Cricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2993 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (8 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 13021 times:
Airbus CEO Tom Enders is in India as part of Angela Merkel's trade delegation and is pushing for the A380. AI has made it clear that it wants to purchase more heavy lift to use on sectors like India-LHR and India-East Coast US (1 stop) and that the A380 is in contention, however AI has not issued a RFP as yet and until an RFP is issued, lets not get ahead of ourselves!
Victor009 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 12648 times:
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7): I have no idea of the veracity of the report, but if it's official, why would an Airbus exec say they ordered 10-12. Wouldn't he know the exact number?
thast becoz it "MEDIA" they think they know everything but actually they have no clue most of the times. Now for some months they have been constantly comparing A380 with B787 duhhhhhhh, these are 2 different aircrafts , serving 2 different segments/markets etc etc. just bcoz they are coming out at a similar time and both are new they have to compared.
Well we all know here AI is intrested in A380 and that no. is also been discussed.
Heard about the Greman entourage going to India in 2 full planes, well i am bit suprised with 12 expected 24 eheheehe (being cheeky here i know)
PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4273 posts, RR: 87
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12504 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW COMMUNITY MANAGER
Quoting Timo007 (Thread starter): Just announced on CNBC that an executive at Airbus stated Air India will purchase 10 to 12 A380s
Let's clarify this in the interest's of being even handed. Title Changed to the following:
Airbus: Air India May Purchase 10 To 12 A380s
Here is why;
15:08 *AIRBUS SAYS AIR INDIA MAY NEED 10-12 A380 AIRCRAFT 15:12 *AIRBUS EXEC. VP KIRAN RAO SPEAKS IN NEW DELHI 15:12 *AIRBUS COO JOHN LEAHY SPEAKS IN NEW DELHI 15:12 *AIRBUS CHIEF EXECUTIVE OFFICER TOM ENDERS SPEAKS IN NEW DELHI
Source subscriber only newswire via Bloomberg. On their website http://www.bloomberg.com do a search shortly and the full details of the story will come out. Until then it's nothing more than a series of "ticker bombs"
The only constructive point thus far is that we have an indication of the VLA requirement for AI
LHRBlueSkies From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 12248 times:
I think the expanding Indian market would be a good place for 380's to enter service, certainly internationally but also on a more limited domestic capacity.
I would be interested in how many seats AI would try and squeeze into their 380's, as I seem to remember that EK have already said that when they get their's, they will have some equipped for the Indian market with a considerably higher density seating than for other markets.
But as IKRAmerica says (basically!), let's wait and see what actually is forthcoming, as, apart from in politics, there is no greater PR spin than in aviation!
flying is the safest form of transport - until humans get involved!
Abba From Denmark, joined Jun 2005, 1487 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 12093 times:
Quoting PEET7G (Reply 16): Well I think this order is the best bet where anyone could put their money on... It is only a question of when and not if. Obviously what other market needs the A380 more than the Indian?
Cricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2993 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 11942 times:
The Indian civ av minister Praful Patel mentioned the A380 for AI when he welcomed the (sic) new 777's into AI a few months ago. The fact that AI is looking for VLA's to replace/supplement the 744 fleet particularly on India-Europe-N.A flights is well known for a while. However, it is also clear that any RFP for a potential order will only happen after India's new Civil Aviation policy is cleared by the Indian Cabinet. It is an AI order for god's sake.. it takes time! If it gets done in 12 months as some are saying (orders placed end-08 and first deliveries by 2011-12) that will be like a record!
Scouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3447 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11886 times:
Quoting Cricket (Reply 19): It is an AI order for god's sake.. it takes time! If it gets done in 12 months as some are saying (orders placed end-08 and first deliveries by 2011-12) that will be like a record!
That's true, AI orders seem to take almost as long as SU orders to actually be firmed!
Reggaebird From Jamaica, joined Nov 1999, 1176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11768 times:
Quoting Abba (Reply 18): Quoting PEET7G (Reply 16):
Well I think this order is the best bet where anyone could put their money on... It is only a question of when and not if. Obviously what other market needs the A380 more than the Indian?
Are you suggesting that India and China require the A380 due to the sizes of their populations? If so, I believe that's not true. The percentage of Indian and Chinese nationals that fly is significantly smaller than than the percentages of European, East Asian and North American populations that fly. Granted 85% of 300,000,000 is less than 25% of 1.2 billion but if the US airline industry doesn't "require" the A380, neither should China nor India. The selection of the A380 is going to be more of a competitive choice than anything else. The same phenomenon was seen when the 747 came on the market years ago. Airlines that didn't need it chose to buy it to stay competitive with their peers. The market soon returned to sensible decisions and the 747 left several fleets and remained where it was truly practical. I expect the same to happen with the A380.
CHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 61
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 11705 times:
This will rumble on and on no doubt - I think AI are in a similar position to PK in that for their LHR routes the 747 has done fine but now that the 77W is coming into the fleets of both carriers, capacity has reached a zenith and they cannot expand more unless they add flights which to LHR is very difficult. Eventually they will almost certainly need a VLA.
Problem is in India, and Pakistan as well, there is so much politics behind the scenes as both carriers ars State-run, so whatever they order will be seen as favouritism towards either the US or Europe. Shrewd ministers at both airlines realised a long time ago that some smart lobbying and "a willingness to listen to all sides of the argument" usually equates to their airline getting a wonderful deal.
I think the VLA requirement is a no-brainer now, but will become painfully evident once BA, VS, LH, AF etc start invading Mumbai and Delihi with them. I suspect the real problem lies in the airport infrastucture in India - how many airports are A380 ready? I suppose the more pertinent question would be - How long will it take for this to change? Nothing happens quickly in India and there are processes for processes for processes.
They could surprise us by ordering now and asking questions later, but I am not holding my breath. The mechanics of this order have probably been ticking over for a year or more, and will have gathered pace recently. IT have ordered it and I thinkk Jet will do so as well - if that happens then AI will be in a bad position I think. You have to remember, national pride is still a big factor in State-run airlines like AI and PK and the A380 will be very attractive in this regard.
I still think there is scope for the 748I here.
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???