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CO Looks To Benefit On Huge Guam Military Build Up  
User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16820 posts, RR: 51
Posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7248 times:

As part of an agreement reached between the US and Japan tens of thousands of Marines, their aircraft and equipment as well as 10,000 dependents will be moving from Okinawa to Guam where CO has a hub. The move is bringing in $15 Billion Dollars worth of Construction to Guam to prepare for their arrival, including new housing, schools, Morale and Welfare facilities, equipment and weapons storage and training areas. The huge construction boom is going to mean alot of new traffic from construction contractors to military personnel, to Civilian Workers (ie teachers etc) heading to Guam. The Marine units identified for relocation from Okinawa include the command element for III Marine Expeditionary Force; the headquarters for 3rd Marine Division, 3rd Marine Logistics Group and 1st Marine Aircraft Wing; and 12th Marines,

CO is studying how best to increase their service to/from Guam to meet the new opportunities. CO's Guam operation currently consists of mostly Japanese leisure traffic, the huge Guam build up which will increase the Island's population 25% will mean greater demand for flights between Guam and the US.

http://www.pacificmagazine.net/news/...benefit-from-guam-military-buildup

Besides the big Marine Corps move the other services are all going to be growing their presence on the Island, there are huge contracts that are going to be awarded to support their growth between now and 2020.

Army: constructing an ballistic missile defense station

Navy: a new pier capable of berthing a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier, plus the home porting of four attack submarines and possibly AEGIS Destroyers.

Air Force: The Air Force is rapidly growing Andersen Air Force base and have recently established a permanent Wing to support operations, in 2009 Global Hawks will be based at Andersen. Four B-2s and several B-52s are forward deployed at Guam where a permanent bomber presence is maintained, the Air Force in the future will start rotating squadrons of F-22s through Guam.


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7195 times:

Non-stop from IAH or LAX looks to finally be a given. From IAH it would require a 777, but LAX could do it with a 764 to keep within the pacific fleet rotation, though it would be weight restricted. A 762 could do it, but CO doesn't send 762s to LAX or GUM now.


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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7146 times:

Does this mean theres a chance of CO doing LAX-Guam non stop?


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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5368 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7143 times:

GUM-MNL route should prosper; it might even be worth adding GUM-CEB. The locals um... prefer a more leisurely life, so most of the workers will likely be Filipinos.


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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7111 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 2):
Does this mean theres a chance of CO doing LAX-Guam non stop?



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
Non-stop from IAH or LAX looks to finally be a given. From IAH it would require a 777, but LAX could do it with a 764 to keep within the pacific fleet rotation, though it would be weight restricted. A 762 could do it, but CO doesn't send 762s to LAX or GUM now

My guess is that LAX-GUM and/or IAH-GUM would be operated with 787s.


User currently offlineGuamVICE From Guam, joined Jun 2005, 151 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 7010 times:

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 3):
GUM-MNL route should prosper; it might even be worth adding GUM-CEB. The locals um... prefer a more leisurely life, so most of the workers will likely be Filipinos

That's a really educated statement  sarcastic 



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User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6986 times:

At least GUM-HNL #2 is likely

User currently offlineGuamVICE From Guam, joined Jun 2005, 151 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6943 times:

Quoting Dutchjet:
My guess is that LAX-GUM and/or IAH-GUM would be operated with 787s.

Oh I would be all over that! It's time that we had more direct access from GUM to the mainland. a GUM-LAX route would be a very wonderful thing for many of those that skip HNL anyway.

[Edited 2007-10-29 12:36:04]

[Edited 2007-10-29 12:36:34]


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User currently offlineMasseyBrown From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 5368 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6907 times:

Quoting GuamVICE (Reply 5):
That's a really educated statement

Historically DOD and contractors have brought in Filipinos whenever they were working a major project. Politically correct phrasing might state that there aren't enough local workers to provide the required labor force; but it's a different work ethic and I'm not calling it wrong - just a fact of life.



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User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 820 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6782 times:

Sorry to sidetrack the thread, but is there any possibility of NW also starting GUM-Mainland flights?

Also, is there a potential for a permanent traffic increase, or are we talking a few years time here?


User currently offlineFlyingcat From United States of America, joined May 2007, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6736 times:

Will this really be a huge harbinger of new routes. OKA currently does not have currently nonstop US service. Demand will increase but CO will have to grapple with the notion of

A. will it be worth committing a widebody that can be put on other routes to a different region (South America, larger asian cities)

B.take advantage of the move by increasing yields with no change in schedule.

C. Moderate increase in HNL GUM capacity and some regional flight increase.

Don't forget this move will be thorough 2014 and with fuel sky rocketing what may have been a nobrainer before deserves more scrutiny.

CO has always taken the approach of moderate but sustainable expansion. GUM will grow just not overnight.


User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6736 times:

I could see GUM-LAX happening very soon. Would be about time too, an easier way to reach GUM from the mainland.

User currently offlineB6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 816 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6687 times:

i know CO flew GUM - OKA before. anyone know when they stopped the route (any why)? maybe CO will re-open the route again considoring how much gov't traffic they'll be able to get on that route alone.

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User currently offlineCOSPN From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1605 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6592 times:

GUM-OKA was dur to a Milatary contract with CO to move personel In and Out of OKA...

But now there are more comercial flights and easier connections forn NRT and NGO


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6544 times:

i'd like to see LAX-GUM-MNL..........  Smile


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User currently offlineGuamVICE From Guam, joined Jun 2005, 151 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6434 times:

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 8):
Politically correct phrasing might state that there aren't enough local workers to provide the required labor force

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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6050 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6413 times:

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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6406 times:

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 3):
The locals um... prefer a more leisurely life, so most of the workers will likely be Filipinos.

No way. The U.S. immigration laws apply.

Quoting MasseyBrown (Reply 8):
Historically DOD and contractors have brought in Filipinos whenever they were working a major project

I lived in the Philippines for six years and worked two major contracts with a Filipino workforce. They are outstanding employees. However, Guam is U.S. territory. It won't happen.

In 2000, the U.S. Navy (and Air Force IIRC) outsourced most of it's civil service work force, or that remainder that hadn't been "BRAC'ed" out of existence. I strongly suspect they regret that decision. The Guamanians that I worked with were as talented, competent, and hard working as any employees anywhere. I lived in Guam for five years and would go back tomorrow. Maybe another contract?

[Edited 2007-10-29 15:34:54]


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32613 posts, RR: 72
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6381 times:

Quoting Flyingcat (Reply 10):
A. will it be worth committing a widebody that can be put on other routes to a different region (South America, larger asian cities)

No widebodies nessecary. CO has a hub with a 738 base in Guam. Guam-Japan is easily within the 738s range, and that is what the majority of CO's Guam-Japan routes operate with. I believe all except for a GUM-NRT frequency are with 738s.

Continental Airlines flies to nine cities in Japan - more than any U.S. airline.

[Edited 2007-10-29 15:38:48]


a.
User currently offlineAaron747 From Japan, joined Aug 2003, 8021 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6364 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
I believe all except for a GUM-NRT frequency are with 738s.

There are occasional substitutions. At NGO, we sometimes see 762s operating Air Mike flights in high season. It wouldn't be from HNL because that's usually 764.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32613 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6345 times:

Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 19):

There are occasional substitutions. At NGO, we sometimes see 762s operating Air Mike flights in high season. It wouldn't be from HNL because that's usually 764.

That's odd. Where does the 762 rotate in from? There are none based out there, nor rotated in from the mainland.



a.
User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6712 posts, RR: 32
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6319 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 18):
I believe all except for a GUM-NRT frequency are with 738s.

Actually, there are still two daily 764 round-trips on GUM-NRT.

Quoting STT757 (Thread starter):
CO is studying how best to increase their service to/from Guam to meet the new opportunities. CO's Guam operation currently consists of mostly Japanese leisure traffic, the huge Guam build up which will increase the Island's population 25% will mean greater demand for flights between Guam and the US.

I suppose it could be a mixed blessing as well. Growth in U.S. mainland-Guam traffic could also lead to other U.S. carriers entering the market like HA from HNL or UA from SFO or LAX.


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3924 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6171 times:

yes, we have subbed a HNL-NGO flight to a 762 before..........but not the NGO-GUM route. Usually we will swap out the NGO-HNL runs when we ferry a plane to MX in HKG.


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User currently offlineKoruman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6151 times:

Nothing will change. There may be a few more CO services from Honolulu.

What the OP is too polite to say is that the military build-up in Guam is all about the USA adopting a robust stature towards the People's Republic of China. It probably won't impact upon commercial aviation.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16820 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 6092 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 2):
Does this mean theres a chance of CO doing LAX-Guam non stop?

I think Guam-LAX has the an advantage over Guam-IAH for a couple of main reasons, first the big build up on Guam involves the Marine Corps and their suppliers/contractors. That traffic to Guam will originate at West Coast Marine Corps Depots such as Camp Pendelton, Twenty Nine Palms, Miramar MCAS and Yuma MCAS. Keep in mind it's not just Marines working at or around these bases, in today's military Civilian contractors have a greater role in maintaining Marine readiness. Especially with regards to complicated equipment such as aircraft, you see more and more civilians doing maintenance on active duty aircraft.

Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 6):
At least GUM-HNL #2 is likely

This is another real possibility, as the Marine Corps (Kaneohe Bay MCAS), Navy (Pearl Harbor, Kaneohe Bay) , Air Force (Hickam) and Army (Schofield Barracks) all have significant presence in Hawaii including Pacific Command.

Quoting N353SK (Reply 9):
Also, is there a potential for a permanent traffic increase, or are we talking a few years time here?

The increase in the Guam population is permanent, as will be the increased traffic.



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25 787KQ : Pay Guamanians enough and they will do the job and to make the point... The _______ (Texans, Californians, Floridians, Chicagoans) um... prefer a mor
26 United787 : I wonder if a UA to NRT would be something more likely in the near term with a direct connection in the long term. I would love to see Continental op
27 Jetjack74 : I with you on this. For transporting military personnel in and out, I believe the bulk of it will be done like always has been done, with AMC charter
28 Ikramerica : Whatever you say. But in the real world, GUM will have a large increase in American civilians based there as well as American military personnel, and
29 Jgarrido : Be still my heart. Don't rule out 777 service either. The current flight to HNL is always booked and what I've heard from people who work for the com
30 Commavia : True, and the O&D going to and from Guam isn't all just on CO, either. Because CO is pretty much the only game in town, they carry enormous amounts o
31 MasseyBrown : I believe the Navy ship repair facility has a substantial Filipino payroll now. I guess I really stepped in it with my remark. Further explanation pr
32 ThePalauan : 6R/24L is being extended to 10,000 ft. and 6L/24R is possibly going up to 12,000 ft. For those who don't know, aircraft departing 6L backtrack down 6
33 Flysherwood : I have been doing business in Guam for the past 16 years. I can tell you that they will bring guest workers. They will need more workers to handle al
34 Post contains images GuamVICE : There's just not enough locals to handle the sudden influx to Guam's population. Outsourcing of labor will occur, and our neighboring Philippine Isla
35 Post contains images Flysherwood : I wonder if they will increase frequencies GUM-MNL or upgrade to larger aircraft? Flights are always full and the service men will enjoy the opportuni
36 MasseyBrown : When immigrants fill the need for a skill lacking in the local labor force, I believe they can get permanent visas if sponsored by an employer. Some
37 Cospn : Qualified Locals Prefer to work in the Mainland (OR,WA,CA,NV,TX) or Hawaii because of low pay and unfair treatment in Guam... for example overtime , a
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