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Malev To Suspend BUD-YYZ And JFK  
User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10166 times:

Malev's new owners have decided to axe the airlines two trans-atlantic routes for the winter season. Both BUD-YYZ and BUD-JFK will stop operating by mid November and will resume by March/April 2008. MAs B762 will be leased out untill the spring, the B763 will operate the BUD-BKK and charter ops during the winter months.

Sad news, I guess money talks and the North American routes weren't profitable enough to maintain service during the slow winter season. Hopefully this is just a temporary move and these routes will resume year round service once Malev is in a better financial situation. I would imagine that MA will not be receiving the new B763 which was scheduled to enter service in the spring of 2008.


http://www.malev.hu/BP/ENG/I_NEWS_ENG/2007-1029-1551-07PGDK.asp

KrisYYZ

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25056 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10121 times:

I suppose DL operating nonstop to BUD these days does not help MA JFK service.

Anyhow, why does MA need token long haul services anyways? Should instead focus on its small European hub and serving short & medium haul Hungary O&D traffic.



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User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10097 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Thread starter):
I would imagine that MA will not be receiving the new B763 which was scheduled to enter service in the spring of 2008.

IIRC one of MA's two B762ER is to go to Varig this coming November, so if the airline intends to restart its YYZ and JFK services next Spring it'll need another aircraft to replace the one going to Brazil, unless the B763 isn't used on the BKK route anymore.


User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 789 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10098 times:

Doesn't MA run two daily flights to Toronto? Doesn't seem like they would cut this route but I bet they know more about their own flights than do I.

So will this leave MA with no transatlantic service during the winter months?


User currently offlinePEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10040 times:

Well, the word is that MA struck a gr8 deal for leasing out it's 762s and that the 763s are still scheduled to arrive as originally planned. As for JFK and YYZ, now that they are in OW they can offer both destinations with a wide variety of schedules with a minimum inconvenience of small connecting times... at least this is th PR crap that we get. I hope also that this will be temporary and that the new owners will stand up to their promises and expand MA drastically in both Short and long-haul.


Peet7G
User currently offlineFun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9915 times:

In the early 90's, the Malev JFKJ>BUD route was a pretty good experience all the times I took them. Sad to see them taking a downturn. Nice to have Unicum on the flight to pass the time.

User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2358 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9901 times:

For years I've been wishing for AA to begin ORD or JFK to BUD. What is the premium traffic like on US-BUD routes?


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User currently offlineOceansWorld From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9858 times:

Quoting Fun2fly (Reply 5):
Nice to have Unicum on the flight to pass the time.
      I personally prefer some Tokaji.

For those who don't know what Unicum is...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicum

[Edited 2007-10-29 13:11:54]

User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2996 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9687 times:

Quoting Fun2fly (Reply 5):
Nice to have Unicum on the flight to pass the time.

Do they really serve Unicum on Malev? That's fantastic!

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 7):
I personally prefer some Tokaji.

For those who don't know what Unicum is...

I got hooked on both after my visit to Budapest last year. It's not easy to get Unicum in NYC, but I finally found a place that sells it. Tokaji is somewhat easier to find, but the good stuff isn't cheap!



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User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2603 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 9563 times:

That hurts. It was my favourite way how to reach the family in Europe...

Quoting Bartond (Reply 3):
Doesn't MA run two daily flights to Toronto?

No. It wasn't even daily. IIRC it was 5 times a week.


User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9399 times:

Quoting OceansWorld (Reply 2):
IIRC one of MA's two B762ER is to go to Varig this coming November, so if the airline intends to restart its YYZ and JFK services next Spring it'll need another aircraft to replace the one going to Brazil, unless the B763 isn't used on the BKK route anymore.

True. AFAIK, LHA was suppose to be going to RG in October, but I flew on her from YYZ to BUD this past friday. That would mean that LHB will be leased out in the coming weeks as well. This news kind of surprised me as none of the MA crew on my flight was aware of the winter suspension of service.

Quoting PEET7G (Reply 4):
Well, the word is that MA struck a gr8 deal for leasing out it's 762s and that the 763s are still scheduled to arrive as originally planned.

That would make sense as both of the B762 have low cycles thereby making them very attractive on the leasing market.

Quoting PEET7G (Reply 4):
now that they are in OW they can offer both destinations with a wide variety of schedules with a minimum inconvenience of small connecting times

As stated in the press release, MA customers will be able to connect to JFK via AA from ZRH. I guess the only connection to YYZ using OW would be BA from LHR, but since MA doesnt operate to LHR anymore, MA customers would have to fly with BA for the entire route. I would imagine that such connection would make fares rise considerably than what MA charged for the non-stop service.

Quoting PEET7G (Reply 4):
I hope also that this will be temporary and that the new owners will stand up to their promises and expand MA drastically in both Short and long-haul.

So do I my friend. But I foresee further cuts in service and in the fleet untill MA starts making money.

Didnt OK also stop its PRG-YUL-YYZ service? If so, eastern europe will be much more expensive to reach from Toronto.

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9332 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 10):
Didnt OK also stop its PRG-YUL-YYZ service? If so, eastern europe will be much more expensive to reach from Toronto.

OK is reportedly cancelling it's flights to Canada sometime in the near future. This may give OS & LO reason to increase their winter services to VIE & WAW respectively, which are also traditionally scaled back during the winter.



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User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2603 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9275 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 10):
Didnt OK also stop its PRG-YUL-YYZ service? If so, eastern europe will be much more expensive to reach from Toronto.

Not only that. It is a complication for many of our relatives, who don't speak English and live in the region. A nonstop flight from BUD or the KSC-PRG-YYZ route was an excellent solution. VIE is much further away and the connection to WAW is so shitty, that it isn't even worth to mention it.
Furthermore, I know a lot of people flying to other Eastern European destinations trough PRG or BUD. Now all that will be gone.


User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3236 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9119 times:

 no 

Quoting PEET7G (Reply 4):
I hope also that this will be temporary and that the new owners will stand up to their promises and expand MA drastically in both Short and long-haul.

I also hope this is temporary. Leaving long-haul market is not a good idea, but it is not very wise to keep it going with the product that is beasically the same as it was in 1993 when those services were introduced.

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 10):
True. AFAIK, LHA was suppose to be going to RG in October, but I flew on her from YYZ to BUD this past friday

Will you write a trip report and show us some pics, too?  bouncy 



R-E-S-P-E-C-T
User currently offlinePnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2235 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 9119 times:

In short order the other day AeroSvit, Aeroflot, and Lot all landed in a row at YYZ. CSA and Malev cutting back will increase what people have to pay to get to those locations. There are so many connecting flights through Frankfurt, Munich, Dusseldorf, and even LHR (if you are very very desperate) that getting there will be a pain but possible. My German friend brags all the time to me about his cheap fares to Prague. I think he is exagerating or leaving off the taxes.

User currently offlineVictorKilo From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9041 times:

Quoting WildcatYXU (Reply 12):
Furthermore, I know a lot of people flying to other Eastern European destinations trough PRG or BUD. Now all that will be gone.

When I flew the JFK-BUD sector on MA back in the summer of 2006, I'd say that over half the flight had connections at BUD onward to other Eastern European destinations, primarily SKP and TIA. The MA staff had a difficult time communicating with many of them who spoke only one language - which wasn't English or Hungarian.


User currently offlineTransair737 From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8907 times:

Too bad a shot of Unicum sure would be great before having a nap for the rest of the flight!

User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 7258 times:

Tarom stopped their service completely. I always liked the service on Malev.

User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6679 times:

Quoting Aleksandar (Reply 13):
Will you write a trip report and show us some pics, too?

For sure, I took lots of pics and some videos. I'll PM you when I post my trip report.


KrisYYZ


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11523 posts, RR: 61
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6474 times:

Is MALEV just not really wanting to justify a small fleet of 767s anymore, just for a few longhaul flights to JFK, YYZ, BKK, etc.? As for the JFK flight, specifically, if MALEV no longer wanted to operate the small 767 fleet, perhaps they could work out some sort of revenue-sharing deal with AA for AA to operate the route daily with one of their 763s. On the other hand, though, MALEV/Hungary may not want to lose this very prestigious (BUD-JFK) route.

User currently offlineAF022 From France, joined Dec 2003, 2159 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6432 times:

Who are they leasing their B762 to?

User currently offlineAisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 762 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6257 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 19):
if MALEV no longer wanted to operate the small 767 fleet, perhaps they could work out some sort of revenue-sharing deal with AA for AA to operate the route daily with one of their 763s

That's being currently worked out. Earlier this year, AA applied for Antitrust inmunity with transatlantic partners IB, AY, MA and RJ. Maybe we'll see a 50-50 profit-sharing AA 763 doing JFK-BUD in March'08 but that's no going to help the language issues with eastern Europe passengers stated above.


User currently offlineFUN2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1035 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 6120 times:

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 8):
Quoting Fun2fly (Reply 5):
Nice to have Unicum on the flight to pass the time.

Do they really serve Unicum on Malev? That's fantastic!

Glad to see someone else appreciates having local drinks served on the flight. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure the DL service won't have it.

I now see this marketed in the US as ZWACK - must have a better marketing name. Available in the local stores in the midwest. Proceed w/caution.


User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5895 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 19):
Is MALEV just not really wanting to justify a small fleet of 767s anymore, just for a few longhaul flights to JFK, YYZ, BKK, etc.? As for the JFK flight, specifically, if MALEV no longer wanted to operate the small 767 fleet, perhaps they could work out some sort of revenue-sharing deal with AA for AA to operate the route daily with one of their 763s. On the other hand, though, MALEV/Hungary may not want to lose this very prestigious (BUD-JFK) route.

The problem is not with the small fleet of 767s, but with the enormous costs of operating a small number of trans-atlantic flights. Toronto is one of the most expensive airports to operate out of, JFK isnt cheap either. A Malev employee told me that even if their B762 is operating at full capacity out of YYZ, the airline still ends up losing a small amount of money. The sale conditions set by the Hungarian Government that MA was bought under make the cancellation of long-haul service to North America by the new owners next to impossible.

The plan is to have 3 B763s by early 2009, but who knows if that will actually happen.

Quoting AF022 (Reply 20):
Who are they leasing their B762 to?

No idea.

The paperwork to suspend the flights was suppose to be signed and by the end of today so the airline may inform the involved authorities (NYPA, GTAA, FAA, NAV Can, etc.) According to an MA employee the suspension wasn't confirmed today and both trans-atlantic flights are still open on the airlines computer system.

KrisYYZ


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2996 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5854 times:

Quoting FUN2FLY (Reply 22):
Glad to see someone else appreciates having local drinks served on the flight. Unfortunately, I'm pretty sure the DL service won't have it.

I don't believe they do. However, in fairness to DL, when I took their JFK-BUD nonstop I thought the service was excellent, and I was impressed to see at least two Hungarian-speaking flight attendants on board.

Quoting FUN2FLY (Reply 22):
I now see this marketed in the US as ZWACK - must have a better marketing name. Available in the local stores in the midwest. Proceed w/caution.

Yes, but one thing to watch out for is that what they sell here as "Zwack Liqueur", in the same round bottle but with a red cap, is not the same as Unicum. I believe it's what they sell in Hungary as "Unicum Next"--it's sweeter and (I think) sort of tastes like cough syrup. Real Unicum is also available at some stores, but check the label.



Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire
25 FUN2FLY : That kind of detail will get you on my respected user list. Nice work. Next time I have some, I'll toast one to you.
26 Donder10 : I think it's about 5 weekly in summer with 2 different fligh Maybe the previous guy thought it was 2 daily because Malev use 2 different flight numbe
27 FoxBravo : Cheers!
28 Post contains images AFGMEL : I was considering flying them from BKK. Good deal. Then my travel agent told me that they were suspending BKK next (northern hemisphere) summer becaus
29 Commavia : To me, it is starting to sound more and more like with MALEV's justifiable aversion to operating such a small sub-fleet and such a small long-haul net
30 AlitaliaMD11 : HA-LHA will be leased to Varig and HA-LHB to Oman Air.
31 AF022 : I'm a little confused. Wouldn't they get rid of all their 767s or none? Leasing out HA-LHB makes a small fleet smaller, no? And why would Oman Air wa
32 AlitaliaMD11 : They are leasing out the 767-200 fleet and will keep the 767-300 to do sub-charters to BKK. I'm assuming Oman Air is leasing out the 767-200 to get a
33 Alespesl : I beleive that CSA still operates their flights to YYZ , YUL and JFK and will continue to operate them. Probably there will be even more connecting p
34 WildcatYXU : CSA was about to operate the flights to Canada until June next year. However, with the recent changes Czechs may discover Canada again and that may g
35 KrisYYZ : Slight correction. MA BUD-JFK operate under MA 90/91 BUD-YYZ operate MA 94/95 for the earlier flights on Tuesdays and Saturdays and MA 96/97 for the
36 Post contains links Viscount724 : Canada also just eliminated the visa requirement for Czechs (and Latvians) visiting Canada which should help OK traffic to Canada, although I believe
37 OceansWorld : HA-LHA has been ferried yesterday (November 1st) BUD-TLV before going to Varig as PR-VAC. HA-LHB will be wet-leased to Oman Air 23 Nov 2007-late Marc
38 KrisYYZ : I herd on the news last night that a Canadian Government delegation will be coming to Budapest next week to discuss eliminating the VISA requirement
39 LACA773 : I'm sorry to hear MA is cutting their JFK flights. I hope they'll bring them back as a stronger and thriving carrier. By chance how's DL doing on thei
40 OceansWorld : MA's long-haul fleet is now down to just one B767 as HA-LHB has been ferried yesterday to CHR to be painted in Oman Air colors.
41 LACA773 : That's really sad. I'm sorry to hear that. What will MA eventually do about longhaul? LACA773
42 AF022 : When does Oman Air get their own long-haul aircraft? What are they going to do after the winter season? What are they going to do with the aircraft th
43 Post contains links OceansWorld : To start five times weekly flights to BKK. http://www.omanair.aero/wy/aboutus/a..._media_presrelses/releases_141.htm My guess is that their first A33
44 KrisYYZ : So there might be 2 MA 767s parked at BKK sometimes? that would be an interesting sight. I doubt that they would repaint LHB since the wet-lease is o
45 Post contains links Gordarpi : Here we go: http://lflx.free.fr/ha-lhb-01.jpg
46 OceansWorld : I didn't answer to it before, but I thought that if Oman Air pays for it, they'll do it anyway. Was the picture taken at BUD ? Thanks for sharing.[Ed
47 777way : Wikipedia says they are quitting Bangkok too.
48 OceansWorld : It doesn't really say that they are quitting BKK, and it is an unsourced information.
49 KrisYYZ : " target=_blank>http://lflx.free.fr/ha-lhb-01.jpg Great pic! The Oman c/s make LHB look really stubby. At least she will get a fresh coat of paint wh
50 OceansWorld : I can understand that, but to begin with, it is just for a few months. And then if that helps to keep them on the pay roll in their "own" company on
51 777way : Now there is.
52 Post contains links and images OceansWorld : Still no source. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malev_Hungarian_Airlines_destinations
53 777way : I meant the person being told by his travel agent, wikipedia usually never carries any sources for such information, but its updated often with reliab
54 KrisYYZ : MA's BKK service is seasonal, it doesn't run during the summer. I'm not sure as to when it ends, but April sounds about right. KrisYYZ
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