ago) and read 12822 times:

What are the flight loads like? I just wonder if they are full or half full....


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User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 14 hours ago) and read 12157 times:

Quoting XXXX10 (Reply 2):
The charity flight was still IMHO a revenue flight, the pax paid for their tickets, its just that SQ gave the money to charity. It may have aslo be carrying cargo.

Since SQ didn't pay for the fuel and other items for the flight. I think it would have been very poor taste for SQ to carry cargo for profit at someone else's expense.


User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3948 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 12058 times:

Quoting Khobar (Reply 14):
Since SQ didn't pay for the fuel and other items for the flight. I think it would have been very poor taste for SQ to carry cargo for profit at someone else's expense.

Why wouldn't they have paid for the fuel, the aircraft was in SQ's ownership at that time...


User currently offlineSpeedyGonzales From Norway, joined Sep 2007, 732 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 11970 times:

Quoting Moo (Reply 15):
Why wouldn't they have paid for the fuel, the aircraft was in SQ's ownership at that time...

ExxonMobil donated the fuel for the charity flights.



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User currently offlineKearnet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 221 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 11909 times:

Quoting Moo (Reply 15):
Why wouldn't they have paid for the fuel, the aircraft was in SQ's ownership at that time...

For the charity flights, ExxonMobile donated the Jet-A in both directions.


User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 79
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 11659 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Thread starter):
First revenue flight is a big deal, even more than the charity flight. But I don't see a lot of interest on a.net. What happened?

Because it's not the first revenue flight. A revenue flight is a scheduled flight carrying paying passengers.

It wasn't a charter because it was scheduled. The passengers did pay for it, although SQ chose not to keep that money (that's their choice, but it has nothing to do with being a revenue flight or not).

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
CO auctioned off seats on it's delivery flight of a 777 recently. Does that make it a revenue flight? Somebody paid something for tickets, after all...

It wasn't scheduled. Hence, charter.

Tom.


User currently offlineMoo From Falkland Islands, joined May 2007, 3948 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 13 hours ago) and read 11501 times:

Quoting SpeedyGonzales (Reply 16):
ExxonMobil donated the fuel for the charity flights.

Ahh I didn't know that, thanks!


User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2179 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 12 hours ago) and read 11197 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 12):
4/ You wont get free champagne in Y class ( Or am I wrong ) ???

All depends on the airline...



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User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 12 hours ago) and read 11128 times:

Quoting Moo (Reply 15):
Why wouldn't they have paid for the fuel, the aircraft was in SQ's ownership at that time...

Because (for the nth time I see now - sorry) the fuel and other services were donated by the respective companies to support the spirit of the charity flight.

Singapore Airlines has secured support from three important partners for this charity event. One of the Airline's strategic fuel suppliers, and a key partner, ExxonMobil Aviation, will donate the fuel for the flights.

"We are pleased to support this event as a strategic partner of Singapore Airlines. This charity event is in line with our long-standing effort to make a positive impact on the communities in which we operate," said Mr Kwa Chong Seng, Chairman and Managing Director of ExxonMobil Asia Pacific Pte Ltd.

eBay - the world's leading online marketplace will subsidise the fees and charges from this auction, and PayPal, a global leader in online payment solutions, will rebate a portion of its fees and charges to help support the charities.


[Edited 2007-10-28 09:50:56]

User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21532 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 11 hours ago) and read 10478 times:

Quoting Logos (Reply 11):
Just guessing, but I wonder if this is to allow for the extra time it will take to load/offload passengers on the 380 vs. the 744.

But it's 5 extra flight minutes, not 5 mins extra turn time. So it must have been a choice by SQ to make the flight longer for some reason.

Does SYD sell/alot slots within hours? Like LGA, where there are so many flights that can schedule per hour? If so, adding the 5 minutes puts the flight in the 7AM hour and not the 6AM hour. Maybe that had something to do with it?

But the return flight is not 5 minutes longer. And they actually cut the turn time by 5 minutes due to this compared with the 744. Also, the first A380 SQ221 arrived at 6:46AM anyway, where the 744 the day before arrived at 6:44, so either way they are generally early if they leave SIN on time.

So maybe only SQ knows why the "paper" change was made here.

Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 18):
Because it's not the first revenue flight.

Yes it is (was). SQ380 was not a revenue flight. It was at best a sponsored charter with VIPs, but SQ took no revenue! They donated their labor, ExxonMobil donated the fuel, the airports waived fees, and SQ didn't take in one dime as revenue. Some of those VIPs got their seats by donating to a charity fund, others by being associated with the Airline, the government, suppliers, etc. But nobody bought a ticket, and SQ got no money. Last time I checked, revenue flights need to create revenue.



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User currently offlineTdscanuck From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 12709 posts, RR: 79
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 10 hours ago) and read 10169 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 22):
Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 18):
Because it's not the first revenue flight.

Yes it is (was). SQ380 was not a revenue flight. It was at best a sponsored charter with VIPs, but SQ took no revenue! They donated their labor, ExxonMobil donated the fuel, the airports waived fees, and SQ didn't take in one dime as revenue. Some of those VIPs got their seats by donating to a charity fund, others by being associated with the Airline, the government, suppliers, etc. But nobody bought a ticket, and SQ got no money. Last time I checked, revenue flights need to create revenue.

The trick is that "revenue flight" is a quasi-regulatory term and it just means "paying passengers". It doesn't really matter who they're paying. In this case, the passengers did buy the tickets from SQ and SQ then donated that money to the various charities. Even if they'd given the money straight to the charities in exchange for the seats, they're still paying passengers.

Tom.


User currently offlineBNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3183 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 8 hours ago) and read 8768 times:

flight was full in business only 2 F suites were free and only 3
economy seats were available so otherwise full flight.



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25 797 : Woah! I wonder if they'll be able to keep this pace up! One question, how much does a F Suite costs on this trip??? Cheers
26 Ag92 : Only the media got to walk about the different cabins, and yes there was champagne for Y pax, AFAIK Trip Report Coming Soon Regards Ag92
27 AirGVA : SYD - SIN return in F suite costs about USD 9000
28 ANstar : Looks like it got off ontime today also witht he reasonably quick 2hr turn
29 Ayqzbr : SQ 221 seems to have arrived 20 mins early and 220 left 3 mins late. I will be leaving on another carrier from a nearby gate this Wednesday morning so
30 XXXX10 : It looks like SQ 220 will arrive 45 minutes late. Thats two delays in four passenger flights, not an auspicious start!
31 SpeedyGonzales : Could it be winds? SQ 221 left late, but arrived early, while SQ 220 left on time and will arrive late.
32 XXXX10 : That would explain it, do you think they will strugle with this schedule? I wonder why they only have 1hr 40 mins in SYD but 6 hrs 45 mins at SIN ?
33 ANstar : Because they need the time on the ground in Singpaore for maintenance. This bird is flying 7 days per week and wont go out of service for MX until th
34 AWombat : I expect that the engineers that are trained to support the A380 are in Singapore not Sydney. This would give them the maximum amount of time to reso
35 BNE : The tailwinds on the flight across Australia were averaging 260km; our ground speed was 1100km. According to my timing the flight landed just after 6:
36 Rjm717 : Sydney has a runway movement limit, currently capped at 80 per hour. But in addition, it also has a passenger throughput cap for the International te
37 PanAm_DC10 : ....and it looked magnificent on it's climb on a clear and sunny morning in SYD. Was driving and had just parked and noticed it as I got out of the c
38 Tsentsan : Info from my friends in Sydney: SQ221 touched down at SYD with a special welcome from tower controllers at 06:50 this morning. The aircraft then did a
39 Post contains images MadameConcorde : I will be landing at changi past 10.00 pm tonight from KL I will try to catch a glimpse of 9VSKA at landing on the SQ flight or maybe early tomorrow m
40 Post contains links Jacobin777 : Though this link was might not have been from the revenue flight, it does have some decent photos.. http://content.zdnet.com/2346-9595_22-172526.html
41 StealthZ : Today's SQ220 pushed at 8:53 not that bad for a sched 8:50 and as mentioned above SACL is putting some special conditions on it for a week or so, so
42 44k : Really? I did a price quote in Sabre and the cheapest fare got only ~$4000 for F, ~$2500 for J.
43 LTU932 : How about a compromise: the SQ380 charity charter was the entry into service of the A380, while today's SQ220/221 flight is the first regularly sched
44 StealthZ : Meant to answer this in my earlier post... Apart from the answer above re SQ MX requirements in Singapore any change to the turnaround times would be
45 ANstar : But the flight could depart SYD 30 mins or so later, therefore not having an impact on the curfew
46 XXXX10 : I wasn't trying to condemn this bird and realise that the aircraft has, so far, behaved well. I do think that this schedule may be difficult to maint
47 Post contains links and images HKGKaiTak : Push back was right on time. I loved the ground controller asking whether SQ220 was the "rather large Airbus" ... And weren't the pilots happy about
48 StealthZ : Sure but another consideration is... hey we have little idea what might bite us on this thing, let's make sure we have the max time at "home base" as
49 Tdscanuck : F suite is different than F. Off the Singapore website a few days ago, suites were about $10000, F was about $7500, J was about $5000, and Y was abou
50 44k : I was not aware that the SQ380 was a 4 class aircraft? F = R.
51 Ikramerica : No, he's right. You price SIN-SYD, and you get four classes: R, F, J, Y. R costs more, and is only on the A380. F costs second most, and is only on t
52 Post contains images Ikramerica : Sorry man, but you are just not right about this. You are equating one thing to another because money has changed hands in both situations, but not a
53 MakeMinesLAX : I agree - they want as much ground time in SIN as possible. In any case, fourteen hours of daily utilitization is pretty good, especially for a new t
54 Tdscanuck : From an accounting point of view I completely agree with you. SQ didn't get any revenue from the flight by any normal measure. However, that's irrela
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