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Virgin Or BA First Class?  
User currently offlineDelta763pilot From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2251 times:



I am going to fly from New York to Heathrow in May and I have to decide which airline I would like to fly, Virgin Atlantic or British Airways. I am flying first class and I would like to base my choice upon your suggestions, which should i take?

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User currently offlineBostonBeau From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2213 times:

Virgin Atlantic does not actually have "first class". Their Upper Class is comparable to first class on other airlines, but is sold at the business class fare.

User currently offlineDesmidus From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2205 times:

I would suggest you take Virgin, for the above reason.

User currently onlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4496 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2203 times:

As an ATL-based DL-pilot, why don't you fly your own company? Or do you guys have deals with VS and BA to fly on a pass (ID95 or whatever)?

User currently offlineZsx81 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2199 times:

VA all the way
ali


User currently offlineAKE0404AR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2535 posts, RR: 46
Reply 5, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2197 times:

Most of the airlines have interline agreements and therefore he would be able to fly on an ID90 on VS or BA....as standby though.......that's how it used to be at least......I would go VS, just for the top notch service they provide, and the F/A are better looking.......and not to forget about the inflight beauty therapist.........

User currently offlineAF777 From Canada, joined Jun 1999, 223 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2187 times:

I have not experienced either airline in their premium class, but I would probably go with British Airways. I know that Upper Class is supposed to be amazing, but I know people who have flown BA First and say it is really amazing. It IS First Class. Plus you have a "real" bed unlike Virgin's seats (yes they are installing bed like seats on their fleet now but I'm assuming that BA's seats are better. I just think that the whole experience would be better on BA just because of the cost difference. I have flown on Business/FIrst class conbinations on a few airlines and yes most of them have good service, they all seem to have good food, great seats, lounge access, etc. But have felt more like a number than a passenger because of the number of C class passengers (30-40). On BA you know they'll only be 14 of you total. Just my opinion, again I have yet to fly them (but I hope to someday soon 

-wes


User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2176 times:

I have flown on both many times and if you have the choice of flying BA F or VS J then obviously go BA F. If it is between BA J and VS J, then take VS (except on MIA, MCO and Caribbean routes).

BA has the best (or second best if you compare with SQ) private cabins in the air.

Still, Virgin's Clubhouse at LHR has to be seen to be believed!!  

Have a great trip!


User currently offlineCapt.Picard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2165 times:

I ditto Cally's comments above, I recently flew to Cape Town on First, and it is excellent in every respect.

If you want to catch some sleep on the flight, BA; if you don't intend to go to sleep, and hate sitting down, VS.


User currently offlineKrisair747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2135 times:

Virgin Atlantic's over EXPIERENCE is much better than dull BA!


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User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5293 posts, RR: 61
Reply 10, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2132 times:

Hey Delta763pilot,

I am not sure if you were really a DL pilot, you would have found out if you really had a Interline Agreement with BA or VS in F/J Class without making such a stupid post. I can confirm that you do not have an ID90/ID 95 in F or J with either airlines. You have an agreement in Y . You might be lucky and be upgraded if Y is full. On BA that would be to J or Premium Economy while on VS it would be to Premium Economy.

Ceilidh, I don't think he could base his choice on the lounges since non revs can't use the lounge even with a F or C ticket.

DeltaB763pilot, if you really are a Delta Pilot or even a Delta Employee at all, you should use one of your 18 free international flying days. You have quite a good chance of being upgraded to Business Elite.

Kind Regards,
Jeremiah Teahan



Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineVirginLover From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 958 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2126 times:

VS! 

User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2126 times:

Teahan whenever I've travelled VS on an ID00 ticket in J, I've always had access to their lounge. With BA, on the other hand - and even with my Gold Executive Club Card - I can't access the F class lounges (or the Arrivals lounges) , even though I have sufficient clout to get an IDOO ticket in F.

To me, this means that VS shows its guests (for that is what we are) far more courtesy than BA!


User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13737 posts, RR: 19
Reply 13, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2120 times:

Why couldn't my post about First Class be like this one!????

Anyway, I prefer VS. I haven't flown it but the pics look nice. The seats are wider with leather, the woman in the ad is nice and they have a bar.



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5293 posts, RR: 61
Reply 14, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

Hey Ceilidh,

Really? Most airline have a policy that non revs are not allowed in lounges. I am sure all the US Airlines, AF and SR employees can't access lounges.

There is no point even trying. I heard about employees who got warnings (several of them can lead to losing your non rev benefits) for using the lounge.

KInd Regards,
Jeremiah Teahan






Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 15, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2101 times:

Well, Ceilidh is quite obviously lying. Lounge access is one of the biggest no-nos of nonrevving.

And at every airline I know of, issuing id00s is grounds for dismissal. Oh, but Ceilidh has "a lot of clout."

What an egomaniac. And a big fat liar.

DeltaSFO



It's a new day. Every moment matters. Now, more than ever.
User currently offlineWpr8e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2094 times:

I can confirm that Ceilidh is right about lounge access.

VS will allow you in the Clubhouse if you are travelling on a duty ticket. BA will not. Although I have had luck getting in outside of London.

SQ, NZ, EK, LA, RG, SA, NH, etc, all allow duty travel in the lounge. Although we are non rev. Sorry let me clarify, you have to be at least holding a business class seat.


User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 17, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2088 times:

Please clarify the term "duty ticket."

A business pass? Is that what you mean to say?

DeltaSFO



It's a new day. Every moment matters. Now, more than ever.
User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5293 posts, RR: 61
Reply 18, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2087 times:

I stand corrected about Non Rev lounge access. I allways talk about leisure travel and no about duty travel.

DeltaSFO, what are you saying about ID00s. Most airlines offer their employees a certain ammount of ID00s an year (DL obviously does not because you have unlimited free domestic tickets, 18 days of free international travel etc.............) A certain Swiss airline offers there employees 2 ID00s an year. You just must pay the catering charges + taxes. A Switzerland to the US flight turns out to about 225 Swiss Francs (used to be 215 but taxes went up I think).

Why do you have to start the Caledonian Wings fight on this forum? Most of us allready know how you feel about Ceilidh and his airline. I do not share your opinion.

Kind Regads,
Jeremiah Teahan



Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2087 times:

I'm talking about to non-employees, not to employees of the carrier. I don't see how somebody who does not work for a carrier with an interline pass agreement with VS or BA can get any kind of pass, let alone an id00. It's got nothing to do with who it is, it has to do with the content of what's being said. I have no sympathy for chronic liars, as you can obviously tell. It does not matter who they are.

Also, it's 18 transoceanic flight days for Delta employees. Within North and South America it's also free and unlimited.

DeltaSFO



It's a new day. Every moment matters. Now, more than ever.
User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5293 posts, RR: 61
Reply 20, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2081 times:

Hey DeltaSFO,

Ah ok I stand corrected about the transoceanic flight days. I had some great experiences non reving on DL under the SR & DL Atlantic Excellence Agreement  . I definitely miss that  .

KInd Regads,
Jeremiah Teahan



Goodbye SR-LX MD-11 / 6th of March 1991 to the 31st of October 2004
User currently offlineDeltaSFO From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2488 posts, RR: 22
Reply 21, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2080 times:

Oh, for sure.... I think Delta has excellent inflight service on international flights. Domestic inflight service can be somewhat lacking, but that is true of all US carriers.

You work for SR?

DeltaSFO



It's a new day. Every moment matters. Now, more than ever.
User currently offlineSurf From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2076 times:

British Airways.....the choice is obvious and simple.

User currently offlineKlik From Canada, joined Oct 2000, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (13 years 6 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2069 times:

If you're going for privacy, I'd choose BA, as they have the almost-private cabin going. Also, you get a completely flat 6ft 6ins bed, and they even give you a sleeping suit (I think VS give you the same). BA has fantastic service; I've always found their stewardesses to be VERY professional, though, I do agree with someone who previously mentioned that VS have very good looking cabin crew, especially compared to BA.

BA's Terrace lounges are quite fantastic, too. The new First cabin feel in BA is quite luxurious, using materials like Connolly leather, walnut wood, velvet and cashmere fabrics, and I think by May, this will be available on the LHR-JFK route.

VS, on the other hand, has a more modern and sleek cabin look, and a more typical seat layout with 2-2-2 seating. Sure, you can have a drink at the bar, or a facial as your flying, but for what??? Do you really feel like having a makeover on a flight, or meeting some grogeous lady at the bar, only to retire to your seat later on??

The choice is yours!

Cheers,

klik


User currently offlineWpr8e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (13 years 6 months 1 hour ago) and read 2056 times:

DeltaSFO,

Sorry for the late response. Duty travel is the English coined "traveling on business on behalf of the airline." This can go for employees of the airline or consultants traveling on behalf of the airlines (which is what I do on a weekly basis). Sometimes it is must ride sometimes sub load, it just depends on the airlines. SQ and SR are the best for duty travel as they decrement inventory of certain pass classes. Others not so great. Most time they let you in the lounges, especially overseas airlines.

Back to the topic, I like VS since they have the stand up bar and the massage. The CLubhouse in LHR is great; haircuts, massage, music rooms, putting greens. Also the arrival lounge is truly unique. Although BA is very good as well. VS is cheaper than BA for a relatively similar product (seat).



25 Delta763pilot : Actually, its my wife who wants to buy two tickets for us and she wants us to fly either one, BA or VS. She wants a change and eventhough we can fly
26 Ceilidh : Actually, I used to be CEO of an airline that was a member of the IATA MITA (Multilateral Interline Traffic Agreement); plus we used Speedwing and Sab
27 TurbineBeaver : Delta763pilot Is there any chance that you flew from Munich to Atlanta yesterday, the 15 of January? TB
28 Delta763pilot : No, I am sorry, I don't fly international routes yet. I did fly yesterday from SLC-ATL, that was the last leg of my trip.
29 HB-IWC : So you are not an international Delta 763 pilot?!! May I remind you your post of only 3 days ago, titled AA777@MAD?, in which you stated that, whilst
30 Singapore_Air : I think some of us are straying of the subject.
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