STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16644 posts, RR: 52 Posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7149 times:
As part of an agreement reached between the US and Japan tens of thousands of Marines, their aircraft and equipment as well as 10,000 dependents will be moving from Okinawa to Guam where CO has a hub. The move is bringing in $15 Billion Dollars worth of Construction to Guam to prepare for their arrival, including new housing, schools, Morale and Welfare facilities, equipment and weapons storage and training areas. The huge construction boom is going to mean alot of new traffic from construction contractors to military personnel, to Civilian Workers (ie teachers etc) heading to Guam. The Marine units identified for relocation from Okinawa include the command element for III Marine Expeditionary Force; the headquarters for 3rd Marine Division, 3rd Marine Logistics Group and 1st Marine Aircraft Wing; and 12th Marines,
CO is studying how best to increase their service to/from Guam to meet the new opportunities. CO's Guam operation currently consists of mostly Japanese leisure traffic, the huge Guam build up which will increase the Island's population 25% will mean greater demand for flights between Guam and the US.
Besides the big Marine Corps move the other services are all going to be growing their presence on the Island, there are huge contracts that are going to be awarded to support their growth between now and 2020.
Army: constructing an ballistic missile defense station
Navy: a new pier capable of berthing a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, plus the home porting of four attack submarines and possibly AEGIS Destroyers.
Air Force: The Air Force is rapidly growing Andersen Air Force base and have recently established a permanent Wing to support operations, in 2009 Global Hawks will be based at Andersen. Four B-2s and several B-52s are forward deployed at Guam where a permanent bomber presence is maintained, the Air Force in the future will start rotating squadrons of F-22s through Guam.
Ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21369 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7096 times:
Non-stop from IAH or LAX looks to finally be a given. From IAH it would require a 777, but LAX could do it with a 764 to keep within the pacific fleet rotation, though it would be weight restricted. A 762 could do it, but CO doesn't send 762s to LAX or GUM now.
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7012 times:
Quoting Humberside (Reply 2): Does this mean theres a chance of CO doing LAX-Guam non stop?
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1): Non-stop from IAH or LAX looks to finally be a given. From IAH it would require a 777, but LAX could do it with a 764 to keep within the pacific fleet rotation, though it would be weight restricted. A 762 could do it, but CO doesn't send 762s to LAX or GUM now
My guess is that LAX-GUM and/or IAH-GUM would be operated with 787s.
Historically DOD and contractors have brought in Filipinos whenever they were working a major project. Politically correct phrasing might state that there aren't enough local workers to provide the required labor force; but it's a different work ethic and I'm not calling it wrong - just a fact of life.
Lumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 21
Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 6307 times:
Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 3): The locals um... prefer a more leisurely life, so most of the workers will likely be Filipinos.
No way. The U.S. immigration laws apply.
Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 8): Historically DOD and contractors have brought in Filipinos whenever they were working a major project
I lived in the Philippines for six years and worked two major contracts with a Filipino workforce. They are outstanding employees. However, Guam is U.S. territory. It won't happen.
In 2000, the U.S. Navy (and Air Force IIRC) outsourced most of it's civil service work force, or that remainder that hadn't been "BRAC'ed" out of existence. I strongly suspect they regret that decision. The Guamanians that I worked with were as talented, competent, and hard working as any employees anywhere. I lived in Guam for five years and would go back tomorrow. Maybe another contract?
[Edited 2007-10-29 15:34:54]
"When all is said and done, more will be said than done".
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32001 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6282 times:
Quoting Flyingcat (Reply 10): A. will it be worth committing a widebody that can be put on other routes to a different region (South America, larger asian cities)
No widebodies nessecary. CO has a hub with a 738 base in Guam. Guam-Japan is easily within the 738s range, and that is what the majority of CO's Guam-Japan routes operate with. I believe all except for a GUM-NRT frequency are with 738s.
Continental Airlines flies to nine cities in Japan - more than any U.S. airline.
ScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6489 posts, RR: 33
Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 6220 times:
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18): I believe all except for a GUM-NRT frequency are with 738s.
Actually, there are still two daily 764 round-trips on GUM-NRT.
Quoting STT757 (Thread starter): CO is studying how best to increase their service to/from Guam to meet the new opportunities. CO's Guam operation currently consists of mostly Japanese leisure traffic, the huge Guam build up which will increase the Island's population 25% will mean greater demand for flights between Guam and the US.
I suppose it could be a mixed blessing as well. Growth in U.S. mainland-Guam traffic could also lead to other U.S. carriers entering the market like HA from HNL or UA from SFO or LAX.
Koruman From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 3464 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6052 times:
Nothing will change. There may be a few more CO services from Honolulu.
What the OP is too polite to say is that the military build-up in Guam is all about the USA adopting a robust stature towards the People's Republic of China. It probably won't impact upon commercial aviation.
STT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16644 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 5993 times:
Quoting Humberside (Reply 2): Does this mean theres a chance of CO doing LAX-Guam non stop?
I think Guam-LAX has the an advantage over Guam-IAH for a couple of main reasons, first the big build up on Guam involves the Marine Corps and their suppliers/contractors. That traffic to Guam will originate at West Coast Marine Corps Depots such as Camp Pendelton, Twenty Nine Palms, Miramar MCAS and Yuma MCAS. Keep in mind it's not just Marines working at or around these bases, in today's military Civilian contractors have a greater role in maintaining Marine readiness. Especially with regards to complicated equipment such as aircraft, you see more and more civilians doing maintenance on active duty aircraft.
This is another real possibility, as the Marine Corps (Kaneohe Bay MCAS), Navy (Pearl Harbor, Kaneohe Bay) , Air Force (Hickam) and Army (Schofield Barracks) all have significant presence in Hawaii including Pacific Command.
Quoting N353SK (Reply 9): Also, is there a potential for a permanent traffic increase, or are we talking a few years time here?
The increase in the Guam population is permanent, as will be the increased traffic.
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