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User currently offlineBaexecutive From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 755 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2743 times:

Now that BA have offloaded GB Airways/BMED and the franchise agreements for Loganair and Comair up for renewal next year, what are your thoughts on the usefulness of these arangements? Do you think the agreements will be renewed for Loganair/Comair?

J

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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11686 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2729 times:

I thought it had already been decided not to renew the BA agreement with Loganair? I may be mistaken, but I'm sure I heard this mentioned somewhere.


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User currently offlineBaexecutive From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 755 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2704 times:

I've not heard anything on that score. My friend who works for BA has mentioned that they are trying to move away from franchises so its a possibility I suppose.

Thanks

J


User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11686 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 2673 times:

After a little google search, I think this might answer your question;

http://www.orkneytoday.co.uk/news_item.asp?newsItem=2685

It seems that instead of Loganair running BA flights as a franchise, Loganair will operate on their own, but the flights will still retain BA numbers so that through booking is possible. According to the article, no flights will change.


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User currently offlineYak97 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2602 times:

Is Sunair the only franchise left in Europe?

User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2526 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2586 times:

Quoting Baexecutive (Thread starter):
Do you think the agreements will be renewed for Loganair/Comair?

Comair franchise agreement has been extended for another 11 years this summer. BA is happy with its operations in South Africa. I think BA could even try to find other partners but no more UK airlines.



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User currently offlineTonforty From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

I was going to start a thread regarding this myself. As far as I am aware, the franchise agreement with Loganair will end in October 2008. However, they will then have a codeshare agreement. What kind of differences will this make for passengers?

User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 4030 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2529 times:

What makes you guys believe that BA is the one that is deciding on the end of these agreements? Loganair probably is more than happy to end the franchise as it is quite useless for them now that BA has axed almost all flights from Scotland and stopped handling. Loganair cut back the franchise a while ago to exclude the intra-island flights for cost reasons, IIRC.

User currently offlineTonforty From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2508 times:

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 7):
What makes you guys believe that BA is the one that is deciding on the end of these agreements? Loganair probably is more than happy to end the franchise as it is quite useless for them now that BA has axed almost all flights from Scotland and stopped handling. Loganair cut back the franchise a while ago to exclude the intra-island flights for cost reasons, IIRC.

That's a very good point. I just hope the service doesn't go downhill as Loganair is the airline that I fly with the most. Not that there's any reason it should.


User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3650 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2351 times:

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 7):
What makes you guys believe that BA is the one that is deciding on the end of these agreements?

Because in the case of both Bmed & GB airways, the agreement included a 1st refusal to purchase if the airline was ever up for sale. In both cases BA decided not to exercise that right, but to try and keep the LHR slots.


User currently offlineTheginge From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 1132 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2283 times:

Quoting Baexecutive (Thread starter):
Now that BA have offloaded GB Airways/BMED and the franchise agreements for Loganair and Comair up for renewal next year, what are your thoughts on the usefulness of these arangements? Do you think the agreements will be renewed for Loganair/Comair?

It wasn't BA that offloaded them as such. GB and BMED were sold to its competitors. Yes BA had the first refusal to buy but it didn't fit business needs. As competitors bought these two airlines there was no choice but to end the franchise.


User currently offlineBAOPS777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2121 times:

Quoting AIR MALTA (Reply 5):
Comair franchise agreement has been extended for another 11 years this summer. BA is happy with its operations in South Africa. I think BA could even try to find other partners but no more UK airlines.

Comair franchise is a big money earner it opens up the South African network and connects to BA's 2x Daily JNB and in the winter 2x daily CPT and in the summer 1x daily JNB.
They also connect HRE with the BA mainline network. So even though HRE is no longer served direct it is now served daily to LHR via comair to JNB.

Quoting Yak97 (Reply 4):
Sunair

Or to give it's official title Sunair of Scandinavia is also a very valuable franchise to BA.

As Willie Walsh BA's chief exec said " UK franchises have outlived there purpose"

Also that Comair still bring alot of revenue and link regional airports to some of BA's busiest South African routes and Sun Air operates Scandinavian services to key business airports


User currently offlineAisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 763 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2052 times:

Quoting Tonforty (Reply 6):
the franchise agreement with Loganair will end in October 2008. However, they will then have a codeshare agreement. What kind of differences will this make for passengers?

Passenger won't receive standard BA service as BA can't control the product anymore. I'm not saying better or worse, just different.

It also means several handling and FF changes.
Now Loganair will be a standalone airline and could have their own FF program instead of having to use BA's Executive Club.
Loganair flights, even booked on a BA code, won't be part of oneworld, thus only BA's Executive Club member will be able to get miles although they might not get tier status flying Loganair/BA codeshares (Aer Lingus, Alaska and Brussels are good examples).
Any oneworld Emerald and Sapphire cardholders won't have access to BA's lounges at Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen and Inverness as the flight won't be operated by a ow franchise anymore.
Also, flights involving connections onto other airlines might not be elegible for through check-in if BA is not the ticket handler anymore.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27240 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2039 times:

I heard that BA will take up some GB routes. Does anyone know if LGW-TFS will be maintained by BA ????

User currently offlineBAOPS777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2024 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 13):
I heard that BA will take up some GB routes. Does anyone know if LGW-TFS will be maintained by BA ????

No I am afraid TFS will not continue in BA colours next summer. The routes BA will take over are:

LGW to Faro, Gibralter, Ibiza, Malaga, Palma and Tunis.

LHR to Faro and Malage.

Thats it for the routes that will fly in BA mainline colours next summer


User currently offlineAi2316 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2007, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1992 times:

Quoting BAOPS777 (Reply 14):
No I am afraid TFS will not continue in BA colours next summer. The routes BA will take over are:

LGW to Faro, Gibralter, Ibiza, Malaga, Palma and Tunis.

LHR to Faro and Malage.

Thats it for the routes that will fly in BA mainline colours next summer

It's a same BA are not continuing with the LGW-FNC route next summer.


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