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The A380 "wow Factor" At Changi This Week  
User currently offlineQantasHeavy From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 379 posts, RR: 1
Posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 14697 times:

Have just spent a few hours on three afternoons transitting in Changi airport this week on SQ and was happy to get to see the A380 sitting at the gate (in its berth is more like it!) each time. The viewing area near the pizza place between E&F councourses in Terminal 2 (I think, may have gotten them wrong, I always get mixed up in SQ's councourses at SIN) has a great view of the giant sitting with its (looked like three, two lower and one upper) mutliple jet bridges attached on the far side and the catering trucks on the near (starboard) side towards the viewing area lifting up to the upper deck.

I was amazed at how enormous the horizontal stabilizers are... they looked twice the size of the wings of a Silk Air A320 which looked as though it limbo'd under the A380's massive wing.

The greatest thing about it was how many people were taking pictures of it and talking about the airplane. I was born a few years after the 747 was rolled out, but it is great to see the public getting excited about aviation. Fathers/mothers pointing to the airplane and explaining to their children, children running to the glass and pointing/shouting "there it is!", serious-looking business people putting down their BlackBerries and walking to the glass and just gazing at the huge machine, people calling people on their mobile phones saying, "Hey I am sitting here looking out at the new A380!", airport staff getting their colleauges to take their picture with the A380 in the background.

Was so great to see men, women and children from a wide variety of cultures all sharing the same fascination. While I know that we in the forum give the general public little credit for understanding one type of airplane form the other, and aviation altogether (who are educated by a media which makes references to "Boeing dc-1011 air buses")... there is no doubt that people might get other aircraft confused, but think for the whale jet people will be able to confidently and accurately declare... "THAT is an A380!"

I have thrown my rocks in the A v B wars on how late the thing was and how it has disrupted the Qantas fleet planning, etc. But when looking at the aircraft in person I was very impressed. Congratulations to Airbus and SQ!

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User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10038 posts, RR: 96
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14639 times:
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Quoting QantasHeavy (Thread starter):
The viewing area near the pizza place between E&F councourses in Terminal 2

Transited Changi myself on Thursday.

I was amazed at the level of buzz being generated by the A380.

OK, Changi is the home of the first one, so some was to be expected, but even pax travelling on a variety of other airlines were all talking about it, and talking it up, too. In fact, just about everyone was...  Smile
(SQ staff in particular - unsurprisingly)

Quoting QantasHeavy (Thread starter):
Was so great to see men, women and children from a wide variety of cultures all sharing the same fascination.

Absolutely!  Smile

Regards


User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14438 times:

SQ reports that the forward looking load factor for daily A380 SIN-SYD flight is substantially higher than on the 2 other daily flights it operates, meaning a lot of people are actually going out of the way not only to see, but also to fly the A380!

Although still very premature at present, it does back up the idea of SQ that the A380 will allow them to win over a lot of new customers traditionally flying with other airlines...

SQ seems to have identified the potential of this plane correctly: not only does it offer stellar CASM, but also is it a true game changer: a must have for airlines in Asia.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14429 times:

Quoting QantasHeavy (Thread starter):
but think for the whale jet people will be able to confidently and accurately declare... "THAT is an A380!"

I'll bet you that there have people already said "Now Tommy, that is a Super A380 made by Boeing!" Or "Thats a SUPER Airbus 747!" LOL!  Smile



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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4755 posts, RR: 26
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14297 times:

I guess the "WOW" factor can be similarly applied to SYD as well if you are transitting through that airport.


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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27003 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14190 times:

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 2):
SQ reports that the forward looking load factor for daily A380 SIN-SYD flight is substantially higher than on the 2 other daily flights it operates, meaning a lot of people are actually going out of the way not only to see, but also to fly the A380!

Yes a lot of travel companies are noticing that also. The 744 flights are all available and the A380 flights are jammed. I guess in time it will calm down as everyone wants to try the new A380. If someones going to Australia they probably think ''I may as well fly the A380''. Certainly looks that way from the loads.


User currently offlineFlashFlyGuy From Australia, joined Jan 2007, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14161 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 3):
I'll bet you that there have people already said "Now Tommy, that is a Super A380 made by Boeing!" Or "Thats a SUPER Airbus 747!" LOL!

In Singapore, I'm not so sure.  Wink You have to consider that you just about fall over this http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e258/flasha80/Misc/IMG_2800.jpg near the area you can view the A380 at the gate in SIN. All the information about the aircraft is there.

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 4):
I guess the "WOW" factor can be similarly applied to SYD as well if you are transitting through that airport.

I think the gate they're using in SYD isn't that easily seen from the landside part of the terminal, where most everyone is, so the "WOW" factor would only be airside and near the gate. It would be interesting to know how crowded that gate area gets with people gawking at it... Big grin


User currently offlineGlareskin From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1307 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14147 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 5):
If someones going to Australia they probably think ''I may as well fly the A380''. Certainly looks that way from the loads.

But is it only the first time "been there, done that" effect? For what you read in the trip reports the flying is a better experience in itself due to the roomier space, the remarkably lower noise levels, the better pressure and humidity. This could be a reason for pax to always try to be on the A380. Of course for SQ this effect will be gone at the moment the others receive the A380 and probably the 787 and the A350 will generate a similar. if not better flying experience.



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User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 14060 times:

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 7):
But is it only the first time "been there, done that" effect? For what you read in the trip reports the flying is a better experience in itself due to the roomier space, the remarkably lower noise levels, the better pressure and humidity. This could be a reason for pax to always try to be on the A380.

Indeed, from the comments it does sound as if it is an effect which is going to last.

People are actually willing to step somewhat out of their way to fly on this plane and since the A380 has very favourable CASM numbers too, ticket prices will likely not be a game stopper, so the 2 combined mean an airline operating the A380 has a clear asset over the competition!

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 7):
Of course for SQ this effect will be gone at the moment the others receive the A380...


When other airlines receive their A380s, the effect will indeed dilute over all airlines operating the A380.
Those who don't operate it on routes where the competition does, will definitely face a though battle, something which was predicted too BTW. It appears the A380 will thus become a MUST HAVE for many large Asian airlines who want to be taken seriously in a few years.

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 7):
...and probably the 787 and the A350 will generate a similar. if not better flying experience.

I don't think so.

At least for the 787 we pretty much know for sure the levels of cabin noise will be substantially higher than on the A380. I suppose I don't need to link to the embarrassingly stupid remarks from Mr. Baseler on this topic, do I?
And the feeling of space the A380 comes with is something which likely can't be matched by either product either.
When looking into it, the so much liked features of the A380 all depend on its MASSIVE SIZE in one way or the other, so simply adopting the same tech on smaller planes won't do the trick. Just as for cars, there is no way you can make a small vehicle feel equally comfortable as a limousine.


User currently offlineGlareskin From Netherlands, joined Jun 2005, 1307 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13709 times:

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 8):
I don't think so.

At least for the 787 we pretty much know for sure the levels of cabin noise will be substantially higher

Yes, but we also have to expect the pressure and humidity to be even more improved than the A380. Combined with a noise-cancelling headphone this will be at least similar if not a better effect. Of course the 787 cannot compensate the room in the A380 but to be honest I expect another positive effect from the lager windows plus the newest mood lighting. After all the 787 and the A350 will be from a newer generation.



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User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 12911 times:

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 7):
But is it only the first time "been there, done that" effect? For what you read in the trip reports the flying is a better experience in itself due to the roomier space, the remarkably lower noise levels, the better pressure and humidity.

From what I've read, the experience is very nice but also much like any other aircraft, except the lack of noise.

"C class seats pretty much same as the 77W though the curvature of the fuselage means the shelf (for newspapers, etc.) beside the TV screen on the 77W does not appear on the A380 (though window seats have storage bins which more than make up for the difference). Some people have reported the seats are wider on the A380 than the 77W - I couldn't tell any difference (though it may be true). The thing you will notice most about the cabin is the lack of noise - it is amazingly quiet!"

"Upstairs, it feels like an A340 and downstairs like a 747."

"Service was the usual SQ and I mean that with the highest compliments. The food was special but, I have to be honest and say the biz class food is usually pretty good so, while I liked the special menu for this flight, it was the same caliber as any flight (Dom champagne excepted - that was special)."

Interesting to note that on the SYD-SIN leg, pushback had been canceled twice, and that on the third time the ground crew requested pushback to the west to make it easier for the A380 to taxi out.

Also, it was reported the plane flew somewhat slowly, even with a 50 kmh tailwind - I wonder if this was done for the benefit of the pax. to make their ride last as long as possible? It was, after all, a very special time.

And lastly, one very nice feature that does seem to set the A380 apart is the lack of mechanical noise during ascent/descent. This may depend on where you sit - upper deck you don't get the usual whirring, clunks, etc. as the flaps are positioned. I welcome that as I dislike the sound of pumps, etc.

I suppose we'll know more in a few weeks.


User currently offlineFlipdewaf From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2006, 1574 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 12001 times:
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Quoting Glareskin (Reply 7):
probably the 787 and the A350 will generate a similar. if not better flying experience.

I dont think the passengers will remember it quite as much though, the 787 and A350 are very non descript as planes go, my mum couldnt tell the difference between the 787 and a 767 but she knew what the A380 was and even knew what i meant by the whale jet. The aviation buffs might say "oh look a 787" but everyone will say "but look at the A380 behind it" it has itsown look and i like that.

Fred


User currently offlineAstuteman From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 10038 posts, RR: 96
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9720 times:
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Quoting FlashFlyGuy (Reply 6):
It would be interesting to know how crowded that gate area gets with people gawking at it...

The area between concourse E + F was pretty busy with "viewers" when I was there.....
As Changi has the X-ray equipment at the gate entrance, viewing at the gate area is difficult.

Quoting FlashFlyGuy (Reply 6):
You have to consider that you just about fall over this

It is HARD to miss the A380 at Changi......  biggrin 

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 7):
But is it only the first time "been there, done that" effect?

IMO SQ staff were talking up the A380 big time, and presumably will continue to do so for quite some time.
(As an aside, despite being a big fan of the A380, I was discomfited by the lack of loyalty shown to the SQ 747's by the crew of said aircraft, who did nothing but talk up the A380 - sad IMO, but inevitable, I suppose)
We were definitely "encouraged" to fly on it (and will be next month....  Smile )

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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10899 posts, RR: 37
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9643 times:

For the time being 9V SKA is the only A380 flying commercially in the whole world. So it is normal that there is an effect of curiosity about her and everybody going through Singapore airport will be trying to see her. This is probably the same in Sydney and it will certainly be the same at Heathrow once SIA starts regular A380 service to London.

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 12):
It is HARD to miss the A380 at Changi...... biggrin

It will still be a while until Emirates, Qantas, Lufthansa and others get to fly their own Big Bus'ses.



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User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9560 times:

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 1):
I was amazed at the level of buzz being generated by the A380.

That is the difference between a real queen and all the starlets. Look at the British Queen - she generates buzz after 50 years still! Look at the Concorde, wherever it showed up, it generated buzz.

So did the 747 for decades, so will the A380. Will the public get used to it and find it boring? I think yes, at the very day Leahy has sold the 800th frame.


User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9024 times:

How quiet is the A380 in comparison with other aircraft?


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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13742 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8874 times:

A rather subdude BBC reporter brought a sound-meter onboard and in cruise the Singapore Airlines Airbus A380 was operating at 82dB (decibels) inside the revolutionary and innovative cabin.


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User currently offlineWildcatYXU From Canada, joined May 2006, 2613 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7841 times:

Quoting Khobar (Reply 10):
This may depend on where you sit - upper deck you don't get the usual whirring, clunks, etc. as the flaps are positioned.

Interesting... I love these sounds... I guess that's a diagnosis in my case

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 9):
Of course the 787 cannot compensate the room in the A380 but to be honest I expect another positive effect from the lager windows plus the newest mood

Hell no. Despite the large windows, the 787 will be in many cases a cramped sucker. 9 across in this bird won't be anything to write mom about.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7829 times:

Quoting FlashFlyGuy (Reply 6):

Good point, but......at other airports around the world....ya know... still.....  Wink



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User currently offlineER757 From Cayman Islands, joined May 2005, 2526 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7747 times:

Quoting QantasHeavy (Thread starter):
I was born a few years after the 747 was rolled out, but it is great to see the public getting excited about aviation. Fathers/mothers pointing to the airplane and explaining to their children, children running to the glass and pointing/shouting "there it is!", serious-looking business people putting down their BlackBerries and walking to the glass and just gazing at the huge machine, people calling people on their mobile phones saying, "Hey I am sitting here looking out at the new A380!", airport staff getting their colleauges to take their picture with the A380 in the background.

Was so great to see men, women and children from a wide variety of cultures all sharing the same fascination. While I know that we in the forum give the general public little credit for understanding one type of airplane form the other, and aviation altogether (who are educated by a media which makes references to "Boeing dc-1011 air buses")... there is no doubt that people might get other aircraft confused, but think for the whale jet people will be able to confidently and accurately declare... "THAT is an A380!"

Very well stated! You've stirred memories for me as I was 14 when the 747 entered service and there was a very similar facination with the jumbo when she first started making apperances at airports around the world. There was no mistaking her for any other aircracft and people flocked to the gates to gaze upon her - back then there were no security checkpoints and anyone could walk right up to the gate areas. I remember going up to the obseravtion deck at ORD and seeing an NW 747 loading up and then pushing back. I will never forget the sight of it lifting into the air - I can imagine the A380 creates a similar sense of wonder for many, especially kids and airplane nuts like us. Thanks for sharing.


User currently offlineCaljn From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7237 times:

That is one ugly bird. Some here have referred to the A380 as the new queen of the skies. It will never replace the iconic design of the 747 in that regard. Bigger can be more functional, even economical but sadly in this case not more beautiful.

User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7107 times:

Quoting Glareskin (Reply 9):
Yes, but we also have to expect the pressure and humidity to be even more improved than the A380. Combined with a noise-cancelling headphone this will be at least similar if not a better effect.

Well.....Thats abit strange comparison that doesn't make sense to me.
Not to discredit the 787 which seems to be a very nice aircraft, but with even better noise-cancelling headphones and earplugs even a DC3 can be perceived as quiet or? At least the comparison has to be under similar conditions.



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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25280 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6914 times:
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Quoting Caljn (Reply 20):
Bigger can be more functional, even economical but sadly in this case not more beautiful.

It can also be more impressive.

I watched the take-off from Singapore with a feeling that the enormous machine could never get off the ground - and when it did, it seemed so effortless, as if the sky was its natural home.

Then I watched the landing in Sydney and I was even more impressed - it seemed as light as a feather.

It was - for me - a considerable "wow!" I'm sorry if you miss that feeling, because it really was something to see.

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User currently offlinePrinair From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 744 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6836 times:

It may be big, efficient, impressive and even ugly. The "wow" factor will go away the moment one crashes or has an accident. Not to be negative but after all it is a machine and one will eventually fail.


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25280 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6791 times:
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Quoting Prinair (Reply 23):
Not to be negative

It reads fairly negative to me.

And I'm not sure that I agree. I was flying on a 747 shortly after the Tenerife crash, and I still had a sense of "wow".

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25 Tdscanuck : True, but it's got a long way to go. Knock on wood, but the 777 is going on 10 years without a major incident. The A380 won't be "due" for a long tim
26 Glareskin : It was just meant to say that there is more to comfort than noise. Noise can be compensated with nc-headphones, which most of the ferquent travellers
27 Post contains images FlashFlyGuy : Thanks, although I'm aware of the layout at SIN, including the gate the A380 uses (been through that one coming and going, lots of times). I was more
28 Slz396 : You have worded what millions of neutral spectators have come to see and enjoy all over the world at every airport the A380 makes it appearance, so n
29 QantasHeavy : While I think the A380 will be wonderful to fly on, I don't think one should assume the 787 (or A350) is going to be loud and uncomfortable. When the
30 Glareskin : No, I do not like the idea either. Again, I was merely pointing out that noise is a factor one can reduce. Whow, you really get aggressive about this
31 Post contains images DistantHorizon : Why don't you read some early 70's newspapers? I thing you will be surprised: nobody called the 747 a "pretty" plane. It was simply enormous - and, t
32 PRINAIR : Perhaps you should take some time to read my profile. I have over 20 years of airline experience at airlines that use both Airbus and Boeing products
33 Post contains images WingedMigrator : More people have died in 747 accidents than in the September 11th terrorist attacks. Nevertheless, the "wow" factor for the 747 is still there.
34 JetMech : Yes, but we are talking about a product of engineers, not artists. In the realm of engineering, anything that is more functional and economic is more
35 Atnight : Funny to see how some a.netters still talk about their own point of view of the A380's looks to somehow put it down.... I think it looks great and I p
36 Post contains images 7E72004 : Are there any airlines that have ordered the A380 planning on using an all coach class configuration? I would love to see how that works...upwards of
37 PRINAIR : It seems that some people on this forum lack the capacity to properly interpret what others have posted... I have not "put down" the A380 nor am I wa
38 Mariner : I'm not an airline. I don't work for an airline. I'm here because I am still in awe of flight, just as I have been from the first time I saw an aircr
39 Col : Prinair, I find your comments very interesting. I do not work for the airlines, just an engineer in a different industry. I do spend far too long sat
40 Col : The 380 has just arrived in SIN. I have seen the GE/PW prototype at BDL, but only from behind and distance. The SQ one just taxied past. It looks shor
41 Post contains images PlaneHunter : The "game changer" could also be the one which helps to open new routes and add more frequencies while offering "stellar" CASM, too. No wonder many t
42 Starlionblue : It's been over 35 years since the last "largest commercial airliner ever" entered service. The news has been all over it the way they never were for t
43 Slz396 : No they can't. That self proclaimed 'game changer' of yours needs a cattle class configuration to offer 'stellar' CASM. You must be the only one on A
44 PlaneHunter : First of all, I said the "game changer" COULD BE the one...(...). See above. It's not "my game changer" - read carefully and keep away from personal
45 QantasHeavy : Had to go to Sydney for the day for work and as we rode the rough winds down to the runway landing early at 9:10 AM, the SQ 380 was holding short wait
46 Astuteman : Issues like this are always a matter of opinion, but FWIW, having just disembarked an SQ 777, I can tell you I found the level of interference that t
47 PlaneHunter : The 777 is noisier but it hasn't yet seriously interfered with using the IFE (e.g. EK's ICE on different 777s) on my flights. And let's face it - pre
48 Mariner : That may be true. But the OP was talking about his experience, now. mariner
49 Parapente : Gosh doesn't the 380 raise emotions! As so many people have said it will be the punters who decide. Certainly (with one aircraft flying) punters are c
50 Post contains images Astuteman : Must admit to being surprised. I've flown 777's before and don't recall the same frustration - at least not to the same level. That said, a LAN Chile
51 Post contains links Singapore_Air : New Zealand-based world leader in advanced audio technology solutions Phitek Systems Limited announced today that its SmartJack™ active noise cance
52 QantasHeavy : As the A380 will enable more passengers to sit upstairs, who may have never flown business/first class on a 747 (where most have premium seats upstair
53 Singapore_Air : I've only flown the B777 on SQ. It was quite loud. Not sure if it was as loud as the Megatop but certainly louder than expected.
54 Post contains images Aerokiwi : I've seen the A380 come and go in Toulouse and while it was impressive to see the size of the thing, I still find it an ungainly, unattractive aircra
55 Tdscanuck : You don't think double the normal maintenance interval or 20% less fuel consumption for the same size is game changing? You need to talk to some airl
56 Post contains images Mariner : Sadly, there's a lot of truth in that statement. Happily, there are some excellent Kiwis who think big - and not just in rugby. mariner
57 Post contains images Ants : I agree completely. Case in point is the 787 - even though it will likely be a great plane, I can't see it attracting anywhere near the amount of int
58 Post contains images Oldeuropean : I love these sore comments from the kindergarten: "But she is ugly!" or "Tee-hee, mine is the Queen of skies. And because mine is, yours couldn't be!"
59 Post contains images Starlionblue : You don't have to wait for loaners. Get a pair of Etymotic ER-6i or Shure. Less than a third of a pair of Bose, a tenth of the space in your bag, no
60 GBan : Seems to be the case, but unfortunately your post is on exactly the same level imho.
61 QantasHeavy : Well said GBan. Wish it could just be about the aviation and not the politics and emotions... going both ways.
62 Oldeuropean : No, because I can enjoy the grace of an airliner, whether it is from A, B, I, X or whatever. I'm not one of the jealous guys, who, for months or actu
63 QantasHeavy : OK fair comment. I am American living in Oz. I admire the A380 and don't like the rock throwing going back and forth over the Atlantic over A vs B.
64 Caljn : Ugly is purely subjective. Agreed. Envy isn't the issue. (btw, your comments reveal your inferiority complex.) The issure is if any company were to m
65 Post contains images OA260 : The A380 the ''Queen of the Skies'' is the best thing to happen to aviation in years. Its great to see such an aircraft and the more we see in the yea
66 Post contains images Vega9000 : Well, I actually appreciate the vivid discussions going on in the forums. Yes some people go way over the top (that A380 crash post... ). And some pe
67 Tdscanuck : Interesting...I'm very curious to see if other passengers report the same thing. Boeing's Randy II got crucified in several threads here a few months
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