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PIA Cancels Flights, 19 Aircrafts Grounded  
User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 14124 times:

Most of state-run Pakistan International Airlines's fleet was grounded and dozens of flights cancelled on Friday as ground engineers took medical leave en masse to press for higher salaries.
According to Karachi airport officials, around 45 of PIA'S domestic flights and five international flights scheduled for Friday had been cancelled by 3 pm.
Nineteen of 42 aircraft were on the ground at airports in Pakistan, while the balance were abroad or in the air.

"Almost all (the) fleet is now on the ground," a PIA official told Reuters.
Passengers told Reuters that they had no news of the flight cancellations until they reached the airport.
Witnessess saw angry passengers shouting at PIA staff at the airport, demanding refunds or information about revised flight schedules.

"PIA is constantly using delay tactics by telling us they have no money," he said.

http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articl...15_ISL286382&type=comktNews&rpc=44

[Edited 2007-11-05 09:15:47]

[Edited 2007-11-05 09:16:08]

[Edited 2007-11-05 09:17:00]

37 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1728 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 14032 times:

19 AIRCRAFT!! That is serious stuff! PIA should get its acts together. Its shame to see this airline go down the drain this way...


لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21415 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 14000 times:

Considering the state of affairs in that nation, is it a smart time to be doing this?


Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3069 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 14011 times:

Quoting USADreamliner (Thread starter):
Most of state-run Pakistan International Airlines's fleet was grounded and dozens of flights cancelled on Friday as ground engineers took medical leave en masse to press for higher salaries.
According to Karachi airport officials, around 45 of PIA'S domestic flights and five international flights scheduled for Friday had been cancelled by 3 pm.
Nineteen of 42 aircraft were on the ground at airports in Pakistan, while the balance were abroad or in the

Wow! Can they really do that with their country in a state of emergency.....?


User currently offlineAT From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 978 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 13970 times:

Are all the engineers on strike or only some of them?
If the former, then wouldn't the entire airline operations come to a halt?


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9375 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 13725 times:

PIA is overall a disaster. They have been purchasing brand new planes, but still operate old outdated planes.

They've had a partial ban by the EU.

Now maintenance and support strikes.

It confuses me how the current management can even be there. But alas, PIA isn't run by the same economic factors that most airlines are. They won't just fire executives and bring new ones that know how to fix the airline. I would think that PIA would need consultants from Lufthansa Technik or a similar company like the one that Boeing has set up to come in and overhaul the business.



If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
User currently offlineImiakhtar From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 13106 times:

Quoting AT (Reply 4):
Are all the engineers on strike or only some of them?
If the former, then wouldn't the entire airline operations come to a halt?

From what i have read elsewhere, the engineers are no longer on strike and operations are returning to normal.


User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6288 posts, RR: 54
Reply 7, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 13048 times:

New and very expensive planes for their long haul. High out of pocket costs.

State run airline. With the current state of politics in the country, if I was offered the job as PIA sales manager, would I rush out quit my current job?  no 

High military investments and costs to drain state money tank.

$584m of red ink for nine months - that's minus $18.5m per plane on a 12 months basis - that's way more than the residue value of most of their fleet - ATRs, old B733, A310!

That's losing fifty thousand US dollars per plane per day. There is something completely off track. How can they pay salaries?

Either we will soon hear more bad news about PIA, or those Pakistanis, who pay tax, should prepare for a surprise.



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks ago) and read 12926 times:

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 5):
PIA is overall a disaster. They have been purchasing brand new planes, but still operate old outdated planes.

....with the removal of the B737's soon and the incoming A32X's by 2009, and with the retirement of many of their B747's..PK's fleet average will be less than 10 years old.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 5):

They've had a partial ban by the EU.

...which has been lifted.

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 5):

It confuses me how the current management can even be there.

....they have new management...

Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 5):
They won't just fire executives and bring new ones that know how to fix the airline

...see above...

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 7):
$584m of red ink for nine months

..try asking the US legacies just a few years ago as to how bad they were doing...

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
Considering the state of affairs in that nation, is it a smart time to be doing this?

..all airports are running as scheduled...



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlinePrebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6288 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (6 years 5 months 2 weeks ago) and read 12673 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 8):
Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 7):
$584m of red ink for nine months

..try asking the US legacies just a few years ago as to how bad they were doing...

Scaling this PIA money-bleed to a US legacy major with 500 planes, it would spell something like minus $10bn/yr. None of them would have survived that.



Always keep your number of landings equal to your number of take-offs, Preben Norholm
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 12247 times:

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 9):

Scaling this PIA money-bleed to a US legacy major with 500 planes, it would spell something like minus $10bn/yr. None of them would have survived that.

...........ratio-wise, PK's losses aren't as massive as the legacies....where they were losing a few billion/year....PK's biggest problem is the fact they have twice the amount of employees/plane than even the best carriers in the world do. If they can eliminate that, their losses will be much smaller.



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2823 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10653 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 10):
....PK's biggest problem is the fact they have twice the amount of employees/plane than even the best carriers in the world do. If they can eliminate that, their losses will be much smaller.

That will only change if they privatize. Most state run airlines suffer from these defencies......



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User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10653 times:

They also have extremely corrupt management and a very corrupt government.

User currently offlineSRMD11 From Switzerland, joined Jan 2007, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9328 times:

Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 12):
They also have extremely corrupt management and a very corrupt government.

If this would be like you mention, then Boeing would have a corrupt management also. It allways needs two... please think twice before you make such a ignorant statement!


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3364 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 9273 times:

I would of thought with what's going on in Pakistan atm a strike would be the least of their worries - they could end up with being banned from flying to most countries in the near future and that's not going to help with profits!

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8125 times:

Quoting Alberchico (Reply 11):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 10):
....PK's biggest problem is the fact they have twice the amount of employees/plane than even the best carriers in the world do. If they can eliminate that, their losses will be much smaller.

That will only change if they privatize. Most state run airlines suffer from these defencies......

...yes, I've been saying that practically on every PK thread.... Smile

Quoting Wdleiser (Reply 12):
They also have extremely corrupt management

..this new management isn't too corrupt, though its still not able to efficiently function due in no part of PK being a govt.-owned carrier...

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 14):
I would of thought with what's going on in Pakistan atm a strike would be the least of their worries - they could end up with being banned from flying to most countries in the near future and that's not going to help with profits!

..as long as security checks, m/x. etc is properly done, I see no reason why PK can't continue to fly to other countries.



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3364 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7940 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 15):
..as long as security checks, m/x. etc is properly done, I see no reason why PK can't continue to fly to other countries.

I wasn't thinking of it from a mx poitn of view - rather that there is a strong possibility of sanctions being imposed on them due to the political situation and this may included travel restrictions - or more damaging could be if the US banned spares from being imported?


User currently offlineSKA380 From Norway, joined Jun 2005, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7675 times:

WOW!

Mechanics taking sick leaves in masses to get their will?

Seems like someone is "pulling a SAS"  Smile


User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7186 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 8):
Quoting RoseFlyer (Reply 5):

It confuses me how the current management can even be there.

....they have new management...

New management have been in place since quite a while so it makes them current.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 7128 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 16):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 15):
..as long as security checks, m/x. etc is properly done, I see no reason why PK can't continue to fly to other countries.

I wasn't thinking of it from a mx poitn of view - rather that there is a strong possibility of sanctions being imposed on them due to the political situation and this may included travel restrictions - or more damaging could be if the US banned spares from being imported?

.....sanctions are a very far cry at this point in time....

Quoting 777way (Reply 18):

New management have been in place since quite a while so it makes them current.

While it is "current" under the strictest sense..it has been only 5-6 months..that certainly isn't enough time to turn around a company, let alone something as complicated as PK.. Smile



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4360 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6619 times:

If I see correctly, the current president of Pakistan has revolted against his own country, the constitution is suspended, the supreme court closed, because his reelection was against the constitution.

So, while this officially looks like a protest for more payment, is their contribution to fight against establishment of a dictatorship by their current president, who is replacing the democracy by an islamic dictatorship, and this backed by this stupid US government because he is from another islamic tribe as the Talibans .


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 21, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6341 times:

Quoting Burkhard (Reply 20):
So, while this officially looks like a protest for more payment, is their contribution to fight against establishment of a dictatorship by their current president, who is replacing the democracy by an islamic dictatorship, and this backed by this stupid US government because he is from another islamic tribe as the Talibans .

..in a word.."no"... Smile It is a protest due to lack of increase in pay which has been happening for years. The timing is a bit questionable, but it was independent of the current political situation.



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineGeorgiaAME From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 926 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6233 times:

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 7):
That's losing fifty thousand US dollars per plane per day

Do I smell a potential merger with Alitalia, they seem to have a good deal in common? If the situation weren't so serious for the planet, my sarcasm might actually be humorous.  crazy 



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User currently offline777way From Pakistan, joined Dec 2005, 5716 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5702 times:

I feel PIA ia deliberately being made to go down so it can be privatised, you all dont know governmet job holders psyche, PK employees will never let the airline be privatised and risk losing their cushy jobs as long as its doing well, the only way it can be privatised is if its hits an all time low then the employess cannot protest against it being sold off.

Why should PIA be privatised if can do well even under govt. ownership? because the standard of the airline will always be at stake with who comes to power and gets their people in, so one govt. might help it become like Emirates the next to could fuick it up byt putting in useless people.


User currently offlineN5716B From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5560 times:
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Quoting Burkhart (Reply 20):
So, while this officially looks like a protest for more payment, is their contribution to fight against establishment of a dictatorship by their current president, who is replacing the democracy by an islamic dictatorship, and this backed by this stupid US government because he is from another islamic tribe as the Talibans .

Congratulations! I didn't think it was possible for anyone to try to blame the US on this one, but you've somehow managed to pull it off!

You can expect your prize (an all-expenses paid trip on PIA to Karachi) in the mail in 2-4 weeks.

Sheesh.



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25 BigTom : Musharraf from another Islamic tribe? That's a new one! Pakistan might be a dicatatorship but in no way can you call it an Islamic dictatorship. In f
26 Scumbag : Is this not martal law? One could be pulled out into street and get a good cane across his asp, then he would surely need a medical leave. Back to wor
27 777way : On a positive note PIA Cargo have launched service to Hahn under ACMI deal with MNG Airlines, operated with A300F Lahore-Istabnbul-Hahn.
28 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ..much better than an all-expenses paid trip to just north of KATL...
29 777way : PIA Cargo have also stopped operating to Cologne and Luton, their contract with MNG has been terminated since mid September, so no Hahn happening.
30 Threepoint : Well, they did, so there's the answer. I doubt it. Imposing sanctions against Iran is one thing, but Pakistan, despite its current situation, is a ve
31 A380BWI : PK PK PK.......there is a lot one can say about this airline. Keeps posting losses...hmmmmm i wonder why. Aircraft damages, strikes, corruption on all
32 Cricket : Silly question - How will the Pakistani cricket team get back from India if this goes on - IC? But I also think the timing is quite strange given curr
33 777way : Cricket team uses PIA. Latest update that all 747s may be pulled out of service after Hajj operations from 24 January, apparently confirmed by a Pilot
34 Jacobin777 : ..IIRC, they aren't going to be selling that hotel for a while. While their losses is nothing to be proud of, its been approximately $1 billion total
35 Post contains images CPH757 : Excuse me, but Wdleiser doesn't make an ignorant statements, he acusses the Pakistani government and PIA management for being corrupt. Although I hav
36 Post contains links 777way : Passenger services to Frankfurt to resume soon, lets see how soon that is, Cargo flights through MNG were being operated to hahn and not Cologne. A po
37 Jacobin777 : ..lots of competition now with LH.....lets hope PK does well... ..most people are clueless when it comes to the beauty and history of Pakistan, espec
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