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Why Was JetBlue 292 So Newsworthy But Not NW 1432?  
User currently offlineLuv2cattlecall From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 1650 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4845 times:
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I was just wondering if JetBlue 292 has some other special circumstances, in addition to the turned nose landing gear. I ask this because there was a NWA A320 that landed with the same problem a few days ago and I hadn't heard about it until I saw something on Google's stock quote page. Flight Global has a brief article on it

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...-incident-tied-to-cocked-nose.html


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User currently offlinePiedmontINT From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4789 times:

Probably because it wasn't circling to burn off fuel over downtown L.A. with the gear down for all to see.. Not so many news helicopters in Fargo waiting at a moments notice for the next car chase or plane crash like out in L.A....

User currently offlineHikesWithEyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4789 times:

Destination? Jetblue was headed to BUR, so you have the whole LA news media aspect
that wouldn't be present in FAR.
Also, the fact that the passengers on Jetblue were able to watch coverage of their flight on CNN
while enroute sparked a lot of interest.



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User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4701 times:

If a tree falls in the forest, and theres nobody around to hear it.....does it make a noise?



JetBlue flight was in the right place for news.


User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4278 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4605 times:

Quoting USADreamliner (Reply 3):
If a tree falls in the forest, and theres nobody around to hear it.....does it make a noise?



JetBlue flight was in the right place for news.

That's exactly right. Southern Californians, God Bless them, love their news helicopters probably more than any other part of the USA. Give them an hour or two and every news station in the LA area could have their chopper up in the air. Combine that with the fact that, up until that point, JetBlue could seemingly do no wrong and BAM! you have a news story on your hands.

Northwest having a problem and landing in Fargo? As Borat would say, "Not so much."

Glad it was a safe landing and that everybody was OK. Now what the hell is up with Airbus' nosegear assemblies???



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2896 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4577 times:

Quoting HikesWithEyes (Reply 2):
Destination? Jetblue was headed to BUR, so you have the whole LA news media aspect
that wouldn't be present in FAR.

It was departing BUR for JFK, hence it needing to burn off the fuel in the LA area.



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User currently offlinePhelpsie87 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 498 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4543 times:

I got to see the nose gear the next morning after it sat on the runway for about 8 hours. Crazy, insane. Everything was torn up (obviously, right). From what I heard via NW employees that went to FAR for the incident, the flight crew/pax did not realize it had happened until they smelt burning rubber and the flight crew had no nose steering. It took the ground staff an hour to bus everyone to the terminal. We were all surprised that the media hadn't turned up...it stayed that way all day. The aircraft stopped about 200 yards before the end of the runway. Could it have tilted upon landing? Because they should have had an indication or something if it was on final....

User currently offlineHikesWithEyes From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 816 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4463 times:

Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 5):
It was departing BUR for JFK, hence it needing to burn off the fuel in the LA area.

Oops, I knew that, but my point is that it was in the LA area attracted all the media attention.



First, benzene in my Perrier, and now this!
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21544 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4393 times:

Plus it was B6, the then media darling (no more, it seems) and the darling of the LA/NY crowd, who has domain and influence over all that is put in the newspapers.

Nobody who's anybody cares about NW or what happens with them. That's the sad reality.

VX is the new darling now, so when they have a problem eventually, it'll probably make all the news.



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User currently offlineSpencerII From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4359 times:

At the time B6 was the "CHIC" in carrier to be talking about, to fly on & to know something about it. After the
"Valentines Day MeltDown" it was no longer so popular. The lustre had worn off by that time and now they
are like everyone else, the butt end of late night talk show jokes etc.
You could liken them to Brittney Spears.

[Edited 2007-10-29 09:47:43]

[Edited 2007-10-29 09:49:55]

User currently offlineFreakyDeaky From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 132 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4248 times:

JB put all their aiplanes through a nosewheel modification right after that to prevent it from happening again. Did NW do this as well?


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User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7554 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4198 times:

Quoting Luv2cattlecall (Thread starter):
I ask this because there was a NWA A320 that landed with the same problem a few days ago and I hadn't heard about it until I saw something on Google's stock quote page

It wasn't the same problem as jetblue, the nose wheel wasn't likely turned sideways before it landed, NW fleet has the pins installed that are supposed to keep this from happening. Secondly the nose wheel has been known to turn sideways after landing. Why, who knows, some sort of design flaw. If the crew knew that it was cocked sideways like jetblue they would have likely returned to Minneapolis.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4121 times:

>>>Why Was JetBlue 292 So Newsworthy But Not NW 1432?

Two reasons, IMHO...

1. There doesn't appear to have been any video on it, so there was no visual "hook" to grab/keep the viewer's attentions. So, all they had was text, boring text.

2. There was a much bigger story unfolding last weekend that dominated news coverage: the start of the big fires in SoCal. Just like 9/11 pushed stories about that Congresscritter and the missing Chandra Levy off the news, so too did the SoCal fires push a video-less A320 story off, maybe before an A320 one could even be put together...


User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4278 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4121 times:

Quoting SpencerII (Reply 9):
At the time B6 was the "CHIC" in carrier to be talking about, to fly on & to know something about it. After the
"Valentines Day MeltDown" it was no longer so popular. The lustre had worn off by that time and now they
are like everyone else, the butt end of late night talk show jokes etc.
You could liken them to Brittney Spears.

LOL! Then who is American Airlines? Roseanne Barr? Or Phyllis Diller?



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineSpencerII From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4084 times:

Quoting Richierich (Reply 13):
LOL! Then who is American Airlines? Roseanne Barr? Or Phyllis Diller?

Not sure on that one, I was going to say Delta is more like Cher, making combebacks, but I think you would have to give that accolade to USAirways


User currently offlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3123 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3925 times:

Quoting Luv2cattlecall (Thread starter):
and I hadn't heard about it

I heard about the incident and put a post up on the subject. I asked if any people that worked on Airbus aircraft had any ideas or clues as to what may have been causing these 90 degree nose gear turns. I think we all remember when the similar if not identical incident happened to the JetBlue aircraft that you mentioned. Since there is clearly a problem in this area of aircraft I hoped that someone either in maintenance or on the ground might have some ideas.


User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4278 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3912 times:

Quoting KarlB737 (Reply 15):
I heard about the incident and put a post up on the subject. I asked if any people that worked on Airbus aircraft had any ideas or clues as to what may have been causing these 90 degree nose gear turns. I think we all remember when the similar if not identical incident happened to the JetBlue aircraft that you mentioned. Since there is clearly a problem in this area of aircraft I hoped that someone either in maintenance or on the ground might have some ideas.

As far as the nose gear having a mind of its own and locking one way or the other, I think there have been TWO JetBlue incidents (one at JFK, the other at LAX) and also one involving America West. It sounded a lot like we could add NW to this list but I'm wondering if the Fargo incident is actually something else. In the case of the other incidents, the pilots were unable to retract the gear after takeoff.



None shall pass!!!!
User currently offlineAAJFKSJUBKLYN From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 911 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

Lets not forget that the Jet Blue one was big because the passengers were watching their own plane circle on their TV's.

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3854 times:

Quoting AAJFKSJUBKLYN (Reply 17):
Lets not forget that the Jet Blue one was big because the passengers were watching their own plane circle on their TV's.

True.

Ironic that had their takeoff weight been below their max takeoff weight, they would have landed at LGB or LAX before the media could have even turned a single rotor blade...


User currently offlineSuper80DFW From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 1696 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3631 times:

1) Maybe the fires in California
2) It didn't happen in California lol



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User currently offlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2896 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (6 years 12 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3603 times:

Quoting FreakyDeaky (Reply 10):
JB put all their aiplanes through a nosewheel modification right after that to prevent it from happening again. Did NW do this as well?

IIRC, the design flaw applied to particular s/n's for the NLG assemblies themselves. A majority of the B6 fleet was affected in that s/n range. I am not sure about NW, but I am thinking that their A320's are older than B6's so theirs would be affected as well.

But, at the same time everyone said that the modification couldn't be done in house and the NLGs would have to go back to the MFR to be modified. If NW was told the same thing they may be doing just that, but that takes a very long time to rotate through the entire fleet.



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User currently offlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6961 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3305 times:

Been there, done that. First time is news, but when nobody is hurt it becomes a non-event.


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User currently offlineLitz From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1767 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 12 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3206 times:
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Quoting PiedmontINT (Reply 1):
Probably because it wasn't circling to burn off fuel over downtown L.A. with the gear down for all to see.. Not so many news helicopters in Fargo waiting at a moments notice for the next car chase or plane crash like out in L.A....

Realize also, just how entrenched the LA helicopter paparazzi are ... they were the FIRST city in the country to get Hi-Def cameras on their choppers ...

And yes, the 292 flyby, circling, and subsequent landing were all broadcast live in Hi-Def on the local TV stations.

The picture is so clear, you can clearly see the people in the plane looking back out at the helicopter (in some cases, you can even see the MSNBC shots of the airplane on the seatback video panels, through the windows).

- litz


User currently offlinePhelpsie87 From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 498 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 2940 times:

Found out more info tonight. Apparently, the aircraft was 10 minutes late landing in FAR because the flight crew was getting an indication that something was wrong. The indication was not that the gear was cocked, but for some other reason. Flight crew realized on touchdown, but pax did not realize until smoke and burning rubber was smelled. Ground also had no idea until FAR tower called saying "Your plane just landed with flames coming from its nose." Still, hats off to the flight crew for avoiding a potentially bad situation.

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