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DL Rumored ASE To ATL  
User currently offlineASEFlyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 163 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4658 times:

Now, I know this seems a bit ridic. BUT, if UAL can do ORD, why can't DL do ATL? If they can get their frequencies up here they could really take some FF loyalty from United.

With the dollar weak to the Euro/LB we have been seeing our European numbers rise...what do you all think?

http://aspentimes.com/article/20071031/NEWS/71030036/0/FRONTPAGE

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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4594 times:

On a CRJ-700? Come on, at least use a CRJ-900. I don't know how well a 757 would work, the airport is at ~7800 feet and has a 7000 ft. runway.

User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 4564 times:

airtran,
i have worked at ase and the cr7 is about the max you are going to get to make it out of ase on the commecial side. you can not take a full load out to ord as it is....if the cr9 could make it in then you would have seen the cr9 there last winter doing the slc-ase runs...also isnt expressjet going to start up some ase runs for delta?????



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21552 posts, RR: 55
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4458 times:

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 1):
I don't know how well a 757 would work, the airport is at ~7800 feet and has a 7000 ft. runway.

Not well at all, since the 757 is outside of ASE's wingspan limits. It's either the CRJ700 or the E170. Either one would be weight restricted, since ASE is 300nm further than ORD (and I don't think the E170 has been approved for ASE yet, though it probably could be). But ASE can be a big moneymaker, so I don't see why not.

-Mir



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4438 times:

DL is certainly no strange to "longhaul" CR7 flights *cough*DFW-West Coast*cough*, though neither of those routes faced restrictions like ASE would likely occur. That said, a flight timed to connect with DL's Euro flights from ATL would certainly be worth a try.

User currently offlineASEFlyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4314 times:

Quoting Uadc8contrail (Reply 2):
some ase runs for delta????

I don't think so. The UAL flights out of here are SkyWest and Mesa, I think it doesn't make sense for them to bring another operator in...not for 3x a day. I think SkyWest actually does all the ground operations for Mesas Dash8s. I did see a truck with a mesa tug on it coming up the valley toward the airport yesterday afternoon, anyone know anything about that?


User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4195 times:

ASE,
could it be for the ski season start up phx-ase???or is mesa/us not running it this season



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User currently offlineSkyrat From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4040 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 3):
or the E170

I don't think that they will try to bring in the E170. I don't know if it would be able to get in and out of ASE. But I think the ground ops might also be a problem. I think they have a good operation with the CR7's and Dash 8's.



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User currently offlineUN_B732 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 4289 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4025 times:

ATL-ASE is the kind of route where I bet DL wishes it had F seats in its 700s. Maybe some day they will retro fit them to match the 170.

-A



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User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6003 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3962 times:

The E-170's wingspan is over the limit by a few inches. The CRJ-900 cannot do the approaches into ASE due to its approach category.


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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21552 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3915 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 9):
The E-170's wingspan is over the limit by a few inches.

I thought the wingspan limit was 95 feet. the E170's span is 85 feet and 4 inches.

-Mir



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User currently offlineNW747-400 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3896 times:

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 8):
ATL-ASE is the kind of route where I bet DL wishes it had F seats in its 700s. Maybe some day they will retro fit them to match the 170.

ASA is rumored to be fitting a portion of the CR7 fleet with F seats per a request by DL.


User currently offlineDFW13L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

Someone here at Eagle told me that ASE and EGE are both outside the single-engine climb requirements for the CR7. That might just be an Eagle restriction, which is more restrictive than what is published, but I don't know the tech specifics behind any of it. Just what a pilot told me!

User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6003 posts, RR: 14
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3875 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 10):
I thought the wingspan limit was 95 feet. the E170's span is 85 feet and 4 inches.

From what I can remember, I believe it's 84 feet for 121 flights.



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8897 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3827 times:

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 11):

ASA is rumored to be fitting a portion of the CR7 fleet with F seats per a request by DL.

Please make this come to fruition. GSO and MHT see their fair share of CRJ-700s, and a chance at an upgrade would be much better than the exit row.


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3752 times:

Quoting NW747-400 (Reply 11):
ASA is rumored to be fitting a portion of the CR7 fleet with F seats per a request by DL.

I don't understand why they haven't gotten any 900's. Anyone want to bring some light to that? They are Delta's maine regional carrier for Atlanta and there are tons of routes out of Atlanta that can be switched over to CRJ-900 service.



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User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3738 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 15):
I don't understand why they haven't gotten any 900's. Anyone want to bring some light to that? They are Delta's maine regional carrier for Atlanta and there are tons of routes out of Atlanta that can be switched over to CRJ-900 service.

My understanding is that the CR9's that SkyWest flies right now were originally slated to go to ASA. However, when SkyWest bought ASA, it was switched so that the CR9 flying would be done by the SkyWest side of the operation.



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User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6003 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3698 times:

Well, I correct myself here. The BAE-146 is 86 feet, and that was the main aircraft for years.


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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6603 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3649 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 15):
I don't understand why they haven't gotten any 900's. Anyone want to bring some light to that?

Until very recently, ASA had been in protracted labor negotiations (spanning 4+ years) with it's pilot group. With that going on, there was little chance Skywest would give the CRJ900's to ASA. Even going forward, I wouldn't be surprised to see Skywest keep most new planes on the Skywest side, as a way to whipsaw the non-union SKYW against the union ASA.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21552 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3585 times:

Quoting DFW13L (Reply 12):
Someone here at Eagle told me that ASE and EGE are both outside the single-engine climb requirements for the CR7.

Which is why they're weight restricted going out.

-Mir



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User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6003 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3510 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 19):
Which is why they're weight restricted going out.

Only to ORD and LAX, and that's in the dead of winter due to the mass demand for the seats. While summer usually has the hardest payload hits, they are usually non-events since demand for ASE isn't near as bad then.



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21552 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3456 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 20):
Only to ORD and LAX, and that's in the dead of winter due to the mass demand for the seats.

They're probably weight-restricted going to DEN as well, just that the trip is so short that they don't need to take a lot of fuel and can get away with a full payload.

-Mir



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User currently onlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6003 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3449 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 21):
They're probably weight-restricted going to DEN as well

Negative. Neither landing or takeoff weight restricted except for really bad tailwind.



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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7551 posts, RR: 28
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3428 times:

Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 15):
They are Delta's maine regional carrier for Atlanta and there are tons of routes out of Atlanta that can be switched over to CRJ-900 service.

Pinnacle will be flying -900's out of ATL. DL has cross-bred its regional service across all of its hubs now to the point where it is difficult to keep track of.


User currently offlineSkyrat From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3354 times:

SkyWest currently services ATL with CR9's. Freedom will also be starting CR9 service from ATL.


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25 United787 : I would be surprised to see ASE-ATL on DL. I can't see much of the catchment area for a flight like that through ATL; you don't see a lot of skiers in
26 Mir : If I'm not mistaken, they do have an ATL-EGE flight in the winter. The only thing that's really kept them from doing ATL-ASE is that they haven't had
27 Bkircher : I could see them doing that here in the near future. After all they are starting YUM to SLC in December!!! With the CRJ200
28 747fan : I know Freedom currently has CR9 service out of JFK, such as JFK-DFW. IIRC, Pinnacle will do most (I don't know about all) of the CR9 flying out of AT
29 Goldenshield : The closest they get to JFK is EWR, and that's with Midwest.
30 CWAFlyer : I don't think the 900 is a real good idea going to ASE. The weight penatlties when the runway is wet or contaminated are worse than the 700. Back taxi
31 Post contains links 747fan : No, Freedom uses DL Connection CR9's out of JFK. SkyWest doesn't send any there, I meant ATL in post 28. But Freedom has several CR9 flights out of J
32 DMAJ7TH : The issue with an airport like ASE for jet aircraft is not the runway length (balanced field length) required, its the climb gradient it will do on o
33 Goldenshield : So, I pointed out something that is true and correct, but because you meant something else entirely instead in what I had quoted, I'm now wrong? When
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