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When Will TED Disappear?  
User currently offlineLASOctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9645 times:

When is UA going to rid themselves of their failed attempt for an "airline within an airline" (with the same op. certificate)? WN and B6 seem to be unaffected by Ted's presence. Another question, why did UA downgrade some of the more attractive cities from mainline to Ted service?


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User currently offlineKingCavalier From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 1302 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9652 times:

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Thread starter):
WN and B6 seem to be unaffected by Ted's presence

Add F9 and every other airline. Ted made and makes no sense. It's just a matter of time before Ted goes the way of Song.



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User currently offlineLASOctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9585 times:

Quoting KingCavalier (Reply 1):
the way of Song.

IMO, Song made a big difference somewhere and was actually (I think) profitable... Ted wasn't buffed up enough to really make a threatening stance to anybody..

[Edited 2007-10-27 22:56:40]


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User currently offlineBoston92 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9569 times:

Song made sense...TED is just a...well, I really don't know what the hell TED is. This coming from a big United fan.


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User currently offlineZTagged From Niger, joined Oct 2007, 516 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9481 times:

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 3):
Song made sense

Concur. DL had the right idea with Song.

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 3):
TED is just a...well, I really don't know what the hell TED is.

The bastard child of UA. No better way to say it, honestly. I would say it's UA's approach to an express, but that's not correct. I could say it's a mish-mash of garbage, and I'd probably be closer to the right answer.  crazy   duck 



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User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9467 times:

I don't think we can compare song and ted, song had TV's for every seat, something new for that time, and eventually became DL's transcontinental 757 model which is rolling over the rest of their domestic fleet eventually. I think song was more of a test to see if it would work, and since it did DL merged song back into DL. Ted is more going against south west, or jetblue but with out TVs, its almost like they needed more coach capacity on these routes but didn't want to put bigger planes on those routes, so they just did an all coach A320 to make up for it. I don't really know what UA wanted Ted to become, its almost impossible to compete with WN unless you can compete with their prices, no one wants to pay alot and get nothing, at WN you pay a little and get a little, it makes sense, Ted does not.

User currently offlineMPDPilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 9164 times:

Quoting ZTagged (Reply 4):
The bastard child of UA. No better way to say it, honestly. I would say it's UA's approach to an express, but that's not correct. I could say it's a mish-mash of garbage, and I'd probably be closer to the right answer.

Can you explain please. I live in PHX and when I fly United it is always TED. I just don't know what your talking about. I have flown NW, DL, CO, AA, WN, and UA home on a four to five time a year basis. TED is really my favorite, I get to see a movie I can't say I have ever been on CO or DL for longer than 1hr 30min so maybe I am missing something. I will also say that being 6'3" tall the Explus is awesome, and reasonably priced. I just want to understand why TED is so bad I really like it, it's comfortable and cheap. It is always the same price as WN and AA on the PHX-CHI route, and so I always choose TED because it is better than both of those.



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9072 times:

Quoting MPDPilot (Reply 10):
Can you explain please.

It does not make sense as an LCC, because it is waaaaaaay too close to UA to have anything other than the most minute of cost advantages. Ted is neither one thing or the other. On one hand UA is putting F in RJs (stupid, stupi, stupid, 50 seaters are insane/70s just about make sense) and taking F out of mainline to create this "Ted" which still has all the costs associated with a legacy carrier but the fares of WN, etc, while at the same time minline is cutting back on 'frills' too.

UA is a bit lost for direction as far as I can see, Ted is just the personification of all that is wrong with UA, no vision, copycat, poorly impremented ideas. Why bother?

Brian.



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User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2167 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8973 times:

TED has failed...TED is lost....TED does not work. ...see a lot of professional judgements here.

Can someone show me the books on TED?

(Oh...you can't as TED's RASM/CASM is not broken out  Wink )

UAL has slashed jobs, routes, cities and continues to do so not even if it is unprofitable but if they can make more money with the aircraft somewhere else...and still does not order new aircraft and stay's extremely conservative on expenses.

But they kept TED....

You don't think that perhaps they see a financial picture we don't? That perhaps putting 20+ more seats on an aircraft that goes into generally low fare leisure markets makes sense instead of having F? That perhaps just popping half a galley and a closet and changing seats on a few rows for low cost made more money than rewiring and adding seat tv?

 dollarsign   dollarsign   dollarsign 

IMHO if oil had stayed below 50 perhaps TED would be gone...but at 90? Everything is getting rethunk at 90 by everyone....from you at the pump filling that F250 to the folks with huge computer programs and a list of degrees a mile long.

(And yes there were internal rumors that TED was going a few months back....and now there are rumors that 6 more ac are being added to the fleet.....rumors rumors rumors.)  Smile


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8938 times:

Quoting MPDPilot (Reply 6):
Explus is awesome

The only positive thing about E-Plus is the additional leg room and sitting up front. The service is, unfortunately, the same as regular coach. To me, its definately NOT worth the upgrade.



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User currently offlineOrdflier From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 174 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8750 times:

Keep in mind, Economy Plus is saved for United's Elite Travellers on a first come / first serve basis. That extra space is another reason many travellers who have United as an option for their travels choose them.


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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8626 times:

All of you that say Ted has failed...can you show us why? Because unless UA has lost market share in Ted markets, or is losing money on the operation (which, while nobody can really know, UA says is not the case), it would seem like Ted was and is a success. Ted wasn't designed to hurt F9, WN, B6, etc. It was designed to increase UA's market share in leisure, low fare markets. And I believe it has done that.

User currently offlineIntermodal64 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8599 times:
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In the '70's and early 80's many of the legacy carriers kept a subfleet of mainline aircraft in all-coach configuration for short-haul or high-density operations. Western and United are the two that particularly come to mind. (I vaguely remember some short DL DC-8's in an all-coach configuration also.) This seems like a more effective way to manage and control a brand rather than creating "sub-brands." The legacies are all fairly generic these days: blue dingy seats (even in first class), few amenities, erratic fares, tired employees, poor reliability, overcrowded facilities, and worn-down aircraft. Between UA, AA, and DL, I literally forget which airline I'm flying on from day to day.

The UA brand would not suffer one bit from all-coach operations in DEN-PHX or LAX-SFO, and this would be less confusing for passengers than a "Ted" or a "Song." The creation of "Ted" indicates to me that they are very insecure with their UA branding. They either think it is "too good" to associate with a high-density operation or that it is "not good enough" to attract value-oriented consumers. Day to day consumers of their product know the former is not the case.

A cynical pilot once told me that Ted is the END of United.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8555 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 11):
All of you that say Ted has failed...can you show us why? Because unless UA has lost market share in Ted markets, or is losing money on the operation (which, while nobody can really know, UA says is not the case), it would seem like Ted was and is a success. Ted wasn't designed to hurt F9, WN, B6, etc. It was designed to increase UA's market share in leisure, low fare markets. And I believe it has done that.

.... checkmark ...if TED isn't doing as well as many here have claimed they probably would have shut it down by now..as its been a few years since TED has been operating...UA also recently released very good earnings with good profit margins....given the current size of TED now, it would have quite possibly affected their margins, etc.

Lets see what UA does with TED in the next year or so before we call it a "failure"...



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8537 times:

Quoting Intermodal64 (Reply 12):
The legacies are all fairly generic these days: blue dingy seats (even in first class), few amenities, erratic fares, tired employees, poor reliability, overcrowded facilities, and worn-down aircraft. Between UA, AA, and DL, I literally forget which airline I'm flying on from day to day.

The UA brand would not suffer one bit from all-coach operations in DEN-PHX or LAX-SFO, and this would be less confusing for passengers than a "Ted" or a "Song." The creation of "Ted" indicates to me that they are very insecure with their UA branding. They either think it is "too good" to associate with a high-density operation or that it is "not good enough" to attract value-oriented consumers. Day to day consumers of their product know the former is not the case.

A cynical pilot once told me that Ted is the END of United.

I think you have so far summed it up best and hit all the key points on the head.



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2492 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8410 times:

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 3):
TED is just a...well, I really don't know what the hell TED is.

It's UA's way of cramming more seats (and generating more revenue) on high-demand leisure routes.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 7):
UA is a bit lost for direction as far as I can see, Ted is just the personification of all that is wrong with UA, no vision, copycat, poorly impremented ideas.

UA absolutely has direction - they've consolidated routes, focused on its strengths (international), trimmed costs, and tweaked its product (i.e. Ted) on some routes to compete with LCCs.

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 8):
You don't think that perhaps they see a financial picture we don't? That perhaps putting 20+ more seats on an aircraft that goes into generally low fare leisure markets makes sense instead of having F

Exactly. I would venture to guess (and maybe someone can confirm this for me) that most of the F flyers on the routes that Ted now occupies were P, PE or 1K members that used system or comp upgrades. Honestly, how many people really dropped $2,000 to fly F class between ORD and PHX or LAX-LAS?! The F seats probably weren't generating much revenue (if at all). That being the case, UA figured that it'd be more prudent to pull the seats out, throw in some additional Y or Y+ seats and sell them for less. Generating some revenue is better than generating none at all.

Look, I think I speak on behalf of many UA FFers when I say that I don't really "miss" a domestic F class seat on a 3 hour flight. Even if F seats were available on some of the Ted routes, I wouldn't be in any hurry to drop $1,000-2,000 8-15K miles, or 2-4 e-upgrades for a wider seat with the same IFE and basically the same food/bev service. E+ works just fine and, for the most part, it seems that UA's Ted subfleet generally feels more fresh than some of the 757s, or 73Xs in the fleet. Ted doesn't bother me one bit and, as has been postulated repeatedly in this thread, if it wasn't working for them, they'd have dumped it a while ago.


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User currently offlineCaljn From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7928 times:

IMO United ought to use TED as they did with the former United Express. The TED concept would work on the heavily traveled LAX - SFO where United uses 737, 320, and 757 and now must compete with Virgin America and Southwest. Other former United Express lanes ex LAX to LAS, DEN, and perhaps SEA is where TED should be utilized.

They must make up their mind. United Express was a good idea...quick turnaround on short hops.
Now we have ill defined TED.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25015 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7860 times:
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Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 11):
Ted wasn't designed to hurt F9

Yes, Ted was. One of the primary stated objectives of Ted was to stop the erosion of market share to the LCC's, and particularly at DEN.

In that sense, at DEN, Ted provably failed.

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User currently offlineSpencerII From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7860 times:

Quoting Intermodal64 (Reply 12):
A cynical pilot once told me that Ted is the END of United

I take it that is your mantra as well?

So how long will it take UNITED to end? Seems Ted has been going a while now.


User currently offlineWeAreUnited From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 423 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7454 times:

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 2):

IMO, Song made a big difference somewhere and was actually (I think) profitable

You think. Did Delta ever release separate SONG earnings? No! Most of the rumors on here was that it was NOT profitable but those are just rumors.

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 5):
Ted is more going against south west, or jetblue but with out TVs

TED was created to compete against Frontier in Denver.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 7):
On one hand UA is putting F in RJs (stupid, stupi, stupid, 50 seaters are insane/70s just about make sense)

United does not have 50 seat RJ's with First Class.

Quoting Ordflier (Reply 10):
Economy Plus is saved for United's Elite Travellers on a first come / first serve basis. That extra space is another reason many travellers who have United as an option for their travels choose them.

WRONG!

Quoting Caljn (Reply 16):
IMO United ought to use TED as they did with the former United Express.



Quoting Caljn (Reply 16):
LAX - SFO



Quoting Caljn (Reply 16):
LAX to LAS, DEN, and perhaps SEA is where TED should be utilized.

With the routes you mentioned I was really confused at first. What you mean is the former 'UNITED SHUTTLE.' United Shuttle was formed to compete mostly with Southwest on the west coast (notably intra-California flights) where United was loosing market share.

Ted, as I and others have mentioned, was created mostly to compete against Frontier at Denver.

I can't remember when this was but I do remember hearing that United actually increased it's market share in TED markets where it competed with Frontier. Also, Frontier stopped serving ONT not long after Ted was introduced on that route.

Also, according to a higher up at United, TED is VERY profitable. In early 2004 if TED's earnings were reported seperately would be more profitable then B6 and F9.

I wish I had links or something to show you this info- but I don't.


User currently offlineMultimark From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 796 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7433 times:

Quoting KingCavalier (Reply 1):



Quoting KingCavalier (Reply 1):
Add F9 and every other airline. Ted made and makes no sense. It's just a matter of time before Ted goes the way of Song.

And Zip and Tango from AC. The airline-within-an-airline fad seems to have died as each emerged from bankruptcy.


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9511 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7346 times:

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 2):
IMO, Song made a big difference somewhere and was actually (I think) profitable... Ted wasn't buffed up enough to really make a threatening stance to anybody..



Quoting ZTagged (Reply 4):
Quoting Boston92 (Reply 3):
TED is just a...well, I really don't know what the hell TED is.

The bastard child of UA. No better way to say it, honestly. I would say it's UA's approach to an express, but that's not correct. I could say it's a mish-mash of garbage, and I'd probably be closer to the right answer.

From an economics standpoint the branding of Ted isn't really a big deal. They try to differentiate it some, but they weren't trying to be like Song and have a better product with TVs. Ted is a way to get rid of empty first class cabins and increase the number of seats in select markets on planes to lower the per passenger costs. UA didn't get much benefit from having a first class cabin to destinations like LAS since it is a tourist destination with fewer elite members paying for first class. The branding is an afterthought. Increasing capacity on the A320s was the goal and UA did that.

Quoting WeAreUnited (Reply 19):
Quoting Ordflier (Reply 10):
Economy Plus is saved for United's Elite Travellers on a first come / first serve basis. That extra space is another reason many travellers who have United as an option for their travels choose them.

WRONG!

Could you explain what is wrong? Economy plus is for elite members (premiers, premier executives, 1Ks, global service) and they are given access to it on a first come first serve basis at the time of the booking. If it doesn't fill up and seats are needed, then regular economy passengers will get access. Economy plus keeps loyal flyers loyal to UA since they get a more comfortable flight if they don't get upgraded. I don't know how that statement is wrong.



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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7094 times:

Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 8):
Can someone show me the books on TED?

(Oh...you can't as TED's RASM/CASM is not broken out )

Exactly correct. LOTS of know-it-alls out there.

Nobody in this forum knows whether or not TED is making money for United.

That being said, I agree with the line of thinking that United has lost its way. Eliminating F seats from mainline aircraft while adding them to RJ's doesn't make sense to me. More specifically, I think it makes sense to add F to RJ's, but not to eliminate them from mainline.

United is a mess. I look for them to merge and purge within a year. The United brand will probably cease to exist and the company's management will be on the streets. Good riddance. They are an highly arrogant yet unprofessional lot who deserve to be eliminated from the industry. IMHO. One can only hope.



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User currently offlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7049 times:

Ted IS NOT a failure. It was designed to just bring in extra revenue and be more convientent for vacation travelers. Ted was started in the same year as song and is still running song isnt.

Fly Ted!



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User currently offlineMPDPilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 991 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6995 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 9):
The only positive thing about E-Plus is the additional leg room and sitting up front. The service is, unfortunately, the same as regular coach. To me, its definately NOT worth the upgrade.

Well I have never really noticed that great of an upgrade of service in first class so the fact that it is the same is really irrelavent. I will also add that being 6'3" tall that extra 5" is the difference between being comfortable and uncomfortable and since I don't typically have the money to by first class it makes perfect sense to me.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 21):
Could you explain what is wrong? Economy plus is for elite members (premiers, premier executives, 1Ks, global service) and they are given access to it on a first come first serve basis at the time of the booking. If it doesn't fill up and seats are needed, then regular economy passengers will get access. Economy plus keeps loyal flyers loyal to UA since they get a more comfortable flight if they don't get upgraded. I don't know how that statement is wrong.

It is wrong becasue it is not just for the elite members. As a non frequent flyer I can always upgrade to explus whenever I check in. it may be given to elite members but it is not just given to them when they want it. Thats where your wrong.



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25 AeroWesty : Before Shuttle by United, there was the rather short-lived United Express on the west coast in the early 80's, IIRC (this was before the "Express" mo
26 ZTagged : Can you explain why UA had a better idea than DL? What did they do differently that made them a better "mini-LCC"? IMO Song had a better product to o
27 HPAEAA : Ted is like Explus.. just another product within the UA offerings...
28 USAirALB : [quote=ZTagged,reply=26][Can you explain why UA had a better idea than DL?] I believe Ted has the right aircraft. Song just didn't work out with the B
29 Ckfred : I have heard stories that UA has lost customers who live in TED-only cities or travel frequently to TED-only cities, because there are no upgrade oppo
30 Post contains images A388 : Hey Jacob, how are you doing? I think your KL 777 photo taken in SFO is a bit more appropriate in this discussion as UA also has the 777. LOL A388
31 Post contains images LASOctoberB6 : Oh how I miss those white-topped 733s... They got their money back, right?
32 BrianDromey : Fact still remains, 50 seat RJ's dont make sense, at least from figures I have seen. I dont know what TED is all about, it should make sense, but I d
33 ATLAaron : While I agree that TED has not provided anything spectacular for me when I have flown them, I fail to see the sense in this thread. What makes anyone
34 Boston92 : I was on that route 3 times, all were overbooked.
35 Stitch : Not as long as it continues to benefit them keeping it, which seems to be the case. Because those cities had very low paid First Class passenger traf
36 ForeverUnited : Sometimes the decisions that face upper management aren't quite as cut and dried as they seem to be. Regardless of whether Ted is making money, or is
37 Frontierflyer : Ted is a joke and United is a bigger joke. I had the misfortune of flying den-bos a few weeks ago on and old repainted 757, the seats at fenway park f
38 Post contains images Stitch : Actually, I fly AS a great deal in First Class, because their fully-refundable F fares are as cheap as UA's restricted F fares. And yet AS is still g
39 Cubsrule : We can hate on Ted all we want, but the key question is simple: if Ted were failing, why would UA keep it around? The costs of transitioning it back t
40 Post contains images LASOctoberB6 : I, and a very high number of others here, would love to know that oh so special reason as of to why TED ain't gone yet. I wish someone knew..
41 Post contains images 777fan : Very good point. It's good to see that your statement is based on fact and not hyperbole. 777fan
42 Super80DFW : Well, I thought Ted was an airline that goes to vacation destinations.
43 Post contains links and images Jacobin777 : Hey A388.. .......smart alec comments of yours.. ..no KL777's or UA777's however this photo is relevant to the discussions..LOL... ...AS's B736's are
44 Post contains images ZTagged : Even with load factors not at prime, they still offered a better product. That's the big selling point with the 737NG (736-739) and the A3xx (A318-A3
45 MSYtristar : The service on Ted is a notch below regular mainline UA. Just one drink service (and no cans given) regardless of the length of the flight. I've done
46 DC8FanJet : The blind United bashing that goes on at times on this site is unreal. Too many people that have about 0.5% fact and the remainder bull***. Ted is Uni
47 Post contains images Stitch : AS flies the 737-400, 737-700, 737-800 and 737-900.
48 Post contains images MaverickM11 : For a while (and maybe still) places like TUS had more daily first class seats on UA than PHX, which had zero. 'Cuz there must not be any frequent fl
49 Klkla : Back to the original question the answer is 'NOT SOON ENOUGH!' As a 1K I can say I have definitely chosen to fly competitors on some occasions because
50 Post contains images ZTagged : Can't you feel the whimsy? Come on! Only a totally fun airline like United could butcher their name and come up with Ted! Ted is a living, breathing
51 RDUDDJI : Ted is being evaluated right now, but so is just about everything at UA. If Ted goes away, it will be for operational reasons, not because it's losing
52 WeAreUnited : Thanks MPDPilot! That's exactly what I meant when I said wrong. and? No Alaska plane has fridges.
53 AirframeAS : Ted does not have FC. I never said anything about FC. You can upgrade from regular coach to E+ for $25, IIRC. My point was, the service is the SAME i
54 Mattnrsa : Why are there so many UA-bashing quotes in this thread? Where were all of you in the recent thread highlighting UA's outstanding financial performanc
55 Post contains images A388 : Haha, priceless!! Now I am in a TED fever because of your photo! Will you use that photo from now on instead of the nice KL 772 photo you took in SFO
56 Post contains images MaverickM11 : I'm there congratulating United on a tremendous quarter, but Ted still is one of the worst ideas ever
57 UA_727 : (in response to this thread's question)...SOON... It's called exit financing. Wheather successful or not, UA needed a plan/model that would show a ban
58 Post contains images LASOctoberB6 : If Ted is UA's "fun" side, then that's like saying Ted is the equivalent of a person who doesn't know how to have fun...
59 ORD2PHL : Looks like someone missed the earnings reports from last week. The reality is that UA is generating good cash flows and is continuing to find ways to
60 Tango-Bravo : Please show us where the purpose of TED is, or ever was, to affect WN, B6 and F9 and perhaps others. On the other hand, TED came about in the interes
61 Boston92 : Song is everything but long-gone. They are integrating the Song product into the entire Delta product. How do you figure Song long-gone?
62 ElmoTheHobo : So much talk about CASM, but we seem to have ignored how few seats UA puts in its Ted planes. TED is good idea. United would have gotten rid of it by
63 Post contains links Mariner : I am amused by the revisionist history that is happening here. http://phoenix.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2003/11/10/daily37.html "UAL Corp., cur
64 Post contains images ATLAaron : He is correct. I was on ORD-SJU, same thing. UA is still my favorite but they chapped me when they got rid of Mt. Dew!
65 Post contains links and images Jacobin777 : ..your bother are correct Stitch and AirframeAS...I'll have to eat my words.. .... I'll have to disagree with Stitch as I find their B734's to be qui
66 AeroWesty : It's notable that in the MacKinsey report you mentioned, very few routes were initially proposed out of DEN. The majority were from ORD, with additio
67 Jacobin777 : ...I meant "you are both correct".....
68 Mariner : From memory, that was the original "Starfish" concept, when it was to be a much bigger airline. After the negative responses - and the union attitude
69 Stitch : Sorry, I should have added "for MVPG and MVPs" [AS Mileage Plan Elite level for the rest of you].
70 MaverickM11 : The best bits of Song were incorporated into the mainline fleet, which is what should have been done from the beginning. What has UA learned from Ted
71 AeroWesty : Most likely that they can fly domestic routes profitably without offering a First cabin for road warrior upgrades. Be careful of what you wish for.
72 Post contains images A388 : HAHAHA LOL. You just crack me up haha. But okay that is clear Cheers, A388
73 Luvflng : ...and another armchair CEO without a grain of experience managing company let alone airline talking how things should be done. If you want to make a
74 CWAFlyer : Flying what kind of airplanes? I don't think United has ever used the "United Express" brandname on anything but the partnerships with regionals.
75 Post contains links Alphascan : How long before UA's end? Not very, according to this post by Mike Boyd today. http://www.aviationplanning.com/asrc1.htm
76 Stitch : No secret UA is shopping itself for a merger or acquisition. I just hope it's CO and they stay in Star Alliance.
77 Bartond : I fly 60,000 miles a year out of DEN and use Ted quite often, as PHX, RNO, and LAS are three of my most common routes. Ted does just fine for me in co
78 CWAFlyer : I assume you are referring to operating cost compared to a CRJ-700 or EMB-170. Capacity wise, it makes sense in a lot of markets. Between MSN and ORD
79 Post contains images AirframeAS : Nice pic! I flew on 623 last December on the PHX-SEA run! Did you take that pic?  [Edited 2007-10-30 06:21:43]
80 Post contains images AeroWesty : In the early 1980's, an all-coach service, mainly on the west coast, with low one-way fares, and using 737-200's, was branded "United Express". The l
81 Post contains images Jacobin777 : Thanks for the kind words AirframeAS.. and yes I indeed took that photo....in fact, practically all of the photos I post are taken by yours truly...
82 Post contains images A388 : LOL Hahaha, nice nice. See now we are getting somewhere Jacob. "Yours truly" photos are the center of attention now Nice nice, keep the nice photos c
83 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ...thanks... I'll certainly be checking out your photos....
84 AirframeAS : AS has no fridges in them. Where was that photo taken and when?
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