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Airbus: Air India May Purchase 10 To 12 A380s  
User currently offlineTimo007 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 38 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12448 times:

Just announced on CNBC that an executive at Airbus stated Air India will purchase 10 to 12 A380s

Cheers,

Timo

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User currently offlineVictor009 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12435 times:

Quoting Timo007 (Thread starter):
10 to 12 A380s

expected that , just was waiting when they will announce. ny news on how many options they have and first aircraft delivery year???

with QR deffering their deliveries any chance of AI getting 1-2 frames early?

Regards
VJC



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User currently offlineAbba From Denmark, joined Jun 2005, 1376 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12433 times:

That's good news for the program indeed!


Abba


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2972 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12376 times:

Airbus CEO Tom Enders is in India as part of Angela Merkel's trade delegation and is pushing for the A380. AI has made it clear that it wants to purchase more heavy lift to use on sectors like India-LHR and India-East Coast US (1 stop) and that the A380 is in contention, however AI has not issued a RFP as yet and until an RFP is issued, lets not get ahead of ourselves!


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User currently offlineHawkerCamm From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2007, 405 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12326 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 3):
however AI has not issued a RFP as yet and until an RFP is issued, lets not get ahead of ourselves!

Don't always assume that a RFP will be made public. Even more so for political trades!


User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12209 times:

Quoting Victor009 (Reply 1):
with QR deffering their deliveries any chance of AI getting 1-2 frames early?

This is news to me! When did QR defer their A380's? I thought only Virgin had deferred to-date.

Reggaebird


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12197 times:

I really dont see the need for VLA aircraft amongst Indian Carriers, they require more 77W/3510 and 7810/359 category aircraft.

But seeing the A380 in their fleet i will be a happy man.

Karan


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12179 times:

Quoting HawkerCamm (Reply 4):
Don't always assume that a RFP will be made public. Even more so for political trades!

Well NH is to offer an RFP next year for A380s they already ordered, according to some here, so why wouldn't AI do the same?  Wink

I have no idea of the veracity of the report, but if it's official, why would an Airbus exec say they ordered 10-12. Wouldn't he know the exact number?

I fully expect AI to order A380s at some point, but I'm not sure this is an accurate story.



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2972 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12178 times:

Quoting HawkerCamm (Reply 4):
Don't always assume that a RFP will be made public. Even more so for political trades!

Technically, under the Indian Right To Information Act, people can ask for the RFP to be made public if they file an RTI request!



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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12162 times:

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 5):
This is news to me! When did QR defer their A380's?

Can´t find the thread now but there is one around here.  Smile

Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 5):
I thought only Virgin had deferred to-date

EY has as well.


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12807 posts, RR: 46
Reply 10, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12107 times:
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Quoting Cricket (Reply 8):
Technically, under the Indian Right To Information Act, people can ask for the RFP to be made public if they file an RTI request!

Well, what are you waiting for? Please let us know the outcome!  wink 



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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12807 posts, RR: 46
Reply 11, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12060 times:
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AI's interest in the A380 is not exactly the World's best kept secret (pretty much like NH's interest).
http://www.domain-b.com/aero/airlines/20071018_airbus.htm

It's also hardly a surprise that interest in the A380 is high given EIS at SQ. Airbus is doing nothing more than feeding that interest by dropping a few hints.



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User currently offlineVictor009 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12003 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
I have no idea of the veracity of the report, but if it's official, why would an Airbus exec say they ordered 10-12. Wouldn't he know the exact number?

thast becoz it "MEDIA" they think they know everything but actually they have no clue most of the times. Now for some months they have been constantly comparing A380 with B787 duhhhhhhh, these are 2 different aircrafts , serving 2 different segments/markets etc etc. just bcoz they are coming out at a similar time and both are new they have to compared.

Well we all know here AI is intrested in A380 and that no. is also been discussed.

Heard about the Greman entourage going to India in 2 full planes, well i am bit suprised with 12 expected 24 eheheehe (being cheeky here i know)

Regards
VJC



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2972 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11957 times:

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 10):
Well, what are you waiting for? Please let us know the outcome! wink

Because the RFP has not been issued yet...



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User currently offlinePanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4211 posts, RR: 89
Reply 14, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11859 times:
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Quoting Timo007 (Thread starter):
Just announced on CNBC that an executive at Airbus stated Air India will purchase 10 to 12 A380s

Let's clarify this in the interest's of being even handed. Title Changed to the following:

Airbus: Air India May Purchase 10 To 12 A380s

Here is why;

15:08 *AIRBUS SAYS AIR INDIA MAY NEED 10-12 A380 AIRCRAFT
15:12 *AIRBUS EXEC. VP KIRAN RAO SPEAKS IN NEW DELHI
15:12 *AIRBUS COO JOHN LEAHY SPEAKS IN NEW DELHI
15:12 *AIRBUS CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER TOM ENDERS SPEAKS IN NEW DELHI

Source subscriber only newswire via Bloomberg. On their website http://www.bloomberg.com do a search shortly and the full details of the story will come out. Until then it's nothing more than a series of "ticker bombs"

The only constructive point thus far is that we have an indication of the VLA requirement for AI

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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12807 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11771 times:
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Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 5):
This is news to me! When did QR defer their A380's?

Recently. There was a thread here about it, but I can't seem to find it just now. *shrug*

Here's the FI report:
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ays-pushes-back-a380s-to-2012.html



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User currently offlinePEET7G From Hungary, joined Jan 2007, 695 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11675 times:

Well I think this order is the best bet where anyone could put their money on... It is only a question of when and not if. Obviously what other market needs the A380 more than the Indian?


Peet7G
User currently offlineLHRBlueSkies From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11603 times:

I think the expanding Indian market would be a good place for 380's to enter service, certainly internationally but also on a more limited domestic capacity.

I would be interested in how many seats AI would try and squeeze into their 380's, as I seem to remember that EK have already said that when they get their's, they will have some equipped for the Indian market with a considerably higher density seating than for other markets.

But as IKRAmerica says (basically!), let's wait and see what actually is forthcoming, as, apart from in politics, there is no greater PR spin than in aviation!



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User currently offlineAbba From Denmark, joined Jun 2005, 1376 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11448 times:

Quoting PEET7G (Reply 16):
Well I think this order is the best bet where anyone could put their money on... It is only a question of when and not if. Obviously what other market needs the A380 more than the Indian?

China...?

Abba


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2972 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11297 times:

The Indian civ av minister Praful Patel mentioned the A380 for AI when he welcomed the (sic) new 777's into AI a few months ago. The fact that AI is looking for VLA's to replace/supplement the 744 fleet particularly on India-Europe-N.A flights is well known for a while. However, it is also clear that any RFP for a potential order will only happen after India's new Civil Aviation policy is cleared by the Indian Cabinet. It is an AI order for god's sake.. it takes time! If it gets done in 12 months as some are saying (orders placed end-08 and first deliveries by 2011-12) that will be like a record!


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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3398 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11241 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 19):
It is an AI order for god's sake.. it takes time! If it gets done in 12 months as some are saying (orders placed end-08 and first deliveries by 2011-12) that will be like a record!

That's true, AI orders seem to take almost as long as SU orders to actually be firmed! Big grin


User currently offlineReggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11123 times:

Quoting Abba (Reply 18):
Quoting PEET7G (Reply 16):
Well I think this order is the best bet where anyone could put their money on... It is only a question of when and not if. Obviously what other market needs the A380 more than the Indian?

China...?

Abba

Are you suggesting that India and China require the A380 due to the sizes of their populations? If so, I believe that's not true. The percentage of Indian and Chinese nationals that fly is significantly smaller than than the percentages of European, East Asian and North American populations that fly. Granted 85% of 300,000,000 is less than 25% of 1.2 billion but if the US airline industry doesn't "require" the A380, neither should China nor India. The selection of the A380 is going to be more of a competitive choice than anything else. The same phenomenon was seen when the 747 came on the market years ago. Airlines that didn't need it chose to buy it to stay competitive with their peers. The market soon returned to sensible decisions and the 747 left several fleets and remained where it was truly practical. I expect the same to happen with the A380.

Reggaebird


User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12807 posts, RR: 46
Reply 22, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11099 times:
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Quoting Reggaebird (Reply 5):
This is news to me! When did QR defer their A380's?

OK, found it in the end!
QR Shifts A380 Delivery To 2012 Due To Airport (by Flying-Tiger Oct 25 2007 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11060 times:

This will rumble on and on no doubt - I think AI are in a similar position to PK in that for their LHR routes the 747 has done fine but now that the 77W is coming into the fleets of both carriers, capacity has reached a zenith and they cannot expand more unless they add flights which to LHR is very difficult. Eventually they will almost certainly need a VLA.

Problem is in India, and Pakistan as well, there is so much politics behind the scenes as both carriers ars State-run, so whatever they order will be seen as favouritism towards either the US or Europe. Shrewd ministers at both airlines realised a long time ago that some smart lobbying and "a willingness to listen to all sides of the argument" usually equates to their airline getting a wonderful deal.

I think the VLA requirement is a no-brainer now, but will become painfully evident once BA, VS, LH, AF etc start invading Mumbai and Delihi with them. I suspect the real problem lies in the airport infrastucture in India - how many airports are A380 ready? I suppose the more pertinent question would be - How long will it take for this to change? Nothing happens quickly in India and there are processes for processes for processes.

They could surprise us by ordering now and asking questions later, but I am not holding my breath. The mechanics of this order have probably been ticking over for a year or more, and will have gathered pace recently. IT have ordered it and I thinkk Jet will do so as well - if that happens then AI will be in a bad position I think. You have to remember, national pride is still a big factor in State-run airlines like AI and PK and the A380 will be very attractive in this regard.

I still think there is scope for the 748I here.



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 24, posted (7 years 1 month 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10959 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 23):
I suspect the real problem lies in the airport infrastucture in India - how many airports are A380 ready?

DEL will be for 2010 when the new development opens in time for the Commonwealth Games.



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25 CHRISBA777ER : Mumbai I would say is nearly as important and even more likely to get A380 service. Bangalore? Amritsar maybe?
26 Cornish : Bangalore is getting a new airport so should have no problem accomodating the A380 - particularly as it is Kingfisher's home. Mumbai is more importan
27 BigTom : HYD's new airport is also expected to come on stream next year. Cheers
28 Post contains images PEET7G : No, I am suggesting that they will require the Whalejet for the unbelievably expanding business travellers and the higher ratio of nationals working
29 Burkhard : This still is true, but I see no reason why this is a natural laws forever, and the current growth rates indicate that this per head difference is sh
30 Post contains links and images PanAm_DC10 : Ok, there are now many reports of this and all state that Airbus may sell, or is in talks, to sell A380s to AI Airbus in talks with Air India about A3
31 Stitch : Let me start off by saying that my comments are not a belief by myself that AI does not need nor can use A380s. I'm on record here saying I think the
32 Jfk777 : Given how much India is growing and Air India is trying to re-lauch ins self in something "Asian" they are going to buy the beast. They need for LHR a
33 RayChuang : I'm surprised that Air India wasn't one of the early customers for the A380-800 in the first place. There are HUGE ex-patriate Indian communities in t
34 RedFlyer : I don't think anyone was as surprised as Airbus.
35 Ikramerica : This has always been my point about the A380 as marketed in 2000. It's a nice plane and a triumph on the "look what we can do as mankind" scale, and
36 Stitch : A solid summary, Ikramerica. It also, I believe, supports the idea that the A380-800R and A380-900 might not be coming anytime soon, if at all. If an
37 Post contains images Gr8Circle : What does that mean AI has always been an Asian airline....what more does it need to become "Asian"...?
38 Alessandro : I think they feel the heat from Kingfisher, but I doubt they order any A380ies.
39 Post contains images Gr8Circle : The 748 maybe.....
40 Post contains images Stitch : IT has yet to get permission to send an A320, much less an A380, out of the country. Also, while IT did order the "Airbus Starter Pack" which include
41 WingedMigrator : It seems reasonable to assume that the airlines that deferred did not receive compensation payments, and that 27 earlier delivery slots were freed up
42 Kaitak744 : The A380-800 has a lower purchase price than the A380-900, and the 787-8 has a lower purchase price than the 787-9. Why buy a 777-200ER when there is
43 Post contains images BigTom : Well it seems our American friends don't think so, India is not Asia, Asia is China, Japan, Korea, et al. India is ... well India, but citizens from
44 Stitch : Well the 787-9 can do more then the 787-8 can in terms of range, but point is taken. However, the 787-8 also has more competition then then the A380-
45 Post contains images Mk777 : Before AI starts to buy planes, the officials who run it, should seriously sit down and discuss their route network. Their 772LR's are not being utili
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