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United To Launch DEN-LHR Nonstop  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25046 posts, RR: 46
Posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11408 times:

Long hinted at... commences March 30, 2008

UA948 DEN-LHR 1855-1050+1 B777
UA939 LHR-DEN 1305-1614 B777


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21499 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11413 times:

But couldn't they have done this all along? Denver is an LHR city and UAL is an LHR carrier under B2.


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25046 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11396 times:

Nope, would have been to LGW, along with forcing BA to shift its DEN flight to LGW.

With open skies no longer restricted.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11517 posts, RR: 61
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11370 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
But couldn't they have done this all along? Denver is an LHR city and UAL is an LHR carrier under B2.

No, it couldn't. DEN was not a "LHR city." It was what I guess you would call - in the context of B2 - a "conditional LHR city." It could only be served from LGW by a U.S. carrier, but could be served from LHR by a British carrier. And, the U.S. carrier could only move their flight from LGW to LHR if the traffic on the route reached a certain level, which the market never did, as it was only a single daily flight.


User currently offlineDaron4000 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 712 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11297 times:

Awesome...will this be announced publically soon? And where does the plane come from? Will this effect other LHR routes?

User currently offlineDIA77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 705 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11291 times:

I'm happy for this long awaited news, but a DEN-NRT flight would have gotten me a lot more excited. I wonder how BA and UA will be able to coexist in this market. BA has had pretty average loads on DEN-LHR (not bad but not great either).

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11223 times:

As a Denver resident, this makes me very happy! The more options the better, especially since I'm a Mileage Plus member.

Quoting DIA77 (Reply 5):
BA has had pretty average loads on DEN-LHR (not bad but not great either).

I'm assuming LHR's growing negative reputation and LH's growth in DEN (FRA and MUC service) may be affecting BA's service.

In the past, BA's DEN flights were always extremely full.

I do hope the two LHR flights can coexist.



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User currently offlineDIA77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 705 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11158 times:

Quoting BA (Reply 6):
I'm assuming LHR's growing negative reputation and LH's growth in DEN (FRA and MUC service) may be affecting BA's service.

I think you're right BA. I just checked the loads in March and April of 2007 on DEN-LHR and they are both around the 82% mark (which is pretty good). I'm not sure what the breakdown is though between passengers up front and in the back....


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11135 times:

Quoting DIA77 (Reply 7):
I just checked the loads in March and April of 2007 on DEN-LHR and they are both around the 82% mark (which is pretty good).

82% is pretty darn good, especially for that far out.

I also just remembered that next March, Terminal 5 in LHR will be completed which will be for BA only. The state-of-the-art facility should make transiting through LHR on BA more appealing than it is currently so this should help make BA more competitive.

I guess only time will tell...



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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11122 times:

Quoting BA (Reply 6):
In the past, BA's DEN flights were always extremely full.

I remember when this route was operated with 744 equip. Since then, LH came in with the A342, then the A343, and now a mixed bag of 744s and A346s for the FRA route and an A343 for the MUC route. And BA was left with a 777 on the LHR route. Times change quick. I would expect UA to put a 777 on the new route to LHR.



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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7247 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 11070 times:
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DL goes to CDG from SLC, and now UA goes to LHR from DEN.

This wasn't a huge surprise...

Congrats UA.


User currently offlinePlatinumfoota From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 556 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 10959 times:
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With United expanding to more international routes, where is United finding the planes for these routes? It just amazes me they are expanding without new aircrafts.


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User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4005 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10839 times:
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Quoting Platinumfoota (Reply 11):
With United expanding to more international routes, where is United finding the planes for these routes? It just amazes me they are expanding without new aircrafts.

I was just thinking the same thing. Do they have any 772s in storage? Are they going to convert any of their domesticl 772s to international. I know range can be an issue but wouldn't these a/c do well from IAD and a few shorter TA's from ORD?

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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25046 posts, RR: 46
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10832 times:

Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 4):
will this be announced publically soon

Yes

Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 4):
And where does the plane come from?

Last I checked Boeing  Silly

Quoting Daron4000 (Reply 4):
Will this effect other LHR routes?

No.

Sum08 schedule calls for IAD x4, ORD x3, SFO 2x and LAX 1x from LHR in addition to the new DEN service.

Quoting DIA77 (Reply 5):
I wonder how BA and UA will be able to coexist in this market

I'm sure UA will do quite well being able to offer connectivity across the Mountain West plus some UK and European connectivity with BMI and other Star partners. BA on the other hand is primarily stuck with only European end feed but suspect they should be able to hang in there just fine still.

Quoting Platinumfoota (Reply 11):
where is United finding the planes for these routes? It just amazes me they are expanding without new aircrafts.

Just shows there is still some slack in the schedules. Also remember 3 class widebodies still operate domestic legs segments which can be further pruned to create additional international lift opportunities. Very much the way DL added 767 flying by refocusing them towards international ops away from dozen ATL-Florida hops.



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21499 posts, RR: 60
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10718 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 3):
It could only be served from LGW by a U.S. carrier, but could be served from LHR by a British carrier. And, the U.S. carrier could only move their flight from LGW to LHR if the traffic on the route reached a certain level, which the market never did, as it was only a single daily flight.

Well that's convoluted...  Wink

Good riddance B2!



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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10683 times:

The timing of this flight is much better suited for a routing from TUS than UA's other LHR flights. Only problem is, a one-stop routing through DEN is $300 more expensive than a one-stop through SFO or LAX, both of which have outrageous connection times (too long), and that still costs more than what other carriers are charging for TUS-LON.

User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10554 times:

Great news, I have been waiting for it. i had heard that it was going to start in June, but the earlier the better so far asi am concerned. This will prove to be a very succesful route for UA IMHO.

User currently offlineAlgoz From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10541 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Long hinted at... commences March 30, 2008

UA948 DEN-LHR 1855-1050+1 B777
UA939 LHR-DEN 1305-1614 B777

If you are a United employee, then you will know that this was supposed to be company confidential until Thursday. I'm sure there are many UA employees who would have liked to have spilled the beans on this one, but respected the request for confidentiality.....
If you're not, then you obviously know someone at UA who likewise didn't play ball.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11517 posts, RR: 61
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10530 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
Well that's convoluted... Wink

Good riddance B2!

Well you can say that again.

I think most of us (sans Willie Walsh) will be quite happy to see all of that "convoluted" (that's a very diplomatic way of putting it) bullsh*t be gone forever.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32688 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 10495 times:

Quoting Algoz (Reply 17):
If you are a United employee, then you will know that this was supposed to be company confidential until Thursday. I'm sure there are many UA employees who would have liked to have spilled the beans on this one, but respected the request for confidentiality.....
If you're not, then you obviously know someone at UA who likewise didn't play ball.

Considering the information is publicly available on public booking systems, it doesn't really matter. It's been in booking systems, available to all to see, for the past few hours.

[Edited 2007-11-01 02:28:24]


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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 10142 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 13):
I'm sure UA will do quite well being able to offer connectivity across the Mountain West plus some UK and European connectivity with BMI and other Star partners. BA on the other hand is primarily stuck with only European end feed but suspect they should be able to hang in there just fine still.

My thoughts exactly. I think UA will do fine on this route! Congrats to UA. I can't wait to see a DEN-NRT route, I think that is next although probably better served by a 787  Wink


User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1465 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 10047 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 19):
Considering the information is publicly available on public booking systems, it doesn't really matter. It's been in booking systems, available to all to see, for the past few hours.

Which is a little surprising to me, don't airlines typically announce before loading into GDS'es? (Because of people like ourselves!)



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User currently offlineSparkingWave From South Korea, joined Jun 2005, 670 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9931 times:

Well, DEN - LHR is some consolation for the fact that UA gave up JFK - LHR.

How many U.S. nonstops to LHR does UA have now?

I seem to remember LAX - LHR, SFO - LHR, ORD - LHR, and IAD - LHR. Are there any others I've forgotten?



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User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9917 times:

Quoting SparkingWave (Reply 22):
I seem to remember LAX - LHR, SFO - LHR, ORD - LHR, and IAD - LHR. Are there any others I've forgotten?

Thats the lot, with the inclusion of DEN, UA will serve all its hubs in the US from LHR from March 2008.


User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1465 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 9901 times:

Quoting SparkingWave (Reply 22):
Well, DEN - LHR is some consolation for the fact that UA gave up JFK - LHR.

Not really, DEN-LHR will far outperform JFK-LHR. UA/*A can provide feed on both ends, not to mention DEN and LHR are very large O&D markets on their own.



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25 JoFMO : No
26 RayChuang : I believe that UA could start DEN-LHR because DEN now has that 16,000 foot runway, which makes it possible for a fully-loaded 747-400 or 777-200ER to
27 LAXintl : As MAH4546 along with AirTranTUS mention flights were already loaded and bookable in public GDS systems. (including United.com) In addition other web
28 Bartond : Great news for DEN. I hope that it doesn't greatly reduce the BA flight but for some reason I don't think it will. As stated before, DEN will provide
29 Post contains images United787 : Your question was previously answered
30 LH506 : How many domestic 777 & 763 does UA have?
31 UAL777UK : Would love to see another 747 from UA in LHR, alas a shortage of metal might prove that will not be the case. I am surprised we have not seen an offi
32 Manny : Finally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
33 BA : DEN-NRT is I think more likely on ANA once they receive their 787s rather than UA. In a recent article in the Denver Post, it was reported that UA is
34 UnitedNRT : B777-200 XA - 6 B767-300 MD - 14 United is very interested in operating Denver-Tokyo Narita but the aircraft available aren't suitable to the operati
35 Post contains links LAXintl : For those waiting on the press release http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/071101/aqth156.html?.v=14
36 N1120A : Actually, that isn't how it worked. DEN was not an LHR gateway from either side. The reason BA was able to move their flight from Gatwick to Heathrow
37 Jfk777 : Finally a US airline flies from Denver ti London for the first time since Continental did it back in the day from Stapelton Airport. A CO flight from
38 F9Widebody : Not relevant. Ba has been doing the flight for 10 years with a fully loaded 777, well before 16R/34L was constructed.
39 Stylo777 : there are also rumours going around here in FRA... they talk about a come-back of United's DEN-FRA flight which was doing good until it has been stopp
40 N1120A : Well, BA's 777s can carry 8,000 pounds more weight that United's. The main reason, however, for 16R/34L was so that United's 772ERs could make DEN-NR
41 MAH4546 : Not only did it not do well, but it was not discontinued as a result of 9/11.
42 LH423 : Not entirely. That helps, but the main reason is that UA wouldn't have to open LGW for a single flight to DEN. LH423
43 LH506 : Thanks. What is the range? Can they be converted for longhaul?
44 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : Not quite again.
45 Lesismore : I don't think its any consoloation for those loyal UA customers in the Tri-State area. Its sad that UA has given up so much at JFK. It doesn't seem t
46 Basrabob : UA sorted , DL sorted & AA all sorted for the Sum 08 season ....why is it taking CO & NW so long to announce their S08 LON schedules . You would have
47 Super80DFW : I'm glad to see UA has finally seen what they have let BA have for years when they should have been the first one's with LON service.
48 ConcordeBoy : Mostly location. ...in the event you haven't paid attention to the very clear explanation given several times in this thread and others-- it's becaus
49 BA : It was a summer seasonal service only and never returned the following summer. Perhaps 9/11 did have something to do with it not returning, but you'r
50 AussieItaliano : Does anyone know where the slot is coming from?
51 ContinentalEWR : About time! The last time a US carrier flew Denver-London was Continental, with a DC10-30 from Stapleton to Gatwick. Hooray!
52 UnitedNRT : IIRC the slots are coming from Air Canada, I could very well be wrong, but United will not suspend any of its current frequencies to London as of APR
53 MAH4546 : The announcement that the flight would not return, IIRC, was made before 9/11.
54 Post contains images Viscount724 : The first DEN-London (LGW) nonstop service was Western Airlines in April 1981 as part of their short-lived (about 18 months) transatlantic operation
55 DenverDanny : I hope this brings prices down, not that BA's are too bad as they are now, usually starting around 800 dollars. I plan on going to London in the sprin
56 UAL777UK : UnitedNRT is correct as far as I know, I just wonder howmany other slots UA can use to expand ops. They leased one or more to VS IIRC, perhaps someon
57 DIA : In terms of all the UA to NRT talk...I can confidently say that DIA still sees an ANA 787 on this route as the more-likely scenario. ANA and DIA have
58 BA : DIA, I've heard the exact same as well and this is what was reported in the Denver Post not too long ago.
59 ConcordeBoy : No doubt, though the route's surprisingly short.... 752 capable.
60 AeroWesty : ANC-LGW is 4514 mi vs. EWR-TXL at 3980 mi. People constantly say EWR-TXL pushes the extremes in terms of range of the 757 TATL. Is that incorrect?
61 Ikramerica : It does for CO because their 757HGW isn't as HGW was some other airlines. but either way 4500nm is too much. The only thing I could think is maybe it
62 N1120A : There is no such thing as a 757HGW. Further, CO's aircraft are not only rated to the full 255,000 pounds, but the winglets given them the maximum pos
63 ConcordeBoy : It's true, though further routes have been opped with that aircraft in scheduled service. Keep in mind that the dynamics of operating E/W over the N.
64 MSYtristar : ANC-LGW is 3922nm. That's about 400nm and change further than EWR-TXL.
65 AeroWesty : Interesting, on the 109th page here it says about CO's 757s: I wonder what they're talking about in an SEC report?
66 ConcordeBoy : they're talking about the specs on those aircraft as they were 10 years ago when the report was presented.....
67 AeroWesty : Of course, but they use the language "high gross weight" nonetheless. We were talking about if there is a HGW version of the 757 on this tangent. Doe
68 ConcordeBoy : Airline internal designation has no bearing on the official/technical state of being for any model. Lest you forget other classic examples such as: B
69 AeroWesty : I'm not forgetting a thing. This wasn't the airline referring to the 757 as HGW, it was their aircraft valuation company referring to it as such.
70 ConcordeBoy : ...when you hear Boeing using the designation-- or anything remotely similar, then "worry" about it.
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