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Boeing And LAN Complete 787 And 777F Deal  
User currently onlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5735 posts, RR: 48
Posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10406 times:

Just out:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/071105/aqm168.html?.v=17

Intersting that they don't specify the numbers between the 787-8 and 787-9.


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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3429 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10220 times:

Congrats to LAN and Boeing, once again!!

26+6 787s- wow, I hadn't realized there were so many A343s and 767s to be replaced!!!
Also- how many 767Fs does LAN operate. Presumably the 777F will be replacing some of the older freighters?

AA1818



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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 10195 times:

At least some good news! congrats!


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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3429 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10175 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 2):
At least some good news! congrats!

Very true. Boeing's previous upwards trend has been looking down sincethe end of September. Let's hope Airlines decide to buy themselves and their pax some Boeing made Christmas gifts..and let's hope our friends in DXB give Boeing a piece of the pie!!!

AA1818



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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2671 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10103 times:

Yes, everything goes wrong for Boeing since the announcement of the 787 delay IMO


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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12411 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10083 times:

Maybe I missed it amid all the excitement about the 787 order, but I hadn't heard/don't recall the 777F part of it.

Is it likely that LA's A340 acft will be replaced by 777 pax acft?


User currently onlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5735 posts, RR: 48
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10085 times:

Anyone know what the breakdown of the 26 787s will be?


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21476 posts, RR: 60
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 10062 times:

ROFL.

Yes, Boeing has been in real trouble. I mean, sure they are on a record pace this year in terms of sales, but the last few weeks, barely anything, and because this business is such a short term thing, where one month means the end of the world, it's good to see Boeing able to avoid bankruptcy. Airbus was lucky to survive their similar scare a couple months back...  Wink

Airbus and Boeing are both on pace to sell more planes than ever. With today's firming (not counting others we don't know about), that's up to 948 Boeing planes in 10 months (I say up to because these might have been UFOs, in whole or part). Up to 433 of them are widebodies. And that's net.

And if Airbus firms even 1/2 their pending orders in December, they'll easily pass 1000, and that's with no new orders announced at Dubai? Airbus could easily do 1100 firm this year, and even 1100 net firm!



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21476 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9967 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
Up to 433 of them are widebodies. And that's net.

And in 2005, their previous best widebody year, they sold 447 net. So they are on pace to break that easily, considering BA and QF are still lagging on firming their 787s which should be done by Dec 31...



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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 9951 times:

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2007/q4/071105c_nr.html

Looks nice!

(28) direct from Boeing, (2) from GECAS and (6) from ILFC.

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 1):

Why replace brand new a/c?

LAN Airlines CHILE South America 767-300ER GE 17-Mar-2006 1
LAN Airlines CHILE South America 767-300ER GE 29-Jun-2006 1
LAN Airlines CHILE South America 767-300ER GE 28-Jul-2006 1
LAN Airlines CHILE South America 767-300ER GE 24-Nov-2006 1
LAN Airlines CHILE South America 767-300ER GE 23-May-2007 1
LAN Airlines CHILE South America 767-300F GE 31-Jul-2001 1
LAN Airlines CHILE South America 767-300F GE 09-Oct-2001 1
LAN Airlines CHILE South America 767-300F GE 28-Jul-2005 1
LAN Airlines CHILE South America 767-300F GE 08-Nov-2005 1
LAN Airlines CHILE South America 767-300F GE 26-Oct-2006 1

With (8) more 767-300ER on order... Doubt they are replacing anything but expanding is more like it!

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 5):
Is it likely that LA's A340 acft will be replaced by 777 pax acft?

Yeah if so they would first have to order the 777 to replace anything.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 6):
Anyone know what the breakdown of the 26 787s will be?

Looks like (6) of the 787-9's will come from ILFC so maybe the direct order is more for the 787-8... Also I believe those (6) are options that they filled.



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User currently offlineCJAContinental From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 459 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 9697 times:

Is it just me or have the press given a new name for the 777F: the mini-jumbo?

http://www.reuters.com/article/companyNewsAndPR/idUSN0529054520071105



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User currently offlineFyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 784 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9596 times:

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 1):
Presumably the 777F will be replacing some of the older freighters?

Maybe, but if I recall correctly, one of them is for the Brazilian subsidiary ABSA Cargo to handle the growing demand. The other 3 for LAN. By misfortune, seems none of them will fly under Mexican partner MAS Air Cargo livery.

Congratulations to all Chileans and Boeing.

Fyano


User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3429 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9514 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 7):
ROFL.

Yes, Boeing has been in real trouble. I mean, sure they are on a record pace this year in terms of sales, but the last few weeks, barely anything, and because this business is such a short term thing, where one month means the end of the world, it's good to see Boeing able to avoid bankruptcy. Airbus was lucky to survive their similar scare a couple months back...

Airbus and Boeing are both on pace to sell more planes than ever. With today's firming (not counting others we don't know about), that's up to 948 Boeing planes in 10 months (I say up to because these might have been UFOs, in whole or part). Up to 433 of them are widebodies. And that's net.

And if Airbus firms even 1/2 their pending orders in December, they'll easily pass 1000, and that's with no new orders announced at Dubai? Airbus could easily do 1100 firm this year, and even 1100 net firm!

I was in no way implying that Boeing were going to go bust or anything like that. It's just after having 3 years of constant success, the boys at Boeing are extremely quiet and reserved ever since the delay was announced. Rightfully so as well. But it's just quite a change to see things at Boeing no bubbling over with excitement. I expect Boeing to continue to be hugely successful. I was more poking fun at the change in 'demeanour' if that's possible for a company!

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 9):
Why replace brand new a/c?

I hadn't realized so many were new!!! WOW!!! So LAN is poised for some massive expansion presumably!!! hmmm...sounds good for the region, for One World and hopefully us small islands in the Caribbean who would kill for a direct connection to SCL for business!!

How many 767s so they have including those on order?? And how many A340s?

Cheers
AA1818



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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 54
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 9400 times:

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 12):
How many 767s so they have including those on order?? And how many A340s?

LA has ordered (18) 767-300ER and (8) 767-300ERF direct from Boeing dating back to May of 97'. YTD... They fly (23) 767-300ER/ERF's.

They have (3) outstanding orders from Boeing.

LAN Airlines CHILE South America 767-300ER GE 31-Jan-2007 3

Airbus... (5) A340-300.



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User currently offlineRJ_Delta From Chile, joined Oct 2000, 1944 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8459 times:

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 1):
26+6 787s- wow, I hadn't realized there were so many A343s and 767s to be replaced!!!
Also- how many 767Fs does LAN operate. Presumably the 777F will be replacing some of the older freighters?

The B787s will replace the B763s fleet and A340s. LAN wants to have a single model for longhaul fleet. The B772F are in adition to B763F fleet. One B772F is for ABSA Cargo (Brazil) and others three for LAN Cargo. The first B772F will be delivered in December 2008.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 5):
Is it likely that LA's A340 acft will be replaced by 777 pax acft?

At this moment A343 fleet will be replaced by B789. However LAN is evaluating to order a couple of B777 (B772, B772LR, and B773ER are considered).

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 12):
How many 767s so they have including those on order?? And how many A340s?

Actually LAN 23 Boeing 767-300ER (including the CC-CWY which will be delivered on Nov. 8 2007) plus 4 Boeing 767-300ER on order (CC-CXC- Jan 2008-, CC-CXD, CC-CXE, CC-CXF), and 9 Boeing 767-300F.

The A343 fleet are formed by 4 A340 bought direct to Airbus and 1 leased from ILFC ex AC (actually CC-CQG). Also LAn will lease 3 more A343 (all ex AC) during a short term until the arrival of the B789.

The Boeing B787 will be delivered following according the following schedule:

2 B787-9 2011
2 B787-9 2012
2 B787-9 2013
26 B787-8 from 2015 to 2017.

[Edited 2007-11-05 18:00:13]

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8426 times:

Remember LAN is a group of four airlines, and I'm assuming that all four LAN airline will benefit from these new planes.


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User currently offlineAA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3429 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8407 times:

Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 14):

Cheers for the info!!!
Very much appreciated!

AA1818



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User currently offlineBillReid From Netherlands, joined Jun 2006, 990 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7856 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 4):
Yes, everything goes wrong for Boeing since the announcement of the 787 delay IMO

It seams everyone expects an new order every day. Why not a little patience.
The sooner or later orders from AA, DL, UA (at some point) and the USAF tanker will be bigger than Emirates and Ethidad airlines fleets combined.

What are we looking at, 500 plus aircraft? So how do we presume Boeing is in bad shape.

AA has over 200 MD80's to be replaced.
DL has oer 150 MD80's to be replaced.
The USAF is for well over 100 frames.
AA will need 50 wide bodies.
DL will need 50 wide bodies.

There is at least 550 frames. So what's the problem??



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User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 54
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7701 times:

Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 14):
Actually LAN 23 Boeing 767-300ER (including the CC-CWY which will be delivered on Nov. 8 2007) plus 4 Boeing 767-300ER on order (CC-CXC- Jan 2008-, CC-CXD, CC-CXE, CC-CXF), and 9 Boeing 767-300F.

Where are you getting these numbers from? LA planes (8) 767-300ERF and have received (8). The 767-300ER... Place (18) orders... Received (8).

Where are all theses ghost 767F's? They only have outstanding 767-300ER's.

Also why would they buy new a/c and replace it with in 8-9yrs?



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User currently offlineHalls120 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7616 times:

Quoting AA1818 (Reply 12):
It's just after having 3 years of constant success, the boys at Boeing are extremely quiet and reserved ever since the delay was announced.

And this is odd because? You think they ought to have been acting differently?


User currently offlineJetSetter629 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7165 times:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 9):

It wouldn't make sense to replace them especially since most of them have recently renovated interiors. Are we looking at major expansion for LAN? Also, will these be just with LAN Chile, or will they go to other airlines in the LAN Group (LAN Argentina, LAN Peru, and LAN Ecuador). This will give those three major expansion opportunities.


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3383 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6663 times:

Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 14):
2 B787-9 2011
2 B787-9 2012
2 B787-9 2013
26 B787-8 from 2015 to 2017.

That's interesting as it suggests that to get new 787s direct from Boeing you're now looking at 8 years time (that's only my interpretation of the figures as it looks like the 26 are the direct sales and the smaller quantities are from the lessor)


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6325 times:

Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 14):
At this moment A343 fleet will be replaced by B789.

Wow, didn't know that there were already plans to make the 789 ETOPS330, because that is what it'll need for LAN to replace the A343 to operate to AKL. Or route the flight hundreds of miles further north and increase flight lenght by at least 2 hours, certainly not too viable.

Quoting RJ_Delta (Reply 14):
Actually LAN 23 Boeing 767-300ER (including the CC-CWY which will be delivered on Nov. 8 2007) plus 4 Boeing 767-300ER on order (CC-CXC- Jan 2008-, CC-CXD, CC-CXE, CC-CXF), and 9 Boeing 767-300F.

That's not what Boeing's Order page says.


User currently offlineSh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5862 times:

Great news for Boeing and LAN. They going to wait along time for them, and when they get them oil might be $300 a barrel.

What does this say about airlines from America, AA, UA, DL who haven't stepped up and ordered new long haul planes in a while. Even if they go A350 , if they wait until 2008 to order they're not going to get any new planes until 20015 or 2016. They may get a few token planes for being large customers,. but they wont get a fleet of them by then.

I would rather fly LAN and their new long haul widebodies when they arrive than an American legacy carrier with 15 or 20 year old 777s.


User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5264 times:

LAN has been licking their chops at getting some 777Fs...and the 787 is such a great fit for their operations. Nice to see another major order before 2008...especially one that includes the 789.


Ding! You are now free to keep supporting Frontier.
25 EBJ1248650 : From a business point of view, I'm sure Boeing realizes this is not a time to be crowing. The delays in the 787 program are embarrassing. What crowin
26 Boeingfever777 : Replace what? No where did I state that LA is replacing anything.
27 RJ_Delta : I considered all LAN aircraft not the planes bought directly from Boeing Company. And the information of the exactly LAN fleet is from the database o
28 NYC777 : Not that I doubt you but what are you sources (I'm guessing you have inside sources)? Are you saying that they only 787-9 that they're taking are onl
29 RJ_Delta : Exactly B787-9 will be leased and the rest 26 B787-8 bought direct.[Edited 2007-11-06 10:42:07]
30 NYC777 : Thanks, I was wondering how you know this as it was not stated in the press release yesterday. Thanks again.
31 DAL767400ER : I'll ask again, what will LAN do to avoid ETOPS issues across the South Pacific if they plan on getting rid of the 4-holers that are currently the on
32 OldAeroGuy : The FAA have issued an AC for ETOPS operations up to 330 min. Perhaps LAN and the Chilean Airworthiness Authority will be using this document to open
33 BoeingFever777 : Assume you mean these... CC-CXC LAN 36710 767-316ER CC-CXD LAN 35697 767-316ER CC-CXE LAN 35696 767-316ER CC-CXF LAN 36711 767-316ER Where is this my
34 Tdscanuck : It's always perking along in the background but, so far, the technology to make the business case work doesn't exist. Tom.
35 Post contains links and images PM : Not according to Boeing: http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2007/q4/071105c_nr.html The order for 26 Dreamliners, consisting of a mix of 787-8s and
36 Raggi : You seem upbeat on RR getting this one. I for one would think this'd be GE all the way; 777Fs with GE90s, two of these leased from GECAS, they op lot
37 RJ_Delta : CC-CZY LAN Cargo CC-CZZ LAN Cargo N312LA LAN Cargo N314LA MAS Air N316LA Florida West N418LA LAN Cargo N420LA LAN Cargo with MAS Air colour scheme an
38 Raggi : Ok, not that I don't believe you, but do you have a source? I would also be surprised if GE did not bag this order. raggi
39 RJ_Delta : Well according the LAN information and database, appears that the new B787s will equipped with GE engines. Remember that LAN doesn't work with Rolls
40 NYC777 : What's interesting is that ILFC has 1 787-9 on order and 74 -8s on order. Now that they have to provide 6 -9s to LAN they either have to: 1) convert s
41 NYC777 : Boeing posted the LAN order in October and it break down as follows: 18 x 788 8 x 789 (plus the 6 x 789 they get on lease from ILFC)
42 RJ_Delta : The LAN B787s order can be modified in terms of number of aircraft and options. Initially the LAN order inclue 26 B787-8 and 6 787-9. By the way, by
43 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : They didn't bag the order. RR did; Rolls-Royce wins $2.4 bln order from LAN Airlines LONDON, Nov 21 (Reuters) - British engine maker Rolls-Royce Grou
44 Post contains images PM :
45 Post contains images AirbusA6 : Mmmm, a major surprise, but then the split between GE and RR powered 787s is surprisingly unpredictable... PM must have a very reliable mole
46 Post contains images PM : Two, actually. The first tipped me the wink in August!
47 Post contains images RJ_Delta : It is a big suprise even for all LAN. Yes i said that LAN will select GE aircraft because the B787 figures in the database of LAN with General Electr
48 MD11junkie : Well, to be fair with RJ_Delta, I think that it was a "known fact" (well, now wrong) that GE would win this order - many of us underestimated a possi
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