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User currently offlineFlyBoeing From United States of America, joined May 2000, 866 posts, RR: 1
Posted (15 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1311 times:

I'm coming up with some ideas for a new kind of air carrier. I call my idea "Bargainair"- we have 37" of legroom and a 2-4-2 configuration in a 777 coach. We charge 10% more for 30% more space. We fly exclusively the 777 out of JFK code-sharing with JetBlue to get domestic feed to our international routes.

Now I'm thinking of ways to ensure that my planes fly full all the time. My favorite way is to delete the PTVs from my 777s. PTVs reduce legroom (so I've heard, in Delta 777s) and they also are a weight and maintenance burden.

Instead, I'd rather have laptop power ports and Connexion ports for high speed Internet access. We'd offer a special installation CD for Windows and Mac users. For those not inclined to use the Internet on 12-hour flights, I'd have a company design adapters to convert Laptop power for use in personal DVD players, which my airline would rent out to passengers like they do in PHL for US. Perhaps this would be free (a credit card would be needed to guarantee it) , or maybe we'd subsidize it. We'd include 5 free movies. We'd also rent out items such as GameBoys and Rocket eBooks loaded with the latest periodicals and books for our passengers' enjoyment.

What do you guys think? Of course we'd charge for Internet service, but we wouldn't charge usurious rates for it; only enough to cover costs. The Internet service is mainly to get people in our seats.

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User currently offlineLoserkid182 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (15 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 1298 times:

I think its a good idea...Espescially for people like me that cant get away from the internet ROFLOL...   

User currently offlineWatewate From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 2284 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (15 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1285 times:

Remember that most people don't have laptops or won't be travelling with one. I for one always take one along, but yes, it would be nice to have an affordable internet acess on board.

User currently offlineCba From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 4534 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (15 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1282 times:

Crap! 5mbps!!! That's faster than DSL!!!

User currently offlineMaxPowers From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (15 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1272 times:

LOL, Nice try, but realize that some people struggle to buy plane tickets now! You would loose money becasue 1/2 of the kid population has a game boy, internet and everything else would make you LOSE a ton of money! Not to mention pay 10%more for 5 inches. You will loose money. Good luck with the coustom ports-also cost a bundle. Don't forget about the software. Need designers, cd's computers, gaurenteed access to internet with out interuption. Also what about e-boks. Mega bucks when people can just bring a good old fation book. I would love to see you succeed, but for a start up company i hope you could put food on the table!

User currently offlineFlyBoeing From United States of America, joined May 2000, 866 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (15 years 4 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 1259 times:

Yes, that "passenger w/o laptop" notion is a problem. I don't think that it'll be as much of a problem as you think because:

1) There are internet appliances (or will be, by the time I get to run an airline) that I can cheaply purchase for inflight surfing. The Vadem Clio costs $999, about as much as a portable DVD player. I think that $1,000 is a lot cheaper than the cost per seat of a PTV system, as a matter of fact. If we could add Ethernet cards to it so it can attach to the Connexion system, passengers could download their files from a web-based harddrive and work (of course, on only Microsoft programs) ; then upload them once the flight is complete. The CLIO has no moving parts and is unlikely to be damaged by kids as much as a full-fledged laptop is, since laptops have spinning hard drives and fans.

Corollary: Getting people to actually use their laptops on my planes will be difficult. We'd have only web-based reservation systems (or charge money for phone service) so we could e-mail the passengers instructions on how to proceed with being connected in flight. Also we'd give out installation CDs prior to takeoff.

2) My ticket prices are a tad bit higher than usual. That gets rid of certain passengers who would be less likely to carry laptops aboard. I would bet that this also eliminates the passengers who would shop for the cheapest ticket price. In my experience, slightly higher ticket prices filter out the riffraff on airplanes. Note that on my last three Northwest flights (where, as per family directive, I shopped for price rather than service) there was a noticeablely larger fraction of passengers who caused problems like fighting and having the Port Authority police come, needed services such as wheelchairs (on flights to MNL) that cost NWA money to provide, and brought along lots of kids who have a habit for destruction. Fortunately, all of this is eliminated if you make the ticket price higher.

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