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SAA Wants To Retrench 225 Of Its 783 Pilots  
User currently offlineUmfolozi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3174 times:

SAA is willing to lose up to a quarter of it's pilots as a result of restructuring at the company, knowing that there is a major shortage of pilots worldwide currently and that these highly trained people cannot be replaced. That is 225 out of it's current 783 pilots. Role players in the South African aviation industry are shocked that SAA is prepared to do this, whilst over 12000 pilot posts are currently advertised worldwide. These retrenchments are part of SAA's restructuring plan in order to cut it's operating costs by R638 million. Captain Jimmy Conroy, head of SAA's pilot's association (Saapa), says that since these restructuring plans went public, many international airlines started to approach South Africa for pilots. Emirates recently had five promotion tours here. Cathay Pacific also tried to gain a few pilots from here.

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User currently offlineHummingBird From Jamaica, joined Mar 2007, 3022 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3133 times:
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I do believe the majority will move to The Middle Est, Hong Kong and India if the packages are appealing.


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User currently offlineUmfolozi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3038 times:

Quoting HummingBird (Reply 1):
if the packages are appealing

Not only SAA, but also pilots from other domestic airlines are being aggressively lured with salaries up to 2x more than what they are currently earning.


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2703 times:

From the posts I have seen here at a.net, South African does NOT seem to have a cohesive business plan. First it was an all Boeing airline, then an all Airbus...then they hedged and kept the Boeings...now they're gone.

And routes to the U.S.? First Miami...then Atlanta...now Washington Dulles. One World (never a full member) to SkyTeam (never a member) to Star Alliance. Then there's been discussion of an announcement of a route to Chicago, but never loaded into the computers - then discontinued before it even began.

Now they are "downsizing" their pilot list by almost 30%. I'm sure there are plenty of airlines around the world that would be DELIGHTED to hire wide-body certified pilots with experience.

I'm not sure what SAA's strategy is - if they even have one - but it seems like this airline is self-destructing. If we one day see United Airlines flying their own metal to JNB or CPT, we'll know the end is near!



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16228 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2649 times:

SAA is losing money. They need to cut costs and that includes pilots. That's the way the private sector (aka the "real world") works. The revenue must cover the costs (including salaries) or the salaries need to be reduced.


Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineThreepoint From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 2127 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2603 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 4):
SAA is losing money. They need to cut costs and that includes pilots. That's the way the private sector (aka the "real world") works. The revenue must cover the costs (including salaries) or the salaries need to be reduced.


That's essentially what the original post stated and each successive post has corroborated. Do you have a source supporting the statement that SAA is losing money?



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

Quoting Threepoint (Reply 5):
Do you have a source supporting the statement that SAA is losing money?

Virtually every aviation article covering SAA begins with "The ailing state airline".....

Fleet changes, management restructuring, strikes, and the bold admission directly from the company that they're losing their asses on LHR routes, is probably not a recipe for financial success.

In spite of it all (and ironically), they still offer a great product and in-flight service.

[Edited 2007-11-04 17:52:55]


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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12416 posts, RR: 100
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2497 times:
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Quoting Umfolozi (Thread starter):
whilst over 12000 pilot posts are currently advertised worldwide.

 wideeyed  Wow! Do you have a link?

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3):
I'm sure there are plenty of airlines around the world that would be DELIGHTED to hire wide-body certified pilots with experience.

Understatement of the thread.  Wink

I did a bit of web searching on the airline's financial situation and found a link showing that the South African government is having to pump money into the airline to give it a chance to survive:
http://allafrica.com/stories/200710310206.html

In other words, this reorganization isn't by SAA's choice. It is being done to save the airline. Will other airlines grab the pilots? Of course. But until they have a positive ROI, they're on a watch list. Its never good for long term planning to be a subsidized airline (there is a history of being less competitive than free market rivals). But it looks like South Africa is doing what they can to preserve local jobs. Enough? Only time will tell.

But what airline isn't flying recruiters into Johannesburg? If not, why?  Wink

Good luck to all of those displaced. May they land in a better position.
Lightsaber



I've posted how many times?!?
User currently offlineUmfolozi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2265 times:

Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 7):
Quoting Umfolozi (Thread starter):
whilst over 12000 pilot posts are currently advertised worldwide.

Do you have a link?

I got the info from yesterday's national newspaper. I do not know how true that is however......you know newspapers!


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8090 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2257 times:
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SAA's flagship route is the JNB to LHR run. IF they can't make that work then SAA;s problems are more serious then getting rid of 744 and flying A340-600 as replacements.

User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7204 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2233 times:

http://www.gulfnews.com/nation/Employment/10165030.html

User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7204 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 2201 times:

Clearly an SAA B747 pilot has few option in RSA.

However, equally clearly there will be options elsewhere.

David


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