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Air Southwest Expansion  
User currently offlineBoeing77W From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 206 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2812 times:

Air Southwest announced today a number of new routes. From April next year they will offer:


  • New service to Newcastle from Plymouth, via Newquay
  • New service to Glasgow from Plymouth, via Newquay
  • Passengers will be able to book flights from Plymouth to Newquay
  • Extend the Cork and Dublin services to Plymouth, so: Plymouth to Cork/Dublin via Newquay

This is excellent news for Air Southwest and it's good to see them expanding. I hope that Air Southwest continue to succeed, I really enjoy flying with them and think they're a good little airline

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User currently offlineBoeing77W From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2700 times:

To add, they are also offering flights to Chambery in France from Plymouth and Newquay for the 2008/2009 winter season!

Finally good to see a route into mainland Europe


User currently offlineBAOPS777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2676 times:

Excellent finally some good expansion news from a very good little airline.

Just one question are they going to add some more Q300 if so where from??

or I doubt they are but could they the UFO for a european carrier for 10 Q400!!!!!!


User currently offlineJER757 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2672 times:

News is they may be closing the BRS base, freeing up (I'd guess) one a/c to cover the extra flights.

Either that or they're finally beginning to expand for real! I really hope this is the case; WOW are a great little airline.



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User currently offlineBAOPS777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2655 times:

Mind you dont BE have 3 or 4 ex BA connect Q300 in storage at Exeter could they be destined for WOW. Finally the aircraft will return to former Brymon turf

User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7605 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2615 times:

JER757

Do you have any further info or a source re BRS.

As far as new aircraft, how about SK.

David


User currently offlineBAOPS777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2578 times:

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 5):
As far as new aircraft, how about SK.

After all the probs SK have had with there Q400's i don't think so.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2442 times:

BRS base closure has been posted on pprune. Currently it only does charters


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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2442 times:

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 5):
Do you have any further info or a source re BRS.

Apparently it's been made public that Bristol base is closing



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2421 times:

Great news on the expansion. Lets just hope the owners don't decide to sell to a rival as has been mooted....


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User currently offlineBoeing77W From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2403 times:

The BRS base will be closing, like Humberside said they have only been doing charters for the last few months and it's obviously no longer profitable for them to keep it open. The aircraft that is moving to PLH will be used to help cover the new routes. I don't believe there are plans to acquire new aircraft in the near future.

Quoting Cornish (Reply 9):
Lets just hope the owners don't decide to sell to a rival as has been mooted...

What's this about???


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2393 times:

Quoting Boeing77W (Reply 10):
What's this about???

Lets just say it would suit the owners to sell out to certain other carriers.....










And I'm saying nothing more publicly  Wink



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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24936 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2383 times:

Not another Brymon?  Sad


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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2285 times:

Quoting Boeing77W (Thread starter):
Passengers will be able to book flights from Plymouth to Newquay

That's always been possible, first flight of the day is about £24o/w, the rest are about £90o/w.

Quoting Boeing77W (Thread starter):
Extend the Cork and Dublin services to Plymouth, so: Plymouth to Cork/Dublin via Newquay

That should be interesting, there will now be up to 7 daily flights on the PLH-NQY sector!

Quoting BAOPS777 (Reply 2):
or I doubt they are but could they the UFO for a european carrier for 10 Q400!!!!!!

Nope, that would not be possible, PLH's runway is too short for that aircraft - it was too short for the -300's to take off with a full load until recently. If they were to use a -300 series as a shuttle to and from NQY then they could quite possibly add a Q400 for the GLA and NCL flights, but I doubt that would make economic sense. As it is, I'm not sure of the viability with a stop at NQY.

I really hope this will work for Air Southwest, as it marks some pretty significant investment in the region, especially PLH. Sutton Harbour Holdings, the owners of both Air Southwest and Plymouth's airport had been attempting to get out of an agreement with the council for the airport's operation, to sell the land surrounding the cross runway for housing, which would also have lead to the removal of the hanger and engine testing bay. Seems with the basing of a third aircraft at PLH that this will definately be on hold now, I certainly hope so!

Great news for the airline, airport, and the local economy!  bigthumbsup 


Dan Smile



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User currently offlineBoeing77W From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 9):
Lets just hope the owners don't decide to sell to a rival as has been mooted....

I can't really see this happening to be honest. If they sold the airline then Sutton Harbour would have no need to keep the airport open, someone like BE are hardly going to have operations out of both PLH and EXE. Due to the amount of property and commercial interest that Sutton Harbour have in Plymouth the benefits of an "international airport" are significant for them. If it were to close then it's likely this would have a detrimental effect on their other commercial operations in the city.

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 13):
sell the land surrounding the cross runway for housing, which would also have lead to the removal of the hanger and engine testing bay. Seems with the basing of a third aircraft at PLH that this will definitely be on hold now

I had heard that if the sale were to occur then there was the possibility money from the sale would be invested in new hangar facilities and the possible expansion/re-build of the current terminal building.


User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2237 times:

Quoting Boeing77W (Reply 14):
If they sold the airline then Sutton Harbour would have no need to keep the airport open, someone like BE are hardly going to have operations out of both PLH and EXE

bingo !

And for BE the benefits are all traffic migrates to EXE and the get Dash 8 pilots plus far more importantly, useful slots at LGW.



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2223 times:

Quoting Boeing77W (Reply 14):
I had heard that if the sale were to occur then there was the possibility money from the sale would be invested in new hangar facilities and the possible expansion/re-build of the current terminal building.

Yes, this was the plan, but it was significantly flawed. It included the relocation of the engine testing bay and there is no way that they would be granted planning permission for this - I live almost a mile away and can still hear them when they test at 5am. The objections from anyone located near bye to the proposed site would almost certainly be upheld.

Quoting Boeing77W (Reply 14):
Due to the amount of property and commercial interest that Sutton Harbour have in Plymouth the benefits of an "international airport" are significant for them. If it were to close then it's likely this would have a detrimental effect on their other commercial operations in the city.

I can't see it having much affect on them if the airport did close actually, it's been loss making for them for at least the last few years and the value of that land for property development is very high... their business is mainly private real estate orientated anyway, so the closure would have a negligible impact. It would though have a major affect on the international businesses located in the cities many industrial estates; when BA pulled out several years ago and the airport was threatened with closure there was significant petitioning for services to be retained and expanded in order for them to resume trading in the city - some did indeed leave.

Hopefully though they will see traffic increase and then go ahead with the runway extension, one disused factory has already been cleared and the sites development use has been dictated as 'temporary' as it falls within the area affected by a compulsory purchase order should the extension go ahead.


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User currently offlineEXTspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2056 times:

Good luck to WOW. I have only used them once on MAN - BRS - PLH, but it was a good flight (Backwards takeoff was wierd but great fun!)

I really do not see the need for Plymouth to have a proper comercial airport, It is only 40 miles from EXT and not much further to NQY. 45 mins on the train and another 20 on the bus from St. Davids and your there. It would be a loss for Plymouth, but WOW could really benefit from basing the aircraft at NQY and opening new routes to:

Jersey
Guernsey
Birmingham
Brest
Paris
Glasgow
Edinburgh
Belfast
Shannon?
Bristol?
Cardiff?
Southampton?
Norwich?
Isle of Man?
Carlisle?
Leeds/Bradford?
Sheffield?
Knock/Ireland West?
Bordeaux/La Rochelle/Bergerac?



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User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7605 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 2036 times:

I had been looking at the BRS to LBA service, but it now seems to be a non starter.

David


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2012 times:

Quoting EXTspotter (Reply 17):
I really do not see the need for Plymouth to have a proper comercial airport, It is only 40 miles from EXT and not much further to NQY. 45 mins on the train and another 20 on the bus from St. Davids and your there. It would be a loss for Plymouth, but WOW could really benefit from basing the aircraft at NQY and opening new routes to:

Try telling that to the businesses located within Plymouth. Go down to the council records office and you will come across a large volume of correspondence from some of the major employers (talking many thousands of jobs here) stating that if the air transport situation does not improve they will be consider relocating to a more accessible city. It may be a coincidence, but I seem to remember several large players did.

Travel time between the two cities is more like an hour, so your are looking at an hour and a half between the city centre and EXT by public transport and, an hour by car. So why in that case relocate to Plymouth at all, when you can relocate to Exeter and save that inconvenient distance? That's exactly why good airlinks are needed, otherwise the city will see potential investment whipped out from under it's nose, either to the EXT or NQY areas, or by more centrally located cities with better transport facilities, on top of that the geography hardly conspires to make the A38 and Plymouth's poor and unreliable rail inks any better an option. Likewise, NQY is an hour away on twisting roads which are congested to a crawling pace during the summer months - although on a side point, I never understand why Ryanair didn't put an emphasis on NQY being "Plymouth's" airport and running a coach service between the two points, considering the two are nearer than some other claimed destination airports!

Flying the Dash 8 backwards is a cool, if slightly bazaar experience. Pax really do wobble in turbulence!  silly 


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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2003 times:

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 18):
I had been looking at the BRS to LBA service, but it now seems to be a non starter.

I didn't think that these flights were being withdrawn - certainly they are still bookable for up to a year from now. Perhaps they just haven't been removed yet? I wouldn't have thought they would dump these, as the loads seem to be healthy whenever I have flown them.


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User currently offlineEXTspotter From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 992 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1996 times:

The best thing was that if someone picks their nose or farts, you can identify them imediately, also you can have staring contests with the rest of the cabin!

NQY isn't for Plymouth, its for Cornwall as a tourist destination, count the number of surfboards coming off many of the flights. My friend Phil is a dispatcher at NQY, from what I've heard, even though expanding NQY isn't viable and never will be because of the type of people using it, there isn't enough industry or people in cornwall itself to suport it, in tandem with miserable loads, the average on the BA to LGW was 16 people on a 734 throughout the whole summer apart from like 1 weekend.

P.S. if PLH does go, I will miss the up the Tamar approach. When I was down at Mutton Cove on my Dad's birthday (he likes the sea and it has good views of the river because it is right at the mouth), I saw one fly over us and I thought, I wish that was me...



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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1974 times:

Quoting EXTspotter (Reply 21):
NQY isn't for Plymouth, its for Cornwall as a tourist destination, count the number of surfboards coming off many of the flights. My friend Phil is a dispatcher at NQY, from what I've heard, even though expanding NQY isn't viable and never will be because of the type of people using it, there isn't enough industry or people in cornwall itself to suport it, in tandem with miserable loads, the average on the BA to LGW was 16 people on a 734 throughout the whole summer apart from like 1 weekend.

Well, I don't think the BA flight is much more than a slot warmer, but I could be wrong. I flew it midweek and there was a load factor of about 30% I seem to remember, it's operated with a mix of 734 and 735, with the latter being used more often from what I saw during the summer. I'm sure somebody here can provide the loadings, WOW fill four, if not five DH3s a day, so I'd have thought BA could shift a few more pax on a 737...

I know NQY isn't for Plymouth, I was taking the piss out of FR  Wink Don't underestimate the potential of the Cornish region business wise though, wages might be rock bottom, but that's a good thing if you're looking to invest and there are also a range of tempting grants available for doing so, not to mention the 'pasty pound' Big grin NQY has expanded a great deal, a few years ago they did so with the aim of handling 737 aircraft and everyone scoffed, but now look at them - BA and BMI plus FlyBe with the DH4 all newcomers, even if the ambitious MON flights didn't work out. One of the largest markets, certainly for SW - London traffic is the second homes traveler, which is a lot more stable year around than the tourist market which only really affects the summer and other traditional 'getaway' holidays.


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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1828 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 19):
Try telling that to the businesses located within Plymouth. Go down to the council records office and you will come across a large volume of correspondence from some of the major employers (talking many thousands of jobs here) stating that if the air transport situation does not improve they will be consider relocating to a more accessible city. It may be a coincidence, but I seem to remember several large players did.

completely correct. Problem for Plymouth is its a major city that isn't on the motorway network and if it lost its airport as well then it would rank a big fat ZERO for large companies looking to invest there. no matter if the A38 is a good road or not. No motorway and no airport is a big minus compared to other locations. and an airport in Exeter is worth nothing to potential investors in Plymouth either.



It is also regarded that the LGW WOW service would struggle to be viable on a pure LGW-NQY basis only.



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User currently offline8herveg From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 1197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1807 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 13):
That should be interesting, there will now be up to 7 daily flights on the PLH-NQY sector!

Is there actually much O & D traffic on the NQY - PLH route?

Also, could anyone see a merge between FlyBe and Air Southwest to create an even bigger regional airline?


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11655 posts, RR: 60
Reply 25, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1784 times:

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 24):
Is there actually much O & D traffic on the NQY - PLH route?

All the times I have flown PLH-NQY-LGW I have never seen anyone just use this short hop and, to be honest, at £99 for all flights except the very first morning one, they are not exactly going to be encouraging people to fill the planes up as far as NQY.

Quoting 8herveg (Reply 24):
Also, could anyone see a merge between FlyBe and Air Southwest to create an even bigger regional airline?

I could see a complete takeover, but I don't see what use Plymouth would be to a suitor such as FlyBe, as they would have to retain the DHC8-300 in their fleet to operate from there... or more than likely just close down the PLH base and operate with their DHC8-400s from NQY and BRS.

I certainly hope not anyway, there is a certain touch surrounding WOWs attitude to service which makes it stand out from other regional LCCs. It's friendly, which is something which all too often lacks in todays aviation.


Dan 

[Edited 2007-10-31 08:26:03]


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