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User currently offlineA300AA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 393 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4506 times:

http://www.larepublica.com.co/grandesen.php


Avianca will add at least 3 more destinations in Europe. They said they have applied for Frankfurt, Paris and London.

Also BAQ will see more flights to Central America and USA, on 2008.

Competiton will be hard.


Rgds.Barranquilla. La compañía aérea Avianca está proyectando la implementación de tres rutas más con destino al Viejo Continente desde Bogotá, a partir de 2008, cuando reciba el primer lote de 10 aviones, de los 60 que adquirió a Boeing.

El anuncio lo hizo en Barranquilla el Presidente del Consejo Directivo de Avianca, Germán Efromovich, quien se reunió con empresarios de la ciudad y dirigentes gremiales del sector turístico y hotelero para analizar las potencialidades de la capital del Atlántico en lo que tiene que ver con los nuevos planes de la compañía.

En cuanto a los planes de apertura de destinos a Europa anticipó que en 2008 habrá por lo menos una o dos rutas nuevas operando. Dijo que los permisos ya están solicitados para Frankfurt en Alemania, París y Londres. “Dos de esos tres destinos, serán de autorizados de inmediato una vez lleguen las aeronaves, la operación se hará saliendo de Bogotá con escala en Miami”.

También se pronunció sobre los planes de apertura de rutas hacia Centroamérica y en ese orden de ideas Barranquilla es la ciudad que concentra la atención para que opere como punto de salida. “Hay planes para salir a Centroamérica y Norteamérica desde Barranquilla”. Además, Avianca estudia la opción de renegociar la compra de los talleres que hoy están abandonados en las instalaciones del aeropuerto Internacional Ernesto Cortissoz, para que allí se establezca el centro de operaciones de mantenimiento de la compañía. “Esos talleres eran de Avianca y pasaron a manos del Estado cuando se entregó a la Aeronáutica Civil, pero ahora vemos que están totalmente abandonados”, agregó.

Efromovich manifestó su preocupación por el incremento de los precios del petróleo, argumentando que los cálculos indican que el barril podrá llegar a los 100 dólares en poco tiempo. Según sus palabras el constante incremento en los precios de los combustibles es el factor que más duro golpea las finanzas de la compañía aérea, aunque destacó que los resultados financieros son favorables

[Edited 2007-11-02 11:25:55]

37 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineOrion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4495 times:

London is crying out for a service. BA gave the route up and AV used to serve it alongside BA. Now they would have it to themselves.

User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4465 times:

Quoting A300AA (Thread starter):
“Dos de esos tres destinos, serán de autorizados de inmediato una vez lleguen las aeronaves, la operación se hará saliendo de Bogotá con escala en Miami”.



Quoting A300AA (Thread starter):
La compañía aérea Avianca está proyectando la implementación de tres rutas más con destino al Viejo Continente desde Bogotá, a partir de 2008, cuando reciba el primer lote de 10 aviones, de los 60 que adquirió a Boeing.

Great to have some confirmation about the opening of new European routes. I hope those 2 definites are LON and FRA, given that CDG is currently well served, albeit with near 90% loads.
I think that the newspaper article has it wrong on the MIA stop for those though. I assume that AV said that they'd use the new planes on the new routes as well as MIA, but the newspaper misreported it, just as they did with the "60 Boeings", that as we know are, in fact, 60 Airbus.


User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3853 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4468 times:

Which London airport are they looking at?

User currently offlineBogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 802 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4426 times:

I´ve been told by AV management that they are looking into Heathrow, remains to be seen if they are able to pull a slot there.

User currently offlineA300AA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 393 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4420 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 2):
think that the newspaper article has it wrong on the MIA stop for those though. I assume that AV said that they'd use the new planes on the new routes as well as MIA, but the newspaper

Yes, a stop in MIA doesnt make any sense.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4390 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4344 times:

Quoting Vasu (Reply 3):
Which London airport are they looking at?

Probably LHR.

Even though those are old news, it´s nice to see that AV is still talking about euro expansion and that they didn´t apply just for the sake of it.

It won´t be until late 2008, though, that we will see them in FRA, LHR or CDG.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8271 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4246 times:
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I wish AV well in rehubbing BAQ and reclaiming their maintanence base. What cities in north america are they flying to ?

In London GATWICK should be there choice, last time they flew to LHR and left in 2001 they sold their slot to BA.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8271 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4246 times:
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I wish AV well in rehubbing BAQ and reclaiming their maintanence base. What cities in north america are they flying to ?

In London GATWICK should be there choice, last time they flew to LHR and left in 2001 they sold their slot to BA.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4086 times:

What time of day would Avianca be looking for LHR slots? They might end up having to go to LGW just to get suitable slots


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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4061 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 9):
What time of day would Avianca be looking for LHR slots? They might end up having to go to LGW just to get suitable slots

They used to fly in at 9 am some days and around 11 am other days, departing 2 or 3 hours later.
I am not sure if they had already made any approaches for slots. I have read that they would be based at T4.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3991 times:

They'll struggle to get slots at that time at LHR, unless they've got some cash or only serve LHR at weekends


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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4390 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3877 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 11):
unless they've got some cash or only serve LHR at weekends

Yes, it will be hard to get those slots. But as you say, they have the cash. Just look at Mr. Efromovich´s finances. His petroleum company made hundreds of millions last year, and AV is profitable.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 8):
I wish AV well in rehubbing BAQ and reclaiming their maintanence base

AV never had a hub in BAQ (maybe as SCADTA in the early days), and that type of operation will be more like a focus city, like MDE.

AV currently flies from BAQ to BOG, CLO, MDE, MIA, AUA and JFK.



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User currently offlineCptGirmayTesfa From Peru, joined Oct 2003, 406 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3763 times:

Quoting A300AA (Thread starter):
They said they have applied for Frankfurt, Paris and London.

What passes my thought is why would would they need to apply for it? AV has flown all these destinations before, and I assume the (bilateral) rights are still there.


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3709 times:

Quoting CptGirmayTesfa (Reply 13):
What passes my thought is why would would they need to apply for it? AV has flown all these destinations before, and I assume the (bilateral) rights are still there.

The bilateral rights are still there, but the application referred to is just one to the colombian authorities. Just a formality really, as there is no other colombian airline interested. As it happens, when AV dropped these routes, Fenix, a company that did not actually ever take off applied and was granted those rights.


User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3531 times:

I've been getting mixed dates on when the first 330s will arrive. Any certainty on this??


JAAH



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4383 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3397 times:

Quoting A300AA (Thread starter):
También se pronunció sobre los planes de apertura de rutas hacia Centroamérica y en ese orden de ideas Barranquilla es la ciudad que concentra la atención para que opere como punto de salida. %u201CHay planes para salir a Centroamérica y Norteamérica desde Barranquilla%u201D.

Eventual operations from BAQ to Central America may imply the end of the code-share agreement between AV and TA for flights to some Central America stations from BOG.


.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 12):
AV currently flies from BAQ to BOG, CLO, MDE, MIA, AUA and JFK.

Schedule operations are BAQ-BOG-AUA on AV.
4C Aires is flying BAQ-AUA as nonstop.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 869 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3271 times:

Why would they stop in Miami? Do Colombian carriers have rights to pick up passengers in the US? Why wouldn't they go non-stop? (I know weight restrictions at BOG, but that doesnt make sense to have to stop in MIA).


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User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2382 posts, RR: 26
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3151 times:

Quoting MIA" class=quote target=_blank>MIA (Reply 17):
Why would they stop in Miami? Do Colombian carriers have rights to pick up passengers in the US? Why wouldn't they go non-stop? (I know weight restrictions at BOG, but that doesnt make sense to have to stop in MIA).

It seems like a Journalist error. AV will do those flights Non Stop for sure...



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User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 3038 times:

Is there any information on how many times a week that AV would fly to London, Paris, or Frankfurt? Why isn't AV considering flights to FCO? Both AV and AZ flew BOG-FCO at various times in the past. I would think that there would be enough demand to make this route profitable.

User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4390 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3009 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 16):
Schedule operations are BAQ-BOG-AUA on AV.

No. AV flies MDE-BAQ-AUA once a week on an F100.

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 19):
Is there any information on how many times a week that AV would fly to London, Paris, or Frankfurt?

They apllied for LON 4x a week, CDG 5x a week and FRA 3x a week. That´s all we know from now. I would guess all routes would start as 3x weekly, with frequency increases afterwards.

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 19):
Why isn't AV considering flights to FCO?

Indeed, Italy was the largest touristic destination for Colombians in Europe after Spain in 2005. It is quite a large market, but AV can provide passengers with connections by flying to the three eurohubs, while FCO would rely too much on tourist traffic, which is very seasonal.



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User currently offlineDanimarroquin From Colombia, joined Jan 2005, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2910 times:

we would probably see this flights on mid 2008 , when they received there first A330 . I think theres also a journalist error when he writes about "Boeing's order" . Airbus orders will come out next year and Boeing 787s orders will come out on 2010.
also ,I always had a Q on AV's fleet did they choose the 300 , 200 or a mix ? .


User currently offlineAV757 From Colombia, joined Apr 2004, 660 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2839 times:
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Avianca ordered A330-200's With Rolls Royce Trent 700 Engines. The first delivery for this type is for September of 2008,

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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4383 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2737 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 20):
AV flies MDE-BAQ-AUA once a week on an F100.

I made a double check on AV's website and amadeus.net, but I haven't found detailed information that confirms such weekly nonstop AV BAQ-AUA.
http://www.avianca.com/ParaViajeros/MapasDestinos/
Further information will be appreciated.
Regards.



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 23):
I made a double check on AV's website and amadeus.net, but I haven't found detailed information that confirms such weekly nonstop AV BAQ-AUA.

I also did, and found nothing. AV did use to operate the route MDE-BAQ-AUA twice a week. It would seem that it has been dropped, ar at least suspended for now.


25 AR385 : I think, with all due respect to Mr. Efromovich's entrepreneurial vision, it's high time AV started thinking about joining an alliance. Be it Star, Sk
26 Summa767 : I agree, and trust that AV will indeed become a bigger player. They seem to have ambitious plans, the base of which is the new fleet that starts arri
27 Jfk777 : Avianca's Alliance choice presents a geogtaphic dilema. Copa is a SKYTEAM airline so havng two airlines in two latin neighboring countries to too conc
28 AR385 : I wonder then if AV should simply stay with its current codeshares rather than joining an alliance. Go the MX way.
29 Avianca : well I am pretty sure we will see AV joining soon Star. As mentioned before all other alliance have already big networks in the region, Star is still
30 OB1504 : Not to mention the fact that Copa already holds a controlling interest in Colombian AeroRepública.
31 RCS763AV : Maybe they made it a charter. AV´s flights to CUN don´t appear in res systems either. It is a very hard choice. SKY was a perfect match, and then c
32 Avianca : well you can be sure if Avianca would made it into Star we would see changes.... 1: FRA flights operated by AV and LH 2: Daily YYZ flights operated b
33 Post contains images SJOtoLIR : You have a good point. However, most of the destinations in Spain that have been included in the agreement AV-IB are covered by JK as well. Let me qu
34 Jfk777 : Why does AV has to stick to the 3 traditional US gateways of Miami, JFK and LAX. AV should plan to expand its US gateways and two UA hubs would be pe
35 RCS763AV : Because they offer the largest O/D from Colombia and latin america. And they also fly from FLL. It would be silly to fly to SFO or BOS just to cover
36 SJOtoLIR : AV may extend its presence in these hubs if they are really targeting to Star Alliance. Based on the recent announces concerning to possible destinat
37 Clo1973 : I think that AV might have a better choice for the maintenance base relocation by picking Cali. My argument is that Cali offers a good airport and go
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