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Skybus A Go To New York/Stewart  
User currently offlineQuagmire123 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7931 times:

Skybus formally announced service to New York/Stewart today. Tickets are already on sale through the SX web site. This route could be really big....however, I am not familiar with Stewart...is it easy to get into the heart of NYC via this airport?

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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7911 times:

I just saw this...Did they just start selling tickets?

This could be big!


User currently offlineQuagmire123 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7901 times:

I am really curious.....I thought I've read things about Ryan Air wanting to possibly start flying into SWF....could this be the beginning of a partnership to have ULCC travel to Europe?

User currently offlineCharlipr From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2005, 340 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7880 times:

Just checked...LOTS OF $10 tickets available!!!!!!!

User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8894 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7883 times:

Quoting Quagmire123 (Thread starter):
is it easy to get into the heart of NYC via this airport?

Depends. SWF is right along I-87, but the access roads from the terminal to I-87 are pretty poor - a lot of looping around. There's a train station in Salisbury Mills/Cornwall but trains are pretty inconvenient, especially after rush hour.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7882 times:

Stewart is a good move. It's a better option than Islip, as it takes traffic from southern new york, connecticut and far northern New Jersey/Northeastern Pennsylvania. And there's rental car options. Public transit into NYC? Not so much...


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User currently offlineQuagmire123 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7863 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 5):
Stewart is a good move. It's a better option than Islip, as it takes traffic from southern new york, connecticut and far northern New Jersey/Northeastern Pennsylvania. And there's rental car options. Public transit into NYC? Not so much...

After a little more research is says there is a shuttle bus you can hop on for $1 which takes you to the Metro North Train line that goes right into Grand Central Station.


User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7853 times:

Quoting Quagmire123 (Thread starter):
is it easy to get into the heart of NYC via this airport?

In a nutshell, NO. I'm sure Skybus will hype this as "New York" not the more appropriate "Newburgh", but there really is not a lot of public transportation there. It would probably take more than 3 hours, typically, to get to Midtown unless you luck out with bus and train times, etc. And a train ticket to GCT is probably $15 each way. Driving to Midtown Manhattan is probably a 90 minute affair, and that's when the Tappan Zee is flowing normally.

Glad to see SWF getting new service though.



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User currently offlineThirteenRight From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7854 times:

This is a great move, but is SWF-CMH really that big of a route? I could see the attraction to flying SX if it was easier to connect but having to check and then recheck your bags is a nightmare.

User currently offlineWjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5119 posts, RR: 22
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7838 times:

Quoting Richierich (Reply 7):
Driving to Midtown Manhattan is probably a 90 minute affair, and that's when the Tappan Zee is flowing normally.

Driving from JFK to Midtown is also often a 90-minute affair.


User currently offlineQuagmire123 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7837 times:

Quoting ThirteenRight (Reply 8):
This is a great move, but is SWF-CMH really that big of a route? I could see the attraction to flying SX if it was easier to connect but having to check and then recheck your bags is a nightmare.

Well, the number of possible connections you can make yourself are starting to increase greatly with all these new routes. If you had a decent amount of time in between connections I'm sure people wouldn't care that much about it. Small price to pay for having the really cheap seats. Besides, what would you be doing during a two hour layover somewhere anyways?


User currently offlineFFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7821 times:

Quoting DeltAirlines (Reply 4):
Depends. SWF is right along I-87, but the access roads from the terminal to I-87 are pretty poor - a lot of looping around. There's a train station in Salisbury Mills/Cornwall but trains are pretty inconvenient, especially after rush hour.

New access road and I-84 exit will be completed soon. Also a new I-84/I-87 intersection is under construction, but it looks like it's going to be awhile before it will be done.

Stewart seems to be on it's way to become a real LCC airport. JetBlue and Airtran are already there, now Skybus. Is Southwest going to be the next one?


User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7810 times:

jetBlue failed on JFK-CMH with loads of $39 fares. I don't see CMH out of SWF working for SX, though I think SWF-BUR or SWF-GSO (given B6's success on JFK-CLT) would be successful.

-A



What now?
User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7784 times:

I bet this decision was related to the fact that B6 is pulling out of CMH.

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 12):
SWF-GSO (given B6's success on JFK-CLT) would be successful.

By the way...anyone Notice yet...That is Two Flights daily to SWF..from both CMH and GSO? Total of 4 flights a day.


Glad there will be a low cost carrier on the route...I could see this being popular....I bet the big next thing will be somewhere in the Chicago area....



P.S. It's only a matter of time before the Skybus Bashers get in on the action in this thread...Have fun Folks!

[Edited 2007-11-01 09:41:38]

User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7741 times:

A nice twist for SX! I hope they can accelerate some of their deliveries, they are going to be very tight on aircraft with very little room for irregular ops.


CMH posted 20% year over year growth for the month of September too as was reported in the Business Journal yesterday, so this will only help that number with B6 pulling out.

[Edited 2007-11-01 09:49:34]

User currently offlineMnevans From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7676 times:

Yep! Looks like tickets are on sale. Just got mine for the second weekend of January. Can't wait!

User currently offlineGregarious119 From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 532 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7663 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 13):
By the way...anyone Notice yet...That is Two Flights daily to SWF..from both CMH and GSO? Total of 4 flights a day.


Glad there will be a low cost carrier on the route...I could see this being popular....I bet the big next thing will be somewhere in the Chicago area....


Yeah, I just noticed that nobody seemed to mention this.

2 x CMH
2 X GSO


User currently offlineItsnotfinals From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7613 times:

Quoting Richierich (Reply 7):
n a nutshell, NO. I'm sure Skybus will hype this as "New York" not the more appropriate "Newburgh",

nope, they spell out Newburgh directly in their announcment email

"Announcing $10 fares to New York/Stewart"

"New York/Stewart (SWF) is located just north of New York City in the Hudson River Valley. With this exciting new destination, Skybus Airlines gives travelers a gateway to New York City, upstate New York, northern New Jersey, and Connecticut. "


User currently offlineFlyPeoria From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 430 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7585 times:

Quoting Gregarious119 (Reply 16):
2 x CMH
2 X GSO

Does anyone believe SX will also start service to ISP? The huge NYC metro area (18 mil) probably could support SX service to more than one area satellite airport.

I'd be surpised if SWF didn't get additional route on SX to Punta Gorda and St. Augustine.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7572 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 13):
I bet this decision was related to the fact that B6 is pulling out of CMH.

Please if B6 could not get people to go to New York proper, not take people more than a 90 minute ride away, why do you think this will be the best thing since sliced bread?



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User currently offlineADXMatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 950 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7552 times:

Quoting FlyPeoria (Reply 18):
Does anyone believe SX will also start service to ISP?

WN would not allow it. WN would add flights to CMH and undercut The Bus. It would drive SkyBus right off the island.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7511 times:

Quoting Quagmire123 (Reply 6):
After a little more research is says there is a shuttle bus you can hop on for $1 which takes you to the Metro North Train line that goes right into Grand Central Station.

That doesn't sound too bad. Have to add the metro north ticket to the fare as well, but it's cheaper than a cab from LGA.

If Stewart was smart, they'd make the shuttle free. What's the point of a nominal $1 charge?



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16822 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7486 times:

Quoting Quagmire123 (Thread starter):
I am not familiar with Stewart...is it easy to get into the heart of NYC via this airport?

60 miles to Mid-Town, terrible traffic jams at the Harriman tolls and Tappan Zee Bridge.



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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7476 times:

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 9):
Driving from JFK to Midtown is also often a 90-minute affair.

Try 30 minutes off-peak and an hour (typically) during rush hour. The longest ride I've ever had Midtown-JFK was still less than 90 minutes... most of that was thanks to the Midtown Tunnel. A rush hour departure to SWF could mean two or more hours behind the wheel.



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User currently offlineFWAERJ From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 3722 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7476 times:

As soon as JetBlue left CMH, I saw this one coming. Is GYY next on the Skybus route map? One can only hope...


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25 Quagmire123 : I'm thinking if your final destination is the city of New York itself, you're probably going to elect to take the train rather than get behind the whe
26 Richierich : OK - then that's fine. I hope this isn't what you mean by 'spelling it out' because the word Newburgh doesn't even appear in your quote. But the word
27 ScottB : Interesting idea, but wrong routes. 2x to each of CMH and GSO will be difficult to consistently fill. Now, SWF to SGJ/PGD I can see as working, at le
28 Post contains images Jimbobjoe : Well as far as I can tell, the Beacon station is about 80 minutes from Grand Central. Ticket price is about $15 peak one way and $11 off peak. Add to
29 CMHSRQ : Anyone notice that the CMH flights start the day B6 leaves?
30 BoeingPride800 : Is there any chance Skybus entering service into SYR? or ALB, ROC, BUF, etc.? Im hopingg
31 Post contains links Ikramerica : Metro-North seams to be examining a Stewart express train of sorts, or at least expanded service. http://www.topix.com/city/salisbury-...o-north-to-st
32 STT757 : NJ Transit Operates MTA's West of the Hudson Rail service from Port Jervis and Spring Valley to Hoboken, the Port Authority and MTA are looking at bu
33 FLYB6JETS : Paging Captain Obvious..... I say squash them like a bug
34 ATLAaron : Could it be the other way around? Perhaps B6 knew SX was coming to NY and decided to get out? It obviously would have further depressed yields.
35 Post contains images AlitaliaMD11 : Great news for my local airport! I'll be sure to photograph the inaugural flight. I'm curious if JetBlue will now be prompted to act on their constant
36 BlueElephant : I agree with you it is obvious...But There seem to be some people who don't see that. I saw that when I put in my post....Quite interesting. Definate
37 BlueElephant : I'd like to think that but I don't think so. A.) Nobody really knows where SX will serve because its kept private till the last minute. We can only s
38 Spinkid : This is great news for those of us living in Western Connecticut and the lower Hudson Valley. It doesn't replace service to JFK from B6, well for me i
39 Quagmire123 : This is one thing I hate about SX currently.....if you're going to advertise Boston and New York you should fully expect that a good number of your pa
40 Post contains links Itsnotfinals : you might have missed this link: http://ask.skybus.com/info/destinations.shtml Each city has extensive information, including this for Newburgh: New
41 FLYB6JETS : Lol, I was just yanking your chain.
42 Post contains images Ikramerica : What's close by? 26-30 miles? Just a brief walk with luggage...
43 Gsoflyer : I read somewhere when doing a google news search while I was in the UK that Ryanair and Skybus were trying to join to sort of share routes. Ryan Air t
44 Post contains images Abrelosojos : = I have not done a first flight from a first airport in a while. I am scheduled to be in Barbados and might reroute flight back to CCS to do this. A
45 Post contains links and images AlitaliaMD11 : I'm hoping to get another one of these: View Large View MediumPhoto © Gordon Gebert JR It was a very cold morning but it was worth it!
46 BillReid : One small killer factor US Customs Clearance. Ryanair wants the fees removed from this process and have interest in going into cities where passenger
47 Gsoflyer : Are you sure Greensboro doesn't have customs clearance of some sort? How do the process the true international flights whether they are cargo or ferr
48 Neuroticdave : Honestly, SWF is a pretty out of the way airport. Its even past West Point. Youd be lucky to make it into the city in 90 minutes, especially during ru
49 Rampart : SWF is now a Port Authority airport, along with JFK, EWR, LGA, and TEB, with an official press conference just today. So, PANJNY is counting on devel
50 Kosmonaute : Metro-North or the shuttle between SWF and the station?
51 Post contains images Revelation : Well, no one seems to care that the "New York Giants" and "New York Jets" play their home games in New Jersey either. Seems appropriate to me... Pax
52 STT757 : The Meadowlands are 4 miles from Mid-Town Manhattan, SWF is 60 miles from Mid-Town.
53 DeltaRules : AA also does CMH-LGA.
54 ADXMatt : I don't know about the fees, but they are usually added to the ticket as a tax. So i don't see the issue. For Ryanair from Ireland you pre-clear immi
55 MAC26000 : I have to agree, STEWART to midtown will 2 - 3 hours. Its always rush hour in NYC
56 Richierich : I'm aware of the PANYNJ buying the airport but that doesn't make it a New York airport yet. In my opinion, it is physically too far away with little
57 Revelation : There's different courses for different horses. The folks that *need* to be in midtown quick will take the G4 to TEB and have the limo drive them in.
58 Avianca707359B : Here we go again with more SkyCrap: I am quoting 'itsonfinals' who is quoting Skybus.com: No it is not. It is 68 miles to the northwestern corner of T
59 Avianca707359B : The problem is that most of the "Tier 3" folks have no idea what they're in for. They see the "NYC for $10" banner ad, click and book away, (Gee, hun
60 CMHSRQ : I'll just rent a car or get picked up by friends, like I do at every single airport I have ever flown into in my life. Here is a great thing about the
61 Itsnotfinals : that is a big misconception here on anet IMHO. all the drop downs in the SX site say the actual city name when you book them, and at the gate it also
62 Avianca707359B : I agree. There are people who will do all sorts of things to accomplish a particular goal at the absolute lowest cost. In my younger days, I once wal
63 Itsnotfinals : Weren't you a tier 3 yourself back then? you seemed to have figured it out.
64 Revelation : Doesn't "buyer beware" extend to airline tickets too? What about common sense? Does one expect to spend $10 and depart from some out of the way airpo
65 Avianca707359B : Probably more like Tier 4 (LOL). My point is that there will always be creative and patient people who will figure these things out and plan accordin
66 Zvocio79 : SWF is gonna be big...once they finish with the intersection of I87 and I84 and its own access road, it can easily service NYC (1 hour), northern NJ,
67 Revelation : LOL! No arguing this. The question is: is SX being deceptive here? In general, I think not, especially seeing that it's my expectation that every bus
68 787EWR : WN just reduced flights from ISP. If I were the airport manager, I would pursue as many flights as possible. Keep in mind, unless Skybus introduces s
69 ScottB : As I said before... they'd certainly be able to get vacationers on their way to Florida, but that's not what they announced. Are you going to fly you
70 Post contains images Itsnotfinals : Those 1.3 million people don't drive to ISP that is for sure Thanks for doing that research. I have family in Pearl River so they will be very excite
71 787EWR : I realize that the title of this thread is for Skybus, but my focus was more on the airport and other carriers. I agree completely. I can't see an ex
72 JetBlueGuy2006 : I was thinking today, if the Bus decides to serve Michigan, from GSO...which airport would they use? If they wanted to get around the enormous landing
73 Kosmonaute : I wanted to make sure you meant the shuttle. I know all about Metro-North's reduced weekend and holiday schedule......
74 STT757 : Yeah if you look at a map Manhattan and Staten Island should be part of New Jersey, but that's a deal some Colonists worked out long ago. I believe t
75 BillReid : Did SX just become a Hub and Spoke airline? If not the issue still remains at the heart of the population. There must be enough demand to fill flight
76 Mir : Despite the fact that the people at Skybus must be drunk to make claims such as this: SWF could do very well for them if they put together some more f
77 Gsoflyer : Because passengers are using Skybus in a hub and spoke way, whether Skybus works as hub and spoke yet or not. Everyone I know that has flown skybus h
78 Gregarious119 : Knowing what SX is shooting for with barely used stations - it makes you think if BTL is an option too. AZO's runway is probably too short, but BTL h
79 JetBlueGuy2006 : interesting. Although, I would like to have more flights out of Lansing....someone needs to come in and attract more people, so we can upgrade the te
80 Ikramerica : And Pennsylvania. It's a straight interstate shot from NE Pennsylvania.
81 Itsnotfinals : Ithink we are all awaiting statistics, all we do know is over 400,000 people have flown to and from CMH in the first 4 months with only 3-4 aircraft
82 Zvocio79 : ok, true.......I agree with you, 90 minutes sounds good. but there is also metro-north that you can take at the Beacon train station some 8 miles awa
83 Mir : On a good day, perhaps. Smart money says about a 2:00-2:30 trip time by car. The bus is $1. But even Metro-North takes about 1:30 once you're on the
84 ScottB : The only populations of any significance in CT that would go to SWF would be in Danbury/New Milford. Rt. 7 between Danbury and Norwalk is a disaster
85 BillReid : That number is useless and means nothing. 400,000 could mean they have already burnt through $100,000,000. The west coast reductions indicate huge pr
86 Itsnotfinals : Your opinion fails to take any type of realistic numbers into account. 5 aircraft average fleet at 200,000 a month lease for 6 months is only 6,000,0
87 Rampart : For the right price, cheap parking, and streamlined terminal, I would easily consider flying out of SWF, and I live in Morris County, considerably fa
88 Luv2fly : We have no idea what the real figures are since they do not have to provide or report them. Arguing for the sake of arguing is getting us no where.
89 Itsnotfinals : Thanks for getting that. People can certainly state opinion but saying for a "Fact" that SX is going backrupt because they re-arraigned some flight i
90 BillReid : Your number minipulation wopuld have DL and NW and every airline in the world as profitabe. I want to see the T100 data, not hear your incessant bull
91 Itsnotfinals : I thought that was your plan. Why don't you work up some numbers and post them, instead of slamming others about a company you have no knowledge of.
92 BillReid : Gee, I know you don't pull routes down if they are making money because you are burning a great deal of good will. Excuse me? Repy 86 seams to have a
93 Post contains images Itsnotfinals : Your opinion, any facts for this? as opposed to your numbers? Sx is growing and maximizing profit opportunities, the similarities to B6 are astonishi
94 BillReid : Yes, just go ask the residents in WA and BC? The flights covering Seattle and Vancouver are by by. Again, I don't use Ficticous numbers? Excuse me? Y
95 Itsnotfinals : Answering a question with a question does not constitute "facts." Since you don't have any why don't you wait til some are posted to discuss?
96 BillReid : Once again, you contradict yourself. Pulling any flight kills goodwill, thats a fact. 100% of the time. Calling the kettle black. I could make some u
97 Itsnotfinals : no, I keep posting the facts as published, and positing some scenarios which you do not answer. I didn't say anything about good will ever in any pos
98 BillReid : Again, you are assuming "profits". But on what basis? Minimizing losses is far more logical especially when you consider the CEO's short vs Long haul
99 Itsnotfinals : maximizing mean making the most you can, profit or not. I have never said they are making a profit in total.
100 ScottB : But...they need to fly somewhere you want to go. Are you itching to take your family to GSO or CMH? Would you be willing to do it at a fare level tha
101 Post contains images Richierich : Huh? Even to the untrained eye, I think SX and B6 couldn't be further apart when it comes to LCC business models. Yes they are both loosely based on
102 Post contains images Itsnotfinals :
103 Richierich : Did you read the rest of my post?
104 Rampart : You raise a good point, but doesn't nullify mine. I have no desire, yet, to fly to CHM or GSO, but would consider both Skybus and SWF if I had to. My
105 ScottB : AirTran has been operating from SWF for nearly a year now, offering connections to the Midwest and West. Has their service tempted you to use SWF yet
106 Itsnotfinals : I have family in Rockland County NY and they ask that I use HPN instead of LGA or EWR every time I can. The connection needed to use HPN versus a non-
107 Rampart : I get it. And I'm traveling less than you think I do. Airlines have come and gone from SWF. Wasn't Airtran there previously and now have returned? At
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