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Why No B On Planes Seat Plan  
User currently offlineYYZACGUY From Canada, joined May 2004, 161 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 20655 times:

Does any one know why there is no letter B seating on planes its usually 1 A C never a B i only flew on
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User currently offlineVatveng From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 949 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 20634 times:

Many airlines that fly planes smaller than 3+3 config skip a letter on the 2-seat side, for example if seating is 2+3 the seats will go A C D E F, because B is a middle seat that doesn't exist.

Or the difference could be between First and Coach... if coach is 3+3 and First is 2+2, then first gets numbered A C D F because B and E are the middle seats back in coach. Not all airlines do this but some of them like to keep things consistent at least within the same aircraft, so A and F are always window seats, C and D are always aisle.

This goes out the window if the plane is 767 or larger, though. Delta, for example, assigns letters in order from left to right no matter the config, so in the 2+2+2 of First on a 767, they go A B C D E F, but in the 2+3+2 of coach they go A-G. But on their 777 in BE, they do skip letters to stay consistent with coach. Don't know why the 777 is different, but BE is numbered A C [aisle] D F [aisle] G J and coach is A B C [aisle] D E F [aisle] G H J

[Edited 2007-10-27 23:18:32]


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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8442 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 20610 times:
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An SAA 747 in economy will be ABC DEFG HJK while a 340 is AC DEFG HK

I remember when I could fly domestic jump seats in the good old days, the check in staff created a B seat in business class to give me a boarding pass. This confused more than one F/A when I showed the pass at the aircraft door  Smile



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 20516 times:

Depends on the system that the carrier uses, but B is pretty common. A lot of systems insist that the same type of seat always has the same letter eg. A is always window, C is always aisle. B is usually a middle seat on the left hand side of the aircraft, facing forward.

User currently offlineOftwftwoab From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 20502 times:

Same reason as there is no 'I'. Just as 'I' can be confused with '1', so 'B' can be confused with '8', especially using cheaper printers. There'd probably be no 'O' either!

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 20416 times:

Quoting Oftwftwoab (Reply 4):
so 'B' can be confused with '8', especially using cheaper printers

Not true. A great many carriers have "B" seats.


User currently offlineBrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4113 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 20375 times:

Quoting Oftwftwoab (Reply 4):
Same reason as there is no 'I'. Just as 'I' can be confused with '1', so 'B' can be confused with '8', especially using cheaper printers. There'd probably be no 'O' either!

Only in an all Y configured A380  laughing 



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User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2165 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 20195 times:

One carrier redid the Commuters to ACDF so that they have some commonality with standard gauge narrowbodies....ie a and f are always windows and C and D are always aisles....ending confusion among frequent travelers was the reason given...

guess it makes sense.....but not all carriers follow that....probably has to do with how difficult it is to change seat maps and aircraft signage.

never heard the B looks like an 8 reason before....


User currently offlineReality From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 463 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 20006 times:

Quoting Oftwftwoab (Reply 4):
'B' can be confused with '8'

I don't think that is the reason. If it were then 2x2 would be AC DE. But when then skip B they also skip E so that 2x2 is AC DF.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 3):
A lot of systems insist that the same type of seat always has the same letter eg. A is always window, C is always aisle.

That's exactly what the reason is.

Quoting Vatveng (Reply 1):
Not all airlines do this but some of them like to keep things consistent at least within the same aircraft, so A and F are always window seats, C and D are always aisle.

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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7380 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 19839 times:

BA have a consistent policy through the whole of their long haul fleet. The left hand window seat is always in row "A" and the right hand window seat is row "K". Similarly the central two rows are always rows "E" and "F".

So where there are just four rows as in the 1-2-1 "F" class 744 cabin the rows are "A", "E", "F" and "K" while up the back the 3-4-3 "M" class cabin has all rows, "A" through "K" missing out "I" because of confusion with "1".

The 2-4-2 "J" class 744 cabins have rows "A", "B", "D", "E", "F", "G", "J" and "K" while on the narrower 763s the 2-2-2 "J" class cabin has rows "A", "B", "E", "F", "J" and "K". The 2-3-2 arrangement in the "W" class cabins on the 763 are rows "A", "B", "D", "E", "F", "J" and "K".

So the row adjacent to row "A" is always row "B" and that adjacent to row "K" is always row "J". There is only a row "C" where there are three seats on the window side of the aisle and it is always an aisle seat and is always adjacent to row "B". (The same applies to row "H" on the right side of the aircraft.) So where present rows "C" and "H" are always outside aisle seats.

Rows "D" and "G" where present are always inside aisle seats. Rows "E" and "F" are the two centre rows and are always adjacent but in the 744 "F" class 1-2-1 configuration and the 763's "J" class 2-2-2 configuration they are also both aisle seats. However in the 763 "W" class cabin with its three central seats row "F" is an aisle seat but row "E" is not. In other configurations both rows "E" and "F" are inside seats.

Now I hope that's clear!!!


User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2225 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 19823 times:

The seating arrangement was designed using a 747 as the maximum seating so it went 3-4-3 in other words abc-defg-hjk. A is always a window seat, C always an aisle etc. There are some exceptions but this is the general rule. Of course it isn't a mandated law or anything but rather for convenience.

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 19801 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 9):
However in the 763 "W" class cabin with its three central seats row

W on a 763 is 2x3x2 ? How is that different from WT ?


User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7380 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 19767 times:

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 11):
W on a 763 is 2x3x2 ? How is that different from WT ?

Thanks. My mistake. "W" on a 763 is actually 2-2-2, the same as "J". When I said:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 9):
The 2-3-2 arrangement in the "W" class cabins on the 763 are rows "A", "B", "D", "E", "F", "J" and "K".

I meant to say:

'The 2-3-2 arrangement in the "M" [not "W"] class cabins on the 763 are rows "A", "B", "D", "E", "F", "J" and "K".'


User currently offlineTransair737 From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 19450 times:

A= LEFT WINDOW
B= LEFT MIDDLE
C= LEFT AISLE

D=RIGHT AISLE
E= RIGHT MIDDLE
F= RIGHT WINDOW

Fly on a 737 or A320 series aircraft, or any other 3 by 3, and that is the usual designation. If there is no middle seat then they skip that letter. CRJ's and the like, 2 by 2, have no B or E designated seats. An aircraft with a 2 by 3 configuration will have an E but no B. It is the same on widebodies if the configuration is only two seats on the window sides there is no B or E which defines the middle seat next to a window seat.


User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 19273 times:

Quoting Transair737 (Reply 13):
CRJ's and the like, 2 by 2, have no B or E designated seats. An aircraft with a 2 by 3 configuration will have an E but no B.

Incorrect.

Many regional airlines use "B" for their seat assignments. On 3 across configurations, they use A on the lefft, B & C on the right. On four across they use A & B on the left, C & D on the right.



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User currently offlineTransair737 From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 18793 times:

My appolgies I should have stated that my rational posted is NOT USED FOR ALL airlines but is used by many. Yes some regionals use A/B then C/D. Many would also list as A/C and D/F on a 2 by 2 configuration to be consistent with larger aircraft. Thus an A or F is window, C or D is aisle, and B,E is middle. Examples of this include Air Canad Jazz CRJ's and Dash 8's along with AC ERJ's.

User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3400 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 18694 times:

In the US some airlines (Trans States and Chautaugua coem to mind) have EMBs with no airline livery, so that they can be used for any of their mainline parnters. Problem is their mainline partners have diffrent setups. Had this happen once PHL-LGA. Not only did those New Yorkers have to suffer the indignity of flying a "puddle jumper", they then had to fight for their seat. They didn't seem to enjoy it, but I was entertained.


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User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 18381 times:

On a historic note, TWA used only numbers on its widebodies.

Row 15, seat 1 was the wondow seat on the left and 9 (on 767's) on the right. So instead of 15A, you got 151, instead of 15K, you got 157.

[Edited 2007-10-28 16:16:35]


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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 24762 posts, RR: 22
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 18366 times:

Quoting Oftwftwoab (Reply 4):
Same reason as there is no 'I'. Just as 'I' can be confused with '1', so 'B' can be confused with '8', especially using cheaper printers. There'd probably be no 'O' either!

You are corrrect for I vs 1 but not for B. The letter B is used on all aircraft with 6-abreast seating, at least every one I've been on. The reason for B not being used on aircraft with less than 6-across has already been explained, i.e.for consistency between window and aisle seat designators on different types. This is a very common practice.

Many carriers (but not all) do the same thing on widebodies. Most 10-abreast widebodies like the 747 usually have seats designated ABC DEFG HJK. Carriers that also operate other types with less than 10-abreast usually delete letters but keep the window/aisle seat identification consistent. e.g. An 8-abreast A330/340 will probably have seats designated AC DEFG HK.

There are other variations depending on the carrier but I think that's the most usual practice.


User currently offlineL1011Lover From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 989 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 16533 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 17):
On a historic note, TWA used only numbers on its widebodies.

Row 15, seat 1 was the wondow seat on the left and 9 (on 767's) on the right. So instead of 15A, you got 151, instead of 15K, you got 157.

I remember this as well. However when I flew on TWA in March 2001 the 767-200ER's I flew on from CDG to JFK TW925 and JFK back to CDG TW924, I sat in seat 36C an aisle seat in the last row on the left hand side.

Well I guess I know why... lol... at the time they were already part of AA and probably adapted to their seat numbering system.  

Does anyone know when exactly TWA changed this? I still have the boarding passes and I'm 100% positive that the placard beneath the overhead compartment on the plane said: 36 A (window) C (aisle)

So they changed that even though the 767-200ER's were quickly withdrawn from service after TWA was bought out by AA. What a waste of money!

Best regards

L1011Lover

[Edited 2007-10-29 01:18:57]

User currently offlineDl_mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1926 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 16450 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 17):
Row 15, seat 1 was the wondow seat on the left and 9 (on 767's) on the right. So instead of 15A, you got 151, instead of 15K, you got 157.

TW always put a dash on widebody seat numbers, the seats above were 15-1 and 15-7.



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User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 16220 times:

Air Canada Airbus 320,321 and 319 have ABC DEF and same goes for B777 have ABC

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