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User currently offlineApollo13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 9 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4555 times:

Hello,

So basically im fed up with my Old navy Job. It sucks having to sell people the Old Navy Credit Card. I recently went on a trip to Chicago to visit a friend and was watching the ramp service employees and thought that a job like that would be a wonderful opportunity. The only slight problem for me is that I am currently enrolled in College (DVC). Would that be a considerable barrier for me. My class schedule usually ends everyday at around 1 or 2PM. So for those of you who have this wonderful position. What tips are there to score a job like this? I would plan on transitioning jobs and start applying around March or April.

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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17361 posts, RR: 46
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4526 times:

I worked as a US ramper at ITH during my senior year of college and it was the BEST. JOB. EVER. It was so fun to work with airplanes, mostly outside (even during ITH winters), and the cheap weekend trips to LGA or Paris didn't hurt either Wink. I think it helped that it was a small station and I made it very clear to the station manager that I wanted to be there but there was no way I could miss class, so the only shift I could do was 5pm-midnight which happened to not be a very popular shift anyway. I always bid it and always got it fortunately, otherwise I would have had to stop. What airport would you be looking at? In my experience it seemed that a smaller station gives you more flexibility to get the shift you want, plus in the down time they let me do my homework...while they watched TV or whatever.


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User currently offlinePilotboi From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 2366 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4496 times:

I, as well as about 50% of us at DL's DAB station are college students. Now we are a smaller station, but it's still a possible job to have whiel in college. Especially if you get done at 1-2pm. There should be an evening shift starting around 4pm or so. My boss completly understands that most of us are in college and that our schedules change every semester and he works around our schedules. Sometimes it leads to weird schedules or minimal hous, but it's definatly possible.

User currently offlineApollo13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4466 times:

I live in Concord, CA. I go to Diablo Valley College and a station for me would either be OAK or SFO. The only places with BART access.

User currently offlineNWAESC From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 3383 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4459 times:

Something to think about if you're going to apply at either OAK or SFO; the night shifts mentioned may go relatively senior due to people not wanting to deal with the traffic...

...With that in mind, I know at NWA there are now a lot of shifts that work shifts like F/S/S only.

Good luck!



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User currently offlineCzbbflier From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 971 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4347 times:

Throughout my entire tenure at university I worked for Wardair as a passenger services agent at the airport. Like MaverickM11, I worked evenings, and weekends as well as early mornings- it helped that I was able to take 3-hour long classes once a week rather than 3 1-hour classes so I was able to get all my courses out of the way by dinnertime Wednesday... or somthing to that effect.

I would bid on the late-night and early morning shifts, sleep on the baggage belt (or chat with ATC at YOW Terminal) overnight and make it to class. Taking the late night shifts enabled me to wind up being lead-hand with very little experience under my belt. I made sacrifices but was very glad to make them.

The ramp may be a bit different but it never hurts to look around: try the smaller regional airports with regular charter ops or even the municipal airports: they're often looking for fuellers, lawn cutters etc.

A word of advice: if it's flying you really want to do, start networking and working on your licenses NOW. Get flying as soon as you can... I regret giving up on my dream for 20 years.

My roommate was impressed: I was the only student he knew that came out of the semester with more cash than when I went in. So instead of using passes to fly to exotic places, use the money to start FLYING!!!!

Cheers,
Brian


User currently offlineDLOnur From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4320 times:

I too worked my senior year at DCA (I went to GWU) working ramp for USAir.....

Then moved out west to ACV for my MA and worked full time at the ACV airport doing everything. Worked for WestAir, OO and Horizon during my 6 years living on the North Coast. I did everything at the airport and really got a good understanding of the complexity of operations.

It also made me mature and become much more responsible than I had been at any point in my life previous.

I left ACV as the closing supervisor and was making decent money until I decided (er, was stupid enough to decide) to move to Ohio for my PhD. Worst mistake of my life.....I should've stayed in the industry....

Good luck and it's a great job while you are in college--imagine all of the cool places you can go on spring break!

-o-



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User currently offlineC172pic From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4217 times:

Yup yup, it's a fun job and if u have a boss that understands, it's a good experience.

I'm concerned about your prospective commute time, Apollo13. How long would it take u to get from home to OAK or SFO on BART? If it's 1/2 hr, that's cool. If it's closer to 1 hr ea way, that's not good.

I worked for ACA/UAex and Ogden/Air Bp at IAD and also for TWA at BNA and also MAC FBO...

Have u considered FBOs at GA airports close to your home? Something to think about...

Arigato hai

El DE


User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2224 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 1 day ago) and read 4173 times:
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It can be interesting dependent on your employer but the days of it being a career are over. Payscales may have bottomed out at least for most of the US carriers so I guess you could hope they might start back up again but personally I doubt it. Use you college for something worthwhile. If you really care about your performance you will get beat down by those that don't.


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User currently offlineCV880 From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 1124 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 1 day ago) and read 4167 times:

Quoting Apollo13 (Reply 3):
I live in Concord, CA. I go to Diablo Valley College and a station for me would either be OAK or SFO. The only places with BART access.

The ticket counter jobs are about the only ones that are still airline employment as many of the airlines contract their ramp/operations out to 3rd parties. I believe that WN & UA still use their own ramp employees, but watch out for the others. Most air cargo facilities are also contract operations. (SFO)

[Edited 2007-11-03 23:08:15]

User currently offlineDLOnur From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 290 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 1 day ago) and read 4156 times:

Quoting M404 (Reply 8):
It can be interesting dependent on your employer but the days of it being a career are over. Payscales may have bottomed out at least for most of the US carriers so I guess you could hope they might start back up again but personally I doubt it. Use you college for something worthwhile. If you really care about your performance you will get beat down by those that don't.

There is a lot of truth to this statement. If you want to stay in commercial aviation, an MBA or an engineering degree will get you quicker up the ladder than say an English degree (ask me how I know....)...



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User currently offlineNational757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 720 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 1 day ago) and read 4154 times:

If you are curious and would like to try it out, why not? However let me warn you if you end up on the ramp, watch what you say and how you say it. I have found many of the other rampers (for whatever reason) do not care much for college students.

A better idea would to be find a paid internship in your field of study. I can almost guarantee an internship will be more beneficial to you long term than some job on the ramp.

This is worth repeating:

Quoting M404 (Reply 8):

Use you college for something worthwhile. If you really care about your performance you will get beat down by those that don't.




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User currently offlineApollo13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 1 day ago) and read 4139 times:

Thanks for all the replies. Im still undecided about what my major might be. Ive always had a pssion for the study of aviation and all its aspects. Im scared as hell of flying but it never stops me of my hobby and passion.

User currently offline44k From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 22 hours ago) and read 4097 times:

Hi,

I've been working as an AAgent for the last year. I've started as a senior working on a double bachelors degree and now I'm working on my MBA. Never had any problems, there are usually some part time shifts to choose that will fit your schedule, or in the worst case scenario you make it work by changing shifts (CS) with you fellow co-workers.

PS I love my job. The pay is blah, but its not about the pay for me, its the benefits and I just generally really enjoy what I'm doing right now. Working for an airline as a student is just prefect, IMO.


User currently offlineSkyguyB727 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 22 hours ago) and read 4086 times:

Pilotboi, please use the spell checker on here!

User currently offlineApollo13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 10 hours ago) and read 3977 times:

Quoting 44k (Reply 13):
Hi,

I've been working as an AAgent for the last year. I've started as a senior working on a double bachelors degree and now I'm working on my MBA. Never had any problems, there are usually some part time shifts to choose that will fit your schedule, or in the worst case scenario you make it work by changing shifts (CS) with you fellow co-workers.

PS I love my job. The pay is blah, but its not about the pay for me, its the benefits and I just generally really enjoy what I'm doing right now. Working for an airline as a student is just prefect, IMO.

I cant agree with you any more. My friend told me that i should be working at a job that pays nicely. Or at least better than what im getting now and get paid to do something or be around something that i love. As a matter of fact, I applied for Southwest around 3AM this morning online!!!


User currently offlineAdam T. From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 957 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 5 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

Quoting Apollo13 (Thread starter):

So basically im fed up with my Old navy Job. It sucks having to sell people the Old Navy Credit Card.

Tell me about it.....I work for Dillard's and I always want to slap our bubbly assistant manager when she says "Now l want each of you to open up 10 credits today!"

As far as working in college.......I know at US Airways in Charlotte they do not honor any type of schedule limitation, which is why I ended up going to work at Dillard's for the time being. Check with the airline and station you are thinking about applying to and see what they say.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 4 hours ago) and read 3862 times:

Please be aware that most U.S. airlines require you to be very flexible with scheduling when working on the ramp or any front line position. You have to work whatever shifts you are awarded from bids. I'm surprised people here have failed to mention that.


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User currently offlineSAN88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 111 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months ago) and read 3770 times:

I would recommend WN at OAK.....it is a big WN station and you will have more flexibility with trading away days/hours. Note it is a union contracted job so everything is on a point system (ramp has a good contract), you bid for your days/positions. I’m a CSA with WN, work and school works out ok- for now (I have Tues, Wed and Thurs off) and work doubles on Saturdays, before I use to worked my 130pm-10pm or 230-11pm shifts and go to school in the morning.

[Edited 2007-11-04 22:11:54]

[Edited 2007-11-04 22:18:05]


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User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5001 posts, RR: 28
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months ago) and read 3764 times:

Quoting Apollo13 (Reply 3):
I live in Concord, CA. I go to Diablo Valley College and a station for me would either be OAK or SFO. The only places with BART access.

Go for it! I have known a ton of college students working part time in the airlines. Try UA in SFO. Most part time shifts will be in the evenings, and all the senior agents love morning shifts. I personally like working at night, but as I get older, I am sure that will change!

The work is tough, but fun. Put in your resumes now, and see what comes of it. Be honest during your interviews about your school status. Perhaps seasonal work might be a option to look at.



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User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 820 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3729 times:

SFO and OAK are both pretty big stations and you may have trouble finding a station manager that is willing to help you out and be flexible when there are hundreds of employees to be dealing with. Consider applying with a smaller FBO as they may (or may not) be more flexible and willing to work with you. You won't get nonrev benefits, but working with everything from a 152 to a GV is a reward in itself.

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3698 times:

Quoting F9Animal (Reply 19):

I wanna go to F9!  hissyfit  (Bro, check your email!)



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User currently offlinePVDCMHOZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3661 times:

I worked for UA in college in PVD and CMH... what a fun time that was! Ah.. memories.

User currently offlineApollo13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3537 times:

Okay so i talked to my neighbor who worked for United back in the early to late 90's and told me that it would be a good idea to first go for a customer service/ operations agent position and then work my way down to the ramp so that i can get a feel for the industry and its structure. She tells me it might leave me a better chance of getting a position considering that i am still in college.

User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3445 times:
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I too worked at Old Navy and had enough, then went and got my first airline job, at XJ in MSP, while in college.

I will tell you now the job is not all glamor, or really any glamor. It can be lots of hard work. It is a very interesting field though. There is never a dull day at the airport. Your goal is to get your first job in an airline, to get in the door. Then figure out other stuff you might want to try in the company. Who knows - you may try it and hate it. But at least you try.

There are some neat benefits to it, like the non-rev benefits. But if you are in college, your studies ALWAYS come first. Never make an exception to that. You start doing that and you will be stuck in a dead-end airline job, with no way out. There are lots of part-time jobs out there. Your goal is to earn a degree. If the job gets overwhelming, never let it impact your schoolwork. I let the airline overwhelm me and here I am, still working on my degree. I finally decided I had enough and went back to school. I'm now almost done and my goal is to run the airline, not just work for it.

It's like any other job. If you don't receive any usable benefits from it, whether non-rev privileges, a wage that pays your bills, health insurance, etc., then it's not worth it. Don't settle for some minimum wage job at an FBO just because you get to work around planes. When you do things like that, you lose sight of your goals in life and priorities get screwed up. You get stuck in a place like that forever with no way out.

Although I've gained a lot of valuable experience working the ramp, if I could go back and do it over again, I would have worked easy jobs to get through school then found a job in the airlines with my degree. But with a degree, you will find that airlines, and transportation in general, don't pay as well as other industries out there.



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25 Post contains images Apollo13 : Acidradio and all the other members: Thank you for your responses. I placed an application into American, United, and Southwest. But also placed appli
26 Post contains links and images FXramper : Why you should work for FedEx during college. As a part-time permanent employee you'll enjoy the following benefits and perks: More money per hour tha
27 AirframeAS : Like with UPS, isn't there a catch to that? IE: Must sign up for at least 6 months to 1 year of service.... I know UPS requires it.
28 RamperMAF : I am working the ramp here at MAF part-time for MQ before I start flight school, saving up money and such. I plan on keeping the job part-time after I
29 Pilotboi : This is probably true for large airports. But as said a few times, with smaller airports they seem to be more flexible with your schedule. Of course,
30 LAXAgent : Yes, its true. I quit going to UCLA because I was hired @ AC as a Customer Service Agent. Reason why, is because i was the last one in the seniority
31 Matt : Have you considered working as a flight attendant? That's how I got through my years of college. I worked full time as a flight attendant for a Canadi
32 Post contains images Apollo13 : The only problem is that i have a MORBID FEAR OF FLYING. Its usually the takeoffs that scare me the most. Last time i flew on a long trip (china) i h
33 Dc10s2hnl : I'm transferring up to SF State next fall and I fully intend to investigate a part-time job next summer at SFO or possibly OAK. It seems that most wor
34 NWAESC : What is this, by the way? Thanks in advance.
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