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Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI  
User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2121 posts, RR: 7
Posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 21945 times:

It seems as though our friend Carmen is swamped with work these days, so here it goes...



Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI: Better than Cerveza Gallo!  silly  drunk  faint 


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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6165 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 21941 times:

Quoting Viaggiare (Thread starter):
Central American Aviation Thread - Part XVI: Better than Cerveza Gallo!       

Thanks for using my line!

Seems as though CO is considering a permanent third bank of IAH-Central Am. flights......this comes from another thread....jsut passign on the gossip



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User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2121 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 21930 times:

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 1):
Thanks for using my line!

Sure! I couldn't possibly pass it up. Now if Juanchito could only arrange to have a few of 'em Chicas Gallo join us for a CentAm thread meet at FRS that'd be something else.

Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 1):
Seems as though CO is considering a permanent third bank of IAH-Central Am. flights......this comes from another thread....jsut passign on the gossip

We get three at SJO as it is now, and even had a fourth on Saturdays for a while just recently.



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User currently offlineJuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1186 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 21921 times:

Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 2):
Sure! I couldn't possibly pass it up. Now if Juanchito could only arrange to have a few of 'em Chicas Gallo join us for a CentAm thread meet at FRS that'd be something else.

Let me find out if they could go.

Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 2):
We get three at SJO as it is now, and even had a fourth on Saturdays for a while just recently.

My brother work at CO, and they have 2 daily flights to Houston and an extra one on Saturdays, soon to be 3 daily.

Juanchito



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User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2121 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 21907 times:

Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 2):
We get three at SJO as it is now

I take that back, sorry. We're currently down to two frequencies (CO1485/CO1490 out of SJO and CO1528/CO1499 out of IAH) and three on Saturdays (those two plus CO1447 out of SJO and CO1581 out of IAH).



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6165 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 21895 times:

Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 4):
I take that back, sorry. We're currently down to two frequencies (CO1485/CO1490 out of SJO and CO1528/CO1499 out of IAH) and three on Saturdays (those two plus CO1447 out of SJO and CO1581 out of IAH).

This is the same as BZE..but eveidently they want to make the 3 daily a permanent fixture instead of it being sat only or seasonal...

they want one bank from IAH around 9am, the second around midday and the third between 3 & 6 depending on its destination and RON location



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User currently offlineAer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 21894 times:

Quoting Juanchito (Reply 3):
My brother work at CO, and they have 2 daily flights to Houston and an extra one on Saturdays, soon to be 3 daily.

I thought the third flight out of GUA was seasonal... I checked their schedules yesterday and only found 2 listed.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6165 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 21883 times:

Quoting Aer (Reply 6):
I thought the third flight out of GUA was seasonal... I checked their schedules yesterday and only found 2 listed.

Most of the more popular routes in Cent Am have either a 3rd daily (seasonal) or a 3rd on Sat....CO wants to make the 3rd daily year round.....

I think routes like PTY/SJO/GUA/SAL/BZE could definitely suustain it. In fact we (BZE) have been clamouring for a RON (RJ at least) for quite awhile to help us make those Euro connections without having to overnight at IAH on the return



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User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 21876 times:

Hi my friends

I have one question. What aircraft does Air Comet fly to SJO?

regards
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User currently offlineJuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1186 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 21873 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Reply 8):
Hi my friends

I have one question. What aircraft does Air Comet fly to SJO?

regards

Last time I was in SJO I saw a A310

Juanchito



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User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2121 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 21857 times:

Quoting Juanchito (Reply 9):
Quoting RootsAir (Reply 8):
I have one question. What aircraft does Air Comet fly to SJO?

Last time I was in SJO I saw a A310

We were getting an A343 initially, but nowadays it's usually the A332s. Haven't seen an A313 myself, but apparently they're using those as well sometimes.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 21830 times:

Hello all !
Hey Viaggiare, thank you for starting the Gallo thread !
I missed my favourite Central American brand: Tona from Nicaragua !
I've just added some information from the last edition.


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Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 164):
I take it you actually meant SJO-DAV mid to late-morning (so as to channel traffic from the JFK, LAX, and MIA incoming flights) and DAV-SJO early to mid-afternoon (to connect with the JFK, LAX, and MIA outgoing flights).


I have a different hypothesis for Sansa San Jose - David:
RZ doesn't care these immediate international connections for SJO-DAV.
RZ is getting a standardized baggage policy for all regional flights established at one piece with maximum weight of 25 pounds [12 kg].
There is no compatibility of baggage allowance between Airbus equipment and regional aircrafts. The same policy applies either for Cessna Grand Caravan or ATR.
http://www.flysansa.com/baggage_policy.html
RZ is also studying MGA-SAL.


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Quoting Tomascubero (Reply 172):
Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 171):
AA will be competing soon with NK in the route FLL/SJO/SJO. I think that the inaugural flight is schedule for mid November.

Correct, inaugural flight is 13th December and it will be daily:

FLL-SJO:

14:15 (13 Dec) Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood Intl Apt Flight number - AA 2113
16:10 (13 Dec) San Jose Juan Santamaria Apt Aircraft type - 738

SJO:FLL

17:35 (13 Dec) San Jose Juan Santamaria Apt Flight number - AA 2112
21:15 (13 Dec) Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood Intl Apt Aircraft type - 738

I will be taking the flight the 27th of December and returning January the 29th, I got the roundtrip with taxes for $178.30, yes you read right, $178.30. Almost the same price for a one-way with tax on NK.

AA SJO-FLL will be absolutely year-round. AA doesn't tend to serve seasonal flights as other U.S. carriers do in Central America.
Maybe the red-eye NK SJO-FLL will be launched once again when AA begins their new operations splitting services to South Florida.
Based on Tomas' experience with his ticket fare, AA has matched the fares in the same Central American stations where NK is currently flying: SJO, GUA, MGA and SAP. They're trying to pulled out NK from Central American skies.
Full analysis in Central American thread version 13.
In the Caribbean, AA will also start FLL-SDQ and they're already operating FLL-SJU and FLL-PAP.
SDQ, SJU and PAP are getting service to FLL on NK as well.


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Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 167):
TA has been basically an Airbus operator for a long time deploying the 319, 320 and 321 families.
Something similar happened when CM didn't follow their instincts when acquired the 190 over the 736 being purely a Boeing operator: 738 and 73G Next Generation.

TA eyed carefully how CM was doing with the Embraer equipment.
It's not an issue concerning if the Central American carriers shall keep the same family of airplanes.
Nowadays, it is rather a matter about how the most suitable airplane grants better yields during the upcoming commercial service that essentially means much money for the air carrier making the business sense comes through.
TACA closed the deal choosing technically the best 100-seat airplane as Copa Airlines did.


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Quoting Yellowtail (Reply 1):
CO is considering a permanent third bank of IAH-Central Am. flights

How CO is doing at this time from IAH:
Two bank arrangements: BZE, GUA, SAL, PTY and SJO. Not necessarily 14x weekly flights in some of them.
One bank arrangement: MGA, SAP, TGU and LIR. Not necessarily 7x weekly flights in some of them.
IAH-RTB 2x weekly on Saturdays.

Feel free to correct my posts at anytime !  Smile
Regards.



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User currently offlineYellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6165 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 21801 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 11):
How CO is doing at this time from IAH:

I can only speak of SJO/BZE/PTY...all very very well. they are minting money in BZE...yields, because the Government fixes the prices, are excellent. we are at 15XIAH from BZE



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 21796 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 11):
I have a different hypothesis for Sansa San Jose - David:
RZ doesn't care these immediate international connections for SJO-DAV.
RZ is getting a standardized baggage policy for all regional flights established at one piece with maximum weight of 25 pounds [12 kg].

With that kind of thinking, RZ SJO-DAV route will be dead before it even starts to fly.
The main reason why Air Panama DAV-SJO route has not been more succesful is that they don't provide any formal interline connectons in SJO. If DAV-SJO was operated by CM or by Air Panama with CM flightnumber originating in PTY, it wouild be another story.



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User currently offlineCM767 From Panama, joined Dec 2004, 654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 21782 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 13):
If DAV-SJO was operated by CM or by Air Panama with CM flightnumber originating in PTY, it wouild be another story.

I agree with you on this, and I wonder if CM has approached Air Panama with this. On the other hand, not sure if true but heard a rumor that CM is not happy that the name Air Panama, since CM owned that name for a while, apparently some one did not believe that it was necessary to keep it register and it was taken later on by Mapiex/Turismo Aereo.



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User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2121 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 21754 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 11):
TA eyed carefully how CM was doing with the Embraer equipment.

Although airlines should definitely keep a watchful eye on its direct competitors, TA seems to be so obsessed with whatever CM does, that I sometimes wonder whether Kriete and his immediate staff are getting any sleep.

Some of Copa's proven success ideas might work well in the TA environment, the E190s being a case in point. However, other attempts at trying to emulate the competition fail miserably, as with the SDQ flights.

Kriete once said: "We believe we are the best management team in the industry south of the border."

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User currently offlineMt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6594 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 21742 times:
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Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 15):
TA seems to be so obsessed with whatever CM does

You think Coca-Cola is not obsessed with what Pepsi does?

Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 15):
emulate the competition

I give them more credit than that. CM and TA serve totally different markets.

Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 15):

Kriete once said: "We believe we are the best management team in the industry south of the border."

Well, I would not call them the best - but hell - they are up there - How many Airbuses do you have operating?



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User currently offlineCM767 From Panama, joined Dec 2004, 654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 21725 times:

Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 15):
Some of Copa's proven success ideas might work well in the TA environment, the E190s being a case in point. However, other attempts at trying to emulate the competition fail miserably, as with the SDQ flights.

If TA is following CM steps, they better look closer, some people and I agree with them, believe that the E190 was sort of a mistake, CM traffic is growing so much that they are in need of more 800´s and less E190s. For some of us, a few routes could use a 900, for example LAX, MEX, SDQ and without a doubt BOG.

The E190 is the best option without a doubt, to open thin routes, but after a few moths the limited cargo hold and 100 seats are to small for most markets, yes the trip cost are way lower than of the 700, but that is beneficial only if you do not have to leave behind pax and cargo.



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User currently offlineCM767 From Panama, joined Dec 2004, 654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 21711 times:

Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 15):
fail miserably, as with the SDQ flights.

I believed that this route would work, what happened?



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 21707 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 11):
AA doesn't tend to serve seasonal flights as other U.S. carriers do in Central America.

Actually AA used to fly JFK-SJO with an AB6 seasonally in the summer (no idea if that flight was re-instated), and AA will restart their seasonal LAX-SJO flight with a 757 this autumn.


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32777 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 21699 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 19):

Actually AA used to fly JFK-SJO with an AB6 seasonally in the summer (no idea if that flight was re-instated), and AA will restart their seasonal LAX-SJO flight with a 757 this autumn.

JFK-SJO operated 4x weekly during the winter. Winter 2003/04 and winter 2004/05, IIRC.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 11):
AA SJO-FLL will be absolutely year-round. AA doesn't tend to serve seasonal flights as other U.S. carriers do in Central America.

Correct, it will be year-round.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 11):
In the Caribbean, AA will also start FLL-SDQ and they're already operating FLL-SJU and FLL-PAP.

In addition, they are looking at FLL-MGA.



a.
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 21692 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):
JFK-SJO operated 4x weekly during the winter. Winter 2003/04 and winter 2004/05, IIRC.

Curious, I always thought it was during the summer. Thanks for the correction though.


User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 21683 times:

Quoting Juanchito (Reply 9):
Last time I was in SJO I saw a A310



Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 10):
We were getting an A343 initially, but nowadays it's usually the A332s. Haven't seen an A313 myself, but apparently they're using those as well sometimes.

that's cool to see SJO getting the different models. I wonder which of the 332, 343 and 310 is most comfortable to fly in ?

 regards  wave 



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User currently offlineViaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2121 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 21674 times:

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 16):
How many Airbuses do you have operating?

Somewhat of a misguided question, to put it lightly. And what's with the covert hostility, anyway? Suffice it to say that I'm pretty successful at what I do, which btw has nothing to do with the airline industry.

Quoting Mt99 (Reply 16):
CM and TA serve totally different markets.

What kind of nonsense are we up against here? Hasn't TA been trying to connect South America (BOG, CCS, GYE, LIM, UIO) with the Caribbean (SDQ, HAV) and North America (JFK, LAX, MEX, MIA) through its SJO hub? What are the E190s for, if not to more aggressively compete with CM on the existing MGA, SAP, TGU (and possibly new BAQ, CLO, and MDE) routes out of SJO, along with smaller market experiments out of LIM and SAL? Aren't they both after a healthy mix of business and leisure travelers? Didn't TA scramble both its legal department, along with its political contacts/beneficiaries/cronies within the Salvadoran government, three years ago to effectively stonewall the increased competition from CM on its home turf? So, yes, TA does compete with CM in many of the same markets, although they'd no doubt feel a lot less anxious in the midst of a captive market.

And since I'm no fan of TA myself (admittedly because LR deserved a much more dignified fate) perhaps you could do some part-time consulting for its board of directors. Can't think of a better way right now to hasten their demise.



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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 21671 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):
In addition, they are looking at FLL-MGA.

Makes sense, the Sweetwater area has tons of Nicaraguans, FLL-MGA can take the brute of the O&D traffic (I once read FLL was MGA's largest int'l O&D market) and Miami can handle the connecting and premium traffic.



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25 Aer : I've always found it funny that every time that an airline has ordered E190s, everyone quickly says it's a mistake hehe.
26 MAH4546 : Considering that Little Havana is the center of Miami's Nicaraguan community (Nicaraguans actually represent the largest Central American community i
27 Post contains images Mt99 : Exactly my point! Same markets maybe - but not same "market segments"..CM tends to cater to the business traveler more (like Continental) - while TAC
28 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : I have two points: a. An eventual interline understanding Copa Airlines - Air Panama implies operations in different airports in Panama City: PTY and
29 Viaggiare : NK is PTY-bound! 3x weekly service to begin 1/31/08. To put it in Yellowtail's words, this comes from another thread....just passing on the gossip.
30 2travel2know : One would have to check if Air Panama will be willing to fly PTY-DAV-SJO w/CM codeshare instead of PAC-DAV-SJO. Air Panama operates F27, it'll be ver
31 Post contains images Carmenlu15 : That, and swamped with a.net emails since this site refuses to work... Thanks for starting the thread! Yo quiero... Fare alert! Both MX and TA have s
32 Aer : Ok, so they weren't scared of AM (for obvious reasons) but could this be a reaction towards Interjet?
33 Juanchito : AM did not enter with really cheaps flights to GUA market. (correct me if I am wrong) Juanchito
34 Luisca : About bloody time!, finally affordable fares to PTY from south Florida! my family just payd 900 a piece for a ticket to come to my graduation.
35 Carmenlu15 : I would think so... About freakin' time I think, $600+ for a ticket is ridiculous IMO. Nope, they had the same fares... no way they would compete wit
36 Aer : Nope, in fact they were more expensive than MX or TA. That's why they (MX / TA) never had to lower their prices at all. Seriously
37 Post contains links and images Viaggiare : Here's an interesting shot from today's edition of La Nación, and taken yesterday afternoon at a stadium in Costa Rica, where the wash from this heli
38 LACA773 : How's DL out of LAX to GUA? Has CM thought about adding an additional flight to LAX since their flights go out so full? Any thoughts about CM purchasi
39 Viaggiare : For its increased seating capacity (180 pax) you mean? All relevant markets in this hemisphere are within reach of their current fleet, so range (3,2
40 2travel2know : I would think that CM has thought about a 2nd daily PTY-LAX, in a similar schedule like they've with SCL, EZE and GRU; but in the case of LAX it woul
41 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : Nowadays connections from South America are available to both SJO and SAL hubs due to the existence of TA LIM-SJO and TA LIM-SAL. For operations insi
42 LACA773 : Thankyou for the great information. It sounds like CM is doing very very well @ LAX though it seems like adding an additional flight to LAX isn't ver
43 Luisca : Yes, they are expecting a lot of charter traffic, that is why the airport is being renovated. DAV is the main gateway to the Boquete and Bocas areas,
44 Post contains links and images LTU932 : http://www.nacion.com/viva/2007/octubre/31/viva1297363.html (Spanish only) Iron Maiden is coming to town! They're coming to give a concert on February
45 Viasa : On JP.net I found a picture of Costa Rica Skies's MD-82 (TI-BBH). There is a remark, that Cost Rica Skies will start scheduled operations on 2nd of No
46 CM767 : Do not get me wrong, The E190 is turning to be a great aircraft, my point is, that is to small for some CM routes, that quickly are in need of a 737,
47 Tomascubero : Correct, I think the 2003/04 season it was AB6 and I do remember the 2004/05 to be the 752, the flight had very similar times like the new AA FLL fli
48 LTU932 : The only thing I know is that they're flying to and from ADZ, but I believe those flights were nothing but route proving.
49 SJOtoLIR : SAL-LAX is a key route for TA operating up to three daily flights sometimes with their own aircrafts, taking into account the daily service with 321.
50 GARUDAROD : Do any of you fine Central American aficiandos know of a cargo airline based in SJO by the name of Phoenix-Airlines. They operate B727F. I can not fin
51 LACA773 : Thanks for the information. In fact I was thinking that during the upcoming holiday season, is it safe to say TA/LR can run 321 to GUA, SAL & SJO fro
52 AA767LOVER : In December, Guate also gets a 757 from IAH to GUA. I saw it last Christmas while on the pool deck at Holiday Inn, here in Guate. We should meet up s
53 AA767LOVER : I had thought that the 739 doesn't have very good range? Might look good, but doesn't mean it flies good. I'm one of the ones who thinks CM should ha
54 Post contains images Tomascubero : Hi There, Well I shouldn't be saying or posting this but the details about Phoenix Airlines were told to me a long time ago (2 years maybe?). A frien
55 GARUDAROD : Tomas, Thank you for the info. I am wondering why you said you shouldn't post anything about them? I heard about the incident in PTY but I thought it
56 Tomascubero : Hi There, I said it because when the photos were sent and that they were not sure if to start and if the scheme was to be seen publically but it was
57 Post contains links Tomascubero : Ok I just called my friend at COOPESA and says there are no 727's there at the moment, and I do recall this coming down from the Desert even though it
58 CM767 : I believe that the 900 without additional fuel tanks can go about 2,700 nm Theoretically the following are in range: PTY (09°04'17"N 79°23'00"W) HA
59 Post contains images LAXintl : Hola to all our Central American A.net compadres. Bit of info I posted in another thread about Spirit Airlines is that it will discontinue its daily L
60 Aer : I was proven right! Well maybe a good airline can fill in the slot. Speaking about LCCs, how does Interjet seem to you?
61 Post contains links and images SJOtoLIR : I don't believe this way because they only have four 321s in their entirely fleet. On the other hand, the 321s are being used as well for the routes
62 Aer : So NK is really doing bad in GUA then? I would have never imagine that, well AA and TA must be happy.
63 Viaggiare : Now this one isn't an ethnic vfr market, so the downgrade probably has very little to do with the web bookings and onboard purchases challenges that
64 Yellowtail : Doubt it. I think you will see the same thing if NK comes to BZE.....although they will get about 60% of the pax being US originating .....locals her
65 SJOtoLIR : TA has displayed the schedule for the new service SAL-MGA-SAL on ATR. They are already operating 2x daily SAL-MGA with Airbus equipment. LR 717.......
66 LACA773 : I was wondering how Spirit was doing on the LAX-GUA route. They are basically completely bare bones. I know they charge to check even one bag not to
67 2travel2know : I don't think any airline is ordering the standard B737-900 since Boeing launched the -900ER version. 1-2 B737-900ER could do wonders for CM route ne
68 Luisca : CM will fly 4x Day to HAV starting in January, according to La Prensa. Also CM received a new 738 last week bringing the total fleet to 26 737s and 10
69 2travel2know : I'm still waiting for CM to add SCU on their network, a twice/thrice weekly E190 PTY-SCU, regardless of the times would more likely be a good perform
70 Luisca : Again you run into the same problem of having a small sub fleet of aircraft, it kills your flexibility. Besides the 170 and 175 are slightly differen
71 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : I am not aware about the current status, but they are expecting one more 321, as far as I know. "TACA placed an order for 14 additional aircraft to a
72 LACA773 : " target=_blank>http://www.ch-aviation.ch/aircraft.p..._op=1 Thanks so much for the information SJOtoLIR! It's greatly apreciated. I learn more and m
73 2travel2know : SCU is Cuba 2nd largest city, it's closer to Jamaica and Haïti than HAV. It's true that SCU isn't a huge tourist destination like VRA but is located
74 2travel2know : Luisca, what are your opinions on B737-700 cargo/passenger? Boeing has (or had) a B737-700 combi version available and surely that B737 version would
75 Viaggiare : Flight CM796 doing the SAP-SJO-PTY run this morning seems to have experienced some sort of mechanical failure. SJO controllers scrambled fire engines
76 Yellowtail : CO has just announced increase service to BZE....not much more but still an increase, effective Dec 1 it is 2Xdaily to IAH and 3XSat/Sun to IAH + 1Xwe
77 Tomascubero : Hmm I think it left SJO for PTY and came back. This is because the flight was sent one Final Loadsheet at 8:20am and another around 9:50am, both for
78 Post contains links Luisca : According to an Panamanian AAC official they are trying to lure CO and AA to operate flights to DAV as well as working on getting more Central America
79 Aer : GT news: Guatemala's Constitutional Court decided that the 10% tax on air travel was in fact double taxation, therefore it decided to kill the tax. Fi
80 Post contains images Carmenlu15 : I've lost count how many times our customers came in asking if we could sell tickets on Spirit, and when we told them we couldn't, they walked out of
81 Viaggiare : This has nothing to do with the Q.20 Seguridad de Aeródromos fee pax had to go pay at the Banco de la República before heading out for the departur
82 Juanchito : Yes that would stay Juanchito
83 Yellowtail : La cervesa mas fina de a.net! Evidently..representatives for COPA will be in BZE this week..could we be getting closer to an announcement of PTY-SAP-
84 2travel2know : PTY-BZE-MBJ is the only route that can't make any sense, if you tell me PTY-GCM-BZE-PTY and PTY-GCM-BZE-PTY that's another thing. Would GUA allow CM
85 Luisca : Isnt GUA being thrown around as a possible hub for CM, i am sure there would be no problem getting 5th freedom. BTW, PTY-GCM-BZE seems like a good ro
86 Yellowtail : Yes.. Why not....JM used to get 40 pax p/d on this route....but they had problems fillign the rest of the 320 with conencting pax... If you assume an
87 Post contains images Viaggiare : PTY-SAP-BZE... you mean in addition to the current (CM795/796) PTY-SJO-SAP? PTY-GUA-BZE... as a tag-on to the current (CM320/319 and CM496/497) daily
88 Aer : Guatemala grants freedoms 1 - 5 regardless, as long as the airline passes it's certificates and all.
89 SJOtoLIR : Good analysis above ! Probably, the market between BZE and PTY does not support daily dedicated operations even with E190 equipment. IMHO, if CM star
90 Viaggiare : That's right. Thanks for the clarification, Max. PTY-SJO-SAP (CM795/796) = 786 miles PTY-SJO-GUA (CM382/381) = 866 miles PTY-MGA-GUA (CM711/710) = 84
91 Yellowtail : no need for reconnaissance...bze is such a small place....everyone knows before the mission even lands! If it is part of a tag on it would...and if i
92 Luisca : Did DL cancel its second PTY frequency? I was triying to purchase a flight and that schedule was a lot better.
93 2travel2know : It seems that they did. IMHO, PTY could support a 2nd ATL frequency at least 2 days per week (weekends or Friday / Monday).
94 Yellowtail : And seems like after saying they would bring back LAX-BZE and the SAt only RON ATL-BZE Nov 15th, I don't see it in the schedule they gave us...who kn
95 SJOtoLIR : Current schedule for InterJet in Guatemala City: FROM GUATEMALA Flight 902...........GUA 12:50..............CUN 14:15............Su Flight 902........
96 Aer : Well today I saw in the news paper a MX add offering a 2x1 deal, just like Interjet. Plus TA is offering sales on the MEX-GUA route. Guess they are n
97 Viaggiare : Ahhh... nothing like the sight of a new, aggressive competitor to shake up a captive market.
98 MAH4546 : Delta's bookings clearly don't support that. Not going with the 2nd ATL frequency (which was 3x weekly, IIRC), might have something to do with adding
99 G5ive : Wasn't TA going to start SAL-LAS?
100 Mt99 : They seldom last though. How many "aggressive competitor" have not success? More importantly, when is TA going to start exploiting their relationship
101 Yellowtail : By this do you mean flights to ORD and DEN?
102 Mt99 : Just in general. Their schedules are all screwed up and IHMO do not provide good connections. TA gets into ORD at an awful time - purely O/D traffic
103 Yellowtail : You are implying that everything TA does is logical...they are sorta CentAm version of BMI......
104 Mt99 : I don't understand what you are trying to say.
105 Post contains images Viaggiare : My hallucination is that he meant that in reference to BD seemingly not having a clue what they're doing. Some of TA's moves certainly make me wonder
106 2travel2know : I thought that at least TA was getting some southbound connecting traffic from UA late evening (2200-2400h) ORD arrivals. It can be said that because
107 Mt99 : Only if you spare us this type of nonsense: Deal?
108 Mt99 : Maybe - but how are you going to get those connecting people back home?
109 2travel2know : Complementary hotel night @ ORD or via IAH/DFW/MIA ? I also ask myself, how come TA does fly red-eyes from California to Centralamerica but no red-ey
110 Viaggiare : It isn't me you need to strike a deal with, funnyman, it's TA human resources. You two seem like a perfect match to me, and even drink the same Kool-
111 Post contains links SJOtoLIR : SAM - Avianca will resume BOG-SJO in December. Follow up: AV To San Jose, Costa Rica (by Summa767 Nov 13 2007 in Civil Aviation) . I would assume poor
112 Post contains links TACAA320 : Nice to see AV back to SJO after so many years. AV To San Jose, Costa Rica (by Summa767 Nov 13 2007 in Civil Aviation)
113 Luisca : CM has recieved another E190, fleet now at 37, 11 EMBs and 26 737s.
114 Mt99 : Thats Mr.Funnyman to you! You hold quite a grudge on things don't you. That cant be healthy. Oh well! Good luck with your troubles. " God grant me th
115 Post contains images G5ive : They also have not so happy to be up at time to catch a flight departures. Ex: JFK-SAL 02:50, 03:45 IAD-SAL 02:45, 04:30 What is the explanation for
116 Laxintl : Red-eye flying very much helps TACA maintain high aircraft utilization. Additionally red-eye flights have been preferred and work well for many ethnic
117 Mt99 : See this illustrates my point. I know for a fact that UA only flies to LEX via ORD. If TA arrives at ORD at 2AM, you would have to wait till 8AM for
118 Post contains images Yellowtail : Why study...the served this route for donkey's years....they should know the data like their salary scale! A daily E-190 (when delivered) would be pe
119 Post contains images Mt99 : That works Very good point. Never thought about that one!
120 Post contains images Carmenlu15 : AM did have a 2 X 1 sale, but it was over the regular excursion fare... MX is offering the 2 X 1 over the discounted $172.00 fare What's so wrong abo
121 Post contains images Viaggiare : What a crock!
122 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : Morning departures in such routes imply idle assets up to eight hours and TA needs their Airbuses for the morning bank departures in SAL. . Departure
123 MAH4546 : SAP has done very poorly for them. I'm surprised they haven't pulled out. Same with MGA.
124 SJOtoLIR : November 17th. New flight in Central America. TA initiates SAL-OAK today. TA 564........SAL 19:00.........OAK 23:00........319.......Mo, Th, Sa TA 565
125 Post contains links 2travel2know : QR in PTY looking for flight attendants (In Spanish). After those who went to find out more about QR recruiting in Panama City said, CM shouldn't worr
126 Post contains links Luisca : New pilot agreement for CM CM Reaches Agreement With Pilot Union (by Luisca Nov 19 2007 in Civil Aviation)
127 Viaggiare : The article doesn't mention what qualifications these applicants need to have, but probably no prior f/a experience is required. Compensation apparen
128 Yellowtail : Both our local airlines (Tropic and Maya Island) have been temporarily banned from flying BZE-FRS which they do 2xdaily each due to the new status of
129 Mt99 : Pardon my ignorance.. Can you explain a bit more on this . I am not familiar on how Guatemala's status affect flights from BZE
130 Post contains links Viaggiare : I don't understand. The FAA's International Aviation Safety Assessment 7/3/07 results show Guatemala back at Cat 1 with only Belize and Honduras as C
131 Post contains links Yellowtail : Know one knows exact REAL reason except the guat authorities. some suspect that they are trying to kill off the competition in an attempt to launch F
132 Post contains images Carmenlu15 : I'm puzzled as well... Is there such a thing as a Guatemalan airline, though? Any good suggestions for the title?
133 SJOtoLIR : Something related with Panama.
134 Yellowtail : Central American Thread - Part XV: Better than Noche Buena!
135 2travel2know : 2nd that. "Balboa es para hombres" "Destapa tu orgullo, Cerveza Panamá"
136 Viaggiare : "the ban involves Guatemala's requirement that all airlines flying to the country have a valid Air Operator's Certificate. Although Belize's local ai
137 Post contains images Viaggiare : I would agree given that November is Panama's mes de la Patria Checked out the current Belikin Beer calendar girls while at it. My picks were Shanna
138 Post contains images Aer : That sounds bad, well they will have to compromise as the routes are important for FRS hahaha good joke , sad... but good joke
139 Yellowtail : Overtime? Obviously you have never had to deal with Belizean Governmental Authorities..efficient they are not.
140 Viaggiare : So do you think it's actually the Belizean Department of Civil Aviation (and its inefficiency) that's causing both PM and MW to be in non-compliance
141 Yellowtail : YES..I deal with these people every day....and they have to approve the documents, do inspections etc....
142 Post contains images 2travel2know : Is CM PTY-IAD not performing as they had expected? That flight keeps coming on CM weekend-travel promo fares far too often... For this weekend is less
143 SJOtoLIR : All the passengers end the flight at IAD. IMHO, the success for the Central American carriers into U.S. points are likely based on: a. Those U.S. des
144 Viaggiare : It was US$269 to be exact. Add US$237.63 in taxes and surcharges (61% of that for fuel) and the fare comes to US$506.63, far from Copa's original mar
145 2travel2know : And how does it compare to CM cheapest non-weekend promo PTY-IAD-PTY fare?? Washington isn't NYC where at least CM could get some PTY-JFK O/D traffic
146 Yellowtail : Carmen...where art thou? we need a new thread here and according to the posts....they want it to be about Panama.....but I don't recall the Panamanian
147 Luisca : Panama (longneck bottle, my favorite!), Balboa, Soberana, Atlas.
148 2travel2know : And the gone but not forgotten HB and Cristal. Sadly for thousands of Panamanians, those brands felt victims of Globalization, by a Colombian Brewery
149 SJOtoLIR : Red-eye allocations are working properly for other routes originated in Central America though. I agree connections could not support CM PTY-IAD. For
150 SJOtoLIR : CM PTY-MIA is actually 14x weekly nowadays.
151 Post contains links and images Carmenlu15 : Over here... working on the new thread Central American Aviation Thread -XVII (by Carmenlu15 Nov 27 2007 in Civil Aviation)
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