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Last Ever SAA B747 Flight Today  
User currently offlineSAA201 From South Africa, joined May 2001, 512 posts, RR: 2
Posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16469 times:

Hi all

What will probably the last ever flight operated by an SAA B747 will touch down this afternoon.
SA055, operated by ZS-SAK, from Luanda is scheduled to land at 18h25, bringing to an end 36 years of continuous B747 service with SAA (well, 35years, 360 days to be exact!).

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User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5576 posts, RR: 32
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 16387 times:

Sad, but memorable, day for South African aviation. I flew only once on their 747s and, as airline experiences go, the service was great and crew were terrific, if a little inconvenient, having to fly around "the bulge".

And I loved the swanlike paintwork around the flight deck:


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User currently offlineRichie72 From Sweden, joined Sep 2007, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 16336 times:

I didnt realise that they would be gone so soon!

So last nights SA235 from LHR -JNB was the last ever B744 flight from Heathrow in SAA colours ?
I will miss seeing them at Terminal 1 during my many upcoming trips through Heathrow T1 ....


User currently offlineEbbUK From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 16318 times:

so from now on, it is A340s for longhaul? Wow who would have thought 36 yrs ago.

User currently offlineEGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1712 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 16301 times:
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An SAA 747-400 did a marvellous display at Yeovilton Air Day in 2005... what a shame they are going. Who is taking them? Or are they being scrapped?


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User currently offlineQF744ER From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 16291 times:

If anyone knows the future homes of these SAA B744's can they please post.

I know ZS-SAX which is now N787MD is heading to Transaero but that still leaves -SAY, SAZ, SBK and SBS.

SBK and SBS both GE powered and were built for PR in 00/98 before being taken up by SAA in 12/98 l/n's 1158 and 1167 so they aren't that old.

Personally I think it's a very odd decision of SAA management to withdraw the B747's from the fleet.

rgds

Tom/PER


User currently offlineQF744ER From Australia, joined Jun 2004, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 16234 times:

Forgot ZS-SAK l/n 1162 and delivered 06/98 so also another newish bird as far a B744 pax birds go.

So that's SAK, SAY, SAZ, SBK and SBS that are looking for new homes.


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 16139 times:

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 6):
Forgot ZS-SAK l/n 1162 and delivered 06/98 so also another newish bird as far a B744 pax birds go.

So that's SAK, SAY, SAZ, SBK and SBS that are looking for new homes.

I dont think they'll be sat around for too long. They have been as well looked after as any 747 on the planet - they are in lovely condition mechanically - kudos to SA Tech who are some of the best in the business.

I would think VS would look at one or more to bolster the LGW/MAN leisure stuff. Oasis Hong Kong are desperate for 744s and I would think LY and PK would be interested as well. Perhaps SV as well? TG may look at the two newest birds as they are more than ten years newer than TG's oldest 744s which are looking rather tired and long in the tooth now.

They may also go for conversion - a lot of that happening now.



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User currently offlineDavidkunzVIE From Austria, joined Mar 2007, 431 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 16140 times:

A sad day and it kind of surprised me to see them gone so soon.

Perhaps there's hope for the A380 if communality is an issue. I suppose that LHR, FRA, JFK could need it.



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User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4282 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 16074 times:

Quoting DavidkunzVIE (Reply 8):
Perhaps there's hope for the A380 if communality is an issue. I suppose that LHR, FRA, JFK could need it.

Doubtful - SAA has already indicated that the LHR routes lose money, and the increased competition on the route means that additional capacity would likely prove futile.



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User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3415 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 15971 times:

Quoting Avek00 (Reply 9):
Doubtful - SAA has already indicated that the LHR routes lose money, and the increased competition on the route means that additional capacity would likely prove futile.

Well, A350 then  box   praise 


User currently offlineRichie72 From Sweden, joined Sep 2007, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15926 times:

Anybody going to be in JNB at 18h25 to get a photo touching down from LAD?

If so please post a picture......


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2964 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15898 times:

More 747's on the market, why do I suspect AI might want some, even though AI operates only PW powered 744's, but you never know, AI is certified to overhaul the CF6 (they have them on their 743's)!


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User currently offlineFlymad From South Africa, joined Jun 2006, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15870 times:

Quoting Avek00 (Reply 9):
Doubtful - SAA has already indicated that the LHR routes lose money, and the increased competition on the route means that additional capacity would likely prove futile.

IIRC the LHR route was only losing money because of the B744 and this was only because the lease costs on the aircraft were so high. I do not think it had much to do with operating costs as much as the actual cost of leasing the aircraft. IIRC there was a huge annual increase built into the lease agreement that could not or would not be re-negotiated so the only solution was to ground the aircraft. I stand to be corrected, but i think this was the jist of the reasoning behind it.


User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10365 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15763 times:

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 6):
So that's SAK, SAY, SAZ, SBK and SBS that are looking for new homes.

I guess the RR-powered aircraft will go to Transaero as well, I doubt they´ll stay with a single 744. As for the others, they´ll be picked up soon. 744s are still in hot demand, mainly as conversion objects nowadays. Currently there is not a single 744 in longer-term storage anymore.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6413 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15734 times:

The 744 is still a very efficient and versatile plane with excellent CASM. I'm sure the SA birds won't be homeless for long.


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User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10365 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15655 times:

I´ve very good memories with SAAs 747, flying First Class on ZS-SAV (now a CX freighter) a few years ago.
Does it mean, no First Class on SAA aircraft anymore? The A346s have an excellent Businessclass though, which, for nighflights, even make a better bed than the First Class.


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15583 times:

Wow, sad thought - SAA without jumbos. O tempora, o mores  Smile Many fond memories of flying all over the world on SAA 747, 743, 744 and SP's

LHR, AMS, LIS, MAD, FRA, ORY, BCN, ZRH, FCO, SID, JFK, MIA, HKG, MRU, TPE, JNB, CPT, DUR, GIG, LPA, MXP, ABJ


User currently offlineLegoguy From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 3311 posts, RR: 40
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15392 times:

Excuse my ignorance but what will happen to the SAA 747 pilots? Will they be trained to fly the A340's or will they move airline, or perhaps even retire? Sad to see the 747's leave their fleet however SAA is left in good hands with the A340's.

Anything on future possible SAA orders? Such as the A330, 787 and A350?



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User currently offlineAcelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 814 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 15369 times:

Where is SAA getting the A340's from to cover all the LHR flights? Have they rehashed some
schedules to get better use of them?
Last time I was at LHR (April 07) think there where 3 SAA 747-400's in...

cheers



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User currently offlineHaan From South Africa, joined Aug 2004, 289 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 15206 times:

Very Sad day in SAA's history again. Will miss seeing those SAA B744's at Joburg

User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2169 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14674 times:

So, what is the replacement? More 346s?


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User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14562 times:

Wow, i didn't not realise they would go so soon, and i would have probably taken a trip down to LHR to see them leave.

Are these final planes RR powered?

That may have a strong influence on where they end up.


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User currently offlineNEMA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 707 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14287 times:

Quoting Braybuddy (Reply 1):
Sad, but memorable, day for South African aviation

Sad day for aviation world wide, not just SA

Quoting Richie72 (Reply 2):
I didnt realise that they would be gone so soon

Me neither, quite surprised to hear this.

Quoting QF744ER (Reply 5):
Personally I think it's a very odd decision of SAA management to withdraw the B747's from the fleet.

Yep, not so much an odd decision as there are alternatives on the market as we know, but i would say perhaps more unusual because they have already enjoyed having them on their fleet. So they become a world passenger carrier not having a 747 when so many competitors have, seems surprising that they have ultimately called it a day.



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User currently offlineBraby From UK - England, joined Mar 2007, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 13629 times:

It's going to seem strange looking over to the BMI hangar where they park up during the day at LHR and seeing 340's parked up instead of the 744's. The 744's were always easy to work on.

I was lucky enough to fly on them regularly to JNB and always enjoyed the flight, I always tried to get upstairs with the extra leg room! Going to miss that on the 340's.


25 Haan : Nothing, SAA was returned 3 A340-300E's they leased to Jet earlier and they cancelled Paris and Zurich, so in SAA's eys, they dont need the B744's an
26 Post contains links and images CV990 : Hi! It is indeed a "strange" chapter, seeing SAA WFU their 747's! I remember seeing SAA 747's and 747SP's passing by LIS years and years, fantastic ti
27 GDB : Like Barby, I've noticed fewer SAA 747's at LHR latterly, (3 here each day was not unknown), more A340-600's with the odd A340-200.
28 PHKLM : Nice shot of the KL A310 as well!
29 Post contains links and images Stickers : Having grown up in JHB, and having always enjoyed seeing 747's at O R Tambo inetrnational, it is indeed a sad day. I will miss them, (even though i do
30 Ryanair737 : Such a shame they are going, hopefully they will be snapped up quickly with another airline. CPT has been running on a A346 for a few months now.
31 Post contains images JGPH1A : Ahem. JNB. Get it right...
32 Post contains links and images Springbok295 : What a shame to see them go, living the UK now I regularly flew on these 747's between JNB and LHR, always tried sitting upstais for the extra legroom
33 A5XX : I hope Ndizani will be saved.. She had the most beautiful livery of all the 747's that i've seen. A5XX
34 American 767 : I am also surprised that SAA has withdrawn completely the 747 from its fleet. I understand that they have withdrawn the Classics (200/300/SP) but the
35 Springbok295 : I believe SAA have just acquired a 737-300 freigher, they also still operate a couple of 200 series.
36 Shankly : Flew SA220 CPT-LHR on 29th Oct in A346 'ND and taxied into the stand behind the "THE GREAT NORTH" which had landed just before us from JNB. Very sad t
37 Post contains images Leezyjet : The B744 will be back in December, I'll be coming down on one I have noticed with-in South Africa, the code JHB is used by some domestic airlines, wh
38 OA260 : Shame to see them go . I only ever flew once on SAA and that was on ''Kapstadt'' from FRA-JNB in Business class. Have to say it was a really nice flig
39 Stokes : I had the pleasure of flying Atlanta-Capetown-JHB just over four years ago. As we taxied out in Atlanta, the pilot came on (in a great SA accent) to w
40 Jetblue32 : I heard the A340's burn about 40% less fuel per passenger than the 747's. Can anyone as an insider confirm if this is true? While I will miss the 744'
41 DTWAGENT : Question? Is the A340's better on fuel then the B744's?? Chuck
42 Jetblue32 : Oh, one more question: do the flights to JNB from JFK and IAD go nonstop? Or do they stopover in Accra or Dakar?
43 Jfk777 : Very sad to see SAA's long history end with the 747. SAA now sems to be run by " Blame the Coleman Andrews era" for every bad thing that happens.
44 Skyhigh777 : Glad I got to ride the 747 when they first starte the IAD-JNB route! Very comfortable!
45 Post contains images Norcal773 : Huuh? See below.
46 COA735 : WOW. I didn't hear about this. I think they had 6 active 747's left. Were they replaced with new aircraft yet? I believe the JFK(340-200) and IAD(340-
47 Post contains images Leskova : After 3 flights on SAA's B747-200s, 6 on B747-300s and 1 on a B747SP, I guess that even I will miss seeing the B747 in SAA's colors, regardless of the
48 Post contains images JGPH1A : Shouldn't be - everyone uses the same codes usually. JHB is Johore Bharu, Malaysia. B747-300SUD (These kids today)
49 Speedbird128 : Both the A340-600 and A340-300E fly the KIAD-FAJS leg non-stop. Around 15.15 to 15.40 flying time. Well - no denying, it was definitely the start. (T
50 Reggaebird : I doubt that in October or November 2043 people will get the chance to say, "...today is the last flight of an A380 for ????airline name here????...".
51 Springbok295 : I think it would be great to see SAA order some ultra long haul 777-200/300LR and operate them on the JNB-LAX or JNB-IAH routes...... you can dream ca
52 Tso : All RR-powered 744's are going to Transaero. GE pwoered ones will be subleased to PAL till 2010
53 Post contains images Rj111 : There's no such thing as a 743SUD, they have a long upper deck as standard. The 747-200 had a short deck and could therefore be retrofitted to a SUD,
54 Speedbird128 : Don't bank on SAA getting any more aircraft at all. They did place an order for A320's, but I believe that has been shelved due the current financial
55 Swallow : KL, QF and MH also fly the 744 to JNB I flew the 346 JNB-ATL when SA still refuelled in SID. The first officer told me they had taken on board 90 ton
56 Speedbird128 : Also, Cathay have been using the B744 lately, and then TAAG operate the B743 too
57 NEMA : I agree, which is why my comment read that so many competitors have 747's, not suggesting all competitors have. Competitors who dont currently have 7
58 JGPH1A : I know that. SAA never had retrofit SUD's - they were all new build 300's. They were still called SUD's though.
59 Speedbird128 : Hi NEMA, That's the problem. A lot of SAA aircraft were sold and leased back - so their value as assets flew out the window, and ushered in a new lif
60 Shankly : Speedbird128 Indeed. I've never been on a 744 or A346 on the LHR-CPT run that wasn't packed to the gunnels. If you can't make money on this and the JN
61 NA : I was expecting that the RR-powered ones would all go to Transaero. That must be 4 aircraft. Didn´t hear about Philippine Airlines getting the other
62 NEMA : Yep, if this is the case then sadly many questions are both answered and created here and, all that we can do with companies that are badly managed i
63 Post contains images Leezyjet : Ah ha, thats where my confusion came from then. I knew they called them SUD's, but I only thought that reffered to the -200 with the conversion, not
64 Post contains images JGPH1A : :-P I'm not blind The abbreviations JHB, CTN, DBN are used in SA on signs and in documents, but I've never seen them at airports, nor would they be u
65 Post contains images Stickers : Sorry - my bad. As mentioned above, i am used to using the abbreviation in documents etc. Thanks, I was at JNB (got it right this time ) today, and s
66 Post contains images Speedbird128 : Check reply 56 Could have saved you the trip hehe... I spend (almost) every day there... Dunno whether that's good or bad...
67 Grantcv : Sad day indeed. I remember being allowed to run outside during second grade class when the very first one arrived and flew over my school in 1971. One
68 Post contains images Leezyjet : Yeah I believe that Onetime use the wrong codes on their pre-printed tags. Certainly did when I flew with them, although I never bothered to keep the
69 Post contains links and images Andz : My first ever 747 flight was SAA, HRE-LAD-LHR in November 1972 Going to miss the 744s, I have a LHR-JNB flight in a couple of weeks. I took this pic o
70 Flymad : Here is a quote from Kyaha Ngqula (CEO SAA) from an interview on Moneyweb on 04 June 2007 [Yes, they are no longer going to fly any more, and we are
71 Post contains links SAA201 : Well, that flight mentioned on Thursday 1 Nov 2007 was the last SCHEDULED flight for SAA. However, it aint all over till the fat lady sings.... Due to
72 Post contains images JGPH1A : Pfft, 1Time ? That explains it. LCC's, eh ? What can you do do...? Back then it would have been SAY (Salisbury) - one of the few cities ever to chang
73 QF744ER : SAA201, I'm told ZS-SAZ is operating the delayed SA9280/9281 JNB-PER-JNB not -SAK. rgds Tom/PER
74 Post contains images A5XX : Since her engines have been removed, i'd say the outlook is not very good... It's only a matter of time before she's gonna be broken up... A5XX
75 AirAmericaC46 : Anybody else had flight experiences with SA 747s-----type of 747 aircraft, routing (incllude techstops or diversions) and year or decade of your fligh
76 JGPH1A : Details, you say ? 14Aug80 SA 225 SAA B747-200 ZS-SAM LHR LPA JNB 24May88 SA 228 SAA B747-200 ZS-SAO JNB ABJ LHR 29Jun88 SA 247 SAA B747SP ZS-SPE MAD
77 Andz : An SAA 744 flew over where I was at 15:25 local today climbing out of JNB... great to see!
78 AJ : Hi RJ. Boeing did use 'SUD' for marketing the 747-300 when it was first released, I even have the advertisement here somewhere. When the aircraft was
79 Andz : When SAA had 747-300s they were simply referred to as "the SUDs".
80 Viscount724 : I flew on a couple of SA's early 747-200s in 1976 JFK-SID-JNB and back via the same routing. SID = Sal, Cape Verde Islands, then used heavily as a re
81 Gigneil : There isn't a plane in this universe that could fly JNB-LAX profitably, but a nice A340-500 could do JNB-IAH just fine. NS
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