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Iran Might Ban QR For Using Arabian Gulf!  
User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1818 posts, RR: 6
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---Al Qabas Newspaper----

Summary:

There has been tensions between Iranian Journalists and people reguarding the naming of the Arabian Gulf by Arab countries. Iranian Parliment president Ghulam Ali Haddad Adel warned in the begining of the Iranian Advisory Council that it will prevent Qatar Airways from landing in Iranian airports if it continued to use "Arabian Gulf" in its flights, which Iranians consider a fake version of the Persian Gulf. A parliament member Bower Ahmed sent an official protest to Iranian Foreign Minister Manoshahar Motaky, explaining the importance of complaining to the government of Qatar because of the use of the Arabian Gulf.
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Qatar Airways flies 10 times a week to Tehran and 3 times a week to Mashad.
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EK uses the term Arabian Gulf in its flights, as it is illegal in that country to use Persian Gulf.

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User currently offlineDLPMMM From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 3591 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9161 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Thread starter):
Qatar Airways flies 10 times a week to Tehran and 3 times a week to Mashad.
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EK uses the term Arabian Gulf in its flights, as it is illegal in that country to use Persian Gulf.

Aren't there more important issues in the world for all of these countries to contend with?


User currently offlineBasefly From Denmark, joined Apr 2007, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9151 times:

Well it seems to be fashionable these days to block of airspace, just because you dont like some one.  headache 


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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12432 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9115 times:

That's an overreaction; although, I wonder if the fact that Qatar is such a big US ally makes it a convenient target for Iranian bullying.

I know names have a lot of significance, but let's face it, Qatar should have some say in what the sea that surrounds them is called. It's not as if they are the only ones to call it the Arabian Gulf.


User currently offlineBuyantUkhaa From Mongolia, joined May 2004, 2897 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9080 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Thread starter):
Iranian Parliment president Ghulam Ali Haddad Adel warned in the begining of the Iranian Advisory Council that it will prevent Qatar Airways from landing in Iranian airports if it continued to use "Arabian Gulf" in its flights, which Iranians consider a fake version of the Persian Gulf.

This whole war-of-words seems a bit over the top. Maybe someone should put the aircon in higher gear.

Reminds me of the FYROM debate.



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User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1818 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9036 times:

The truth of the matter is that the term "Arabian Gulf" appears in the inflight maps only (also the inflight magazine)... Certainly its not as if QR is PROMOTING the term or something....

Such a shame if they ban QR of flying there because of a word.Seems like the Iranians have a bit of extra time in their clocks to worry about these things.



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User currently offlineTrintocan From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2000, 3238 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 8753 times:

Most times nowadays the said body of water is referred to as simply The Gulf - perhaps this term would appease everybody. I have heard the term Persian Gulf on many occasions but this is the first time I am hearing it being called Arabian Gulf.

TrinToCan.



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User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4878 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8680 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 4):
That's an overreaction; although, I wonder if the fact that Qatar is such a big US ally makes it a convenient target for Iranian bullying.

I'm sure that's part of it, but it runs a little deeper.

Don't forget that the rift between Iran and the Arabs is a longstanding one. A main sticking point, more than this naming debacle are the islands in the Persian/Arabian Gulf which Iran contend are theirs but GCC countries also claim as their own. I'm referring mainly to Abu Musa, but there are others. This is where the crux of the debate lies. Now if Iran wish to push this issue they WILL lose. The GCC are strong enough (both economically and of resolve) to put the screws to Iran. And should the needs arise they will. Let's not forget that EK are also in this mix because it is the UAE who contend that Abu Musa is part of their country. This may be the first time EK and QR work together  Smile

Given the huge Iranian populace in Dubai. The same populace sending investment capital back to Iran, money it needs badly, they will back off. Sabre rattling is one thing, shooting yourself in the foot is quite another. This will go away.

You can expect a visit by Al-Baker to Iran in the near future to try and settle things down.
YOWza



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User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8635 times:

Wasn't there also a while ago a problem with Macedonia?

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8569 times:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 9):
A main sticking point, more than this naming debacle are the islands in the Persian/Arabian Gulf which Iran contend are theirs but GCC countries also claim as their own. I'm referring mainly to Abu Musa, but there are others.

Abu Musa and the Tunbs are the ones mostly at issue. BTW, this goes back to the days of the Shah.

Quoting YOWza (Reply 9):
This is where the crux of the debate lies. Now if Iran wish to push this issue they WILL lose. The GCC are strong enough (both economically and of resolve) to put the screws to Iran.

I wouldn't think so fast at that point. Iran has a significantly stronger navy than any of those countries.



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26941 posts, RR: 58
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8438 times:

Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 5):
Reminds me of the FYROM debate.



Quoting Semsem (Reply 10):
Wasn't there also a while ago a problem with Macedonia?

The issue is still being fought out and there is a war of words at the moment. There is Yugoslav Macedonia and Greek Macedonia and any name must reflect that fact !!! No one country has the right to soley use the name ''Macedonia'' . In the end they will both have to come to the table and agree a compromise.


I have always known the Gulf as the Persian Gulf but then again I have also heard people use the term Arabian Gulf. Whats the international law on it ??? or is there one???


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4878 posts, RR: 15
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8344 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
I wouldn't think so fast at that point. Iran has a significantly stronger navy than any of those countries.

I'm not contesting that. But if you think for a second that Iran will strike over this, I'm going to have to disagree with you. The GCC collectively are quite strong and given the importance of petroleum to the west the NATO, EU and of course the USA on it's own would be there guns ablazing in about 15 minutes.

YOWza



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8271 times:

Quoting YOWza (Reply 15):
But if you think for a second that Iran will strike over this, I'm going to have to disagree with you.

No, I don't think Iran will use its military in this, as Iran generally doesn't act as an aggressor nation anyway. I am sure all of this will be taken care of diplomatically, as it has been for years. The islands dispute has been going on for more than 3 decades, and Iran and Dubai don't seem to have a problem doing business.



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User currently offlineMarcus From Mexico, joined Apr 2001, 1790 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8221 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Thread starter):
EK uses the term Arabian Gulf in its flights, as it is illegal in that country to use Persian Gulf.

Really?.....why is it illegal?



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User currently offlineAntskip From Australia, joined Jan 2006, 931 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 8124 times:

Quoting Marcus (Reply 17):
Quoting QatarA340 (Thread starter):
EK uses the term Arabian Gulf in its flights, as it is illegal in that country to use Persian Gulf.

Really?.....why is it illegal?

EK does use Persian Gulf on its web site:
"Qatar is a small peninsula in the Persian Gulf"
http://www.emirates.com/au/traveller...onguide/p-r/qatar/qatarcoutry.asp.

"Iran is located in the Middle East, bordering the Gulf of Oman, the Persian Gulf and the Caspian Sea"
http://www.emirates.com/au/traveller...ionguide/d-i/iran/irancountry.asp.

This Dubai travel company uses Persian Gulf on its map:
http://www.dubaiallhotelsresorts.com/dubai-map.html.

So does http://www.thepersiangulf.org/cities/dubai.html.

Calling the Persian Gulf the Arabian Gulf probably has as much more to do with US (un?)diplomatic interests in the region, which favours any position that seems to be against Iran (except, of course, for the pro-Iranian Iraqi Shia..). Sunni Arab power structures are long-standing enemies of an independent Shiite Iran, post-Shah. See
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IJ27Ak01.html.
I think most people in the street would see such posturing by the Arab ruling elites as the propogandist self-serving rubbish that it is. Ordinary people will continue to call a spade a spade.

[Edited 2007-10-31 17:46:49]

User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7975 times:

Quoting Antskip (Reply 18):
Calling the Persian Gulf the Arabian Gulf probably has as much more to do with US (un?)diplomatic interests in the region, which favours any position that seems to be against Iran (except, of course, for the pro-Iranian Iraqi Shia..). Sunni Arab power structures are long-standing enemies of an independent Shiite Iran, post-Shah. See

Yes but look what those dastardly Canadians were doing even in 2000...

Canada's Contribution to the Arabian Gulf continues

http://www.dnd.ca/site/Newsroom/view_news_e.asp?id=35



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User currently offline747WanSui From China, joined Jun 2005, 36 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7244 times:

In 2004, when National Geographic Magazine decided to use "Arabian Gulf" alongside "Persian Gulf," an outcry from the Persian community ensued, eventually forcing NG to reverse its decision. Part of this outcry involved Google Bombing - if you go to Google, type "Arabian Gulf," and hit "I'm Feeling Lucky," you'll land on a page that begins "The Gulf You Are Looking For Does Not Exist. Try Persian Gulf."


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User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7006 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Thread starter):
Iran Might Ban QR For Using Arabian Gulf!

Anyways it should be called the American Gulf  Wink


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User currently offlinePar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7136 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5018 times:

I guess to those not involved in the situation we have no problem saying what should be done, should not be done, how importatnt it is or not, reality is that any conflict - which always starts with words -, is never done by persons not involved in the conflict. If "outsiders" ever found a way to be helpful, maybe such conflicts would never escalate to shooting wars. If Iran bans airlines from flying into their territory due to a name, that is their right, how their neighbours react to such an act is also their right, I for one wish they would do that, until that happens, no one will take the issue seriously, unfortunately, this also applies to the participants. Only after something happens - good or bad - do you hear the famous words, "You were serious about that?"

User currently offlineRevo1059 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4890 times:

Things like this are why the world is going right down the toilet.

User currently offlineEXAAUADL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4445 times:

Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 1):
Aren't there more important issues in the world for all of these countries to contend with?

Iran has dellusiuons of the old Persian Empire.


User currently offlineDambuster From Switzerland, joined Nov 2006, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2829 times:

Let's just keep it to what they called it from the beginning: The Persian Gulf, if the Arabs had a say in it, then they should've reacted a little sooner than 2000 years later... It's an absurd thing to do to change a place's name... 'nuff said.
Its their right to ban QR. After what they've done, I'd do that too.


User currently offlineYOWza From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 4878 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

Quoting Dambuster (Reply 21):
Let's just keep it to what they called it from the beginning: The Persian Gulf, if the Arabs had a say in it, then they should've reacted a little sooner than 2000 years later... It's an absurd thing to do to change a place's name... 'nuff said.
Its their right to ban QR. After what they've done, I'd do that too.

Well this has been an issue since waaaaay before 2000. As for QR adopting this naming convention they are simply following the norms in their region. They are not the only ones.

YOWza



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User currently offlineAnalog From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2764 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 10):

The issue is still being fought out and there is a war of words at the moment. There is Yugoslav Macedonia and Greek Macedonia and any name must reflect that fact !!! No one country has the right to soley use the name ''Macedonia'' . In the end they will both have to come to the table and agree a compromise.

No country has the right to keep a name to itself. Nothing stops Bolivia from calling itself Berlin, or calling the Pacific Ocean the Ocean of National Sorrow. Other countries might not recognize the new name, but Bolivia has the right to use any name it wants.

Historically Germany included much of what is now Poland and the Czech Republic. Should Germany have to change its name to avoid the appearance of a claim to those lands? The Greek argument that a name is tantamount to a land claim is a red herring.

Quoting Revo1059 (Reply 19):
Things like this are why the world is going right down the toilet.

I disagree. Things like this are amusements that distract one's attention from the world's real problems (genocide, famine, uncomfortable Y-class seats, global warming, you name it). Things like this are often used by governments to distract the public from more substantial internal and international issues.

Quoting Dambuster (Reply 21):
Its their right to ban QR. After what they've done, I'd do that too.

What? Should Japan stop KE from landing if it uses the words "East Sea" during flights (which it may very well do)?


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 12 hours ago) and read 2576 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 5):
The truth of the matter is that the term "Arabian Gulf" appears in the inflight maps only (also the inflight magazine)... Certainly its not as if QR is PROMOTING the term or something....

But the Arabs have illegally created this term when the actual name still exists, QR also list Iran as an Asian country and not part of the Middle East in their maps.


25 Curious : This is just huff & puff on the part of the Speaker of parliament, soon they will all forget about it. But actually the term is the persian gulf, The
26 Analog : How is their use of "Arabian Gulf" illegal? It may be incorrect, but so what? Is Iran so sensitive that it cannot bear the use of an "incorrect" name
27 Curious : indeed, just laying out that the international legal term is Persian Gulf. the Arabs can call it what they want its always been Arabian Gulf to them
28 777way : India should start calling Arabian Sea as Indian Sea and lets see how the Arabs take it, as it is the so called Arabian sea actually only borders two
29 Analog : Thats India's prerogative. One would hope that the Arabs would be grown-up enough to not escalate beyond a simple "You're using the wrong name; we'd
30 Cakentennis : I'm tempted to say it's a useless battle. Earlier I thought Iran had a point as I assumed it had maritime authority over the Persian/Arabian gulf. Wik
31 Curious : I am surprissed the moderators havent deleted this topic as it goes way beyond avaiation. But I dont think its childish at all you dont understand th
32 Post contains images Lightsaber : The naming of the gulf must be contentious. A quick look on EK's website found no reference to gulf. Lots of talk about the waters and water skiing (e
33 Post contains images Prebennorholm : The Baltic Sea is called "Eastern Sea" in Danish language. In Estonian language the same water is called "Western Sea". I guess we should ban Estonian
34 Cakentennis : I am not denying the irrationality of that either, though, that's an entirely different discussion. If you would be aware of certain 'other' factors
35 Analog : In German too: Ostsee. Either that, or they're confused about the Sea of Japan.
36 StarGoldLHR : This may affect far more than just QR flights to Tehran.... QR and EK flights to Europe and America use Iranian Airspace as an alternative to over fly
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