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SAN: Public Briefings Start Nov 6 On Airport Plans  
User currently onlineTugger From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 6603 posts, RR: 10
Posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2127 times:

Starting on November 6, 2007 a series of community meetings will be held on the future of Lindbergh Field in San Diego and provide details on proposed airport improvements

From the SDCRAA:

The Airport Authority invites the public to attend community meetings to learn more about the Phase 1 Airport Master Plan and Draft Environmental Impact Report (EIR) for near-term improvements at San Diego International Airport. These include a ten-gate build-out of Terminal 2, a dual-level roadway in front of Terminal 2 and various parking, roadway and airfield improvements.

They plan to brief the public on the agency's plans to overhaul the airport by 2030, including shorter-term proposals to add boarding gates and create a transit hub on the northeast side of the Harbor Drive airfield.

The ideas are included in an updated master plan and an environmental impact report being considered by the authority. Details are posted on www.sanplan.com.

The meetings are scheduled for:

November 6 (tomorrow) 12–8 p.m. San Marcos Community Center
3 Civic Center Drive, San Marcos

November 8 (Thursday) 12–8 p.m. La Mesa Community Center
4975 Memorial Drive, La Mesa

November 14 12–8 p.m. The Salvation Army Kroc Center
6845 University Avenue, San Diego

November 15 12–8 p.m. Valencia Park/Malcolm X Branch Library
5148 Market Street, San Diego

November 17 1–6 p.m. Harding Community Center
3096 Harding Street, Carlsbad

November 29 12–8 p.m. Chula Vista City Hall
276 4th Ave, Chula Vista

Just FYI, thought some SAN A.netters might be interested in attending (and of course commenting!).

I mean seriously, what could be more fun than this.... OK maybe banging your head against a wall....


[Edited 2007-11-05 11:30:02]

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User currently offlineDL767captain From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2539 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2047 times:

So what are they proposing? A new runway? a new location? Honestly i love where SAN is, its a great place for when visitors fly in, the ocean is right there! So what can they do? They need more land, miramar would be great but i think the Govt wants to keep that, but it seems like they could do something to build another runway or extend the current one.

User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4625 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2039 times:

I was just at SAN about 10 days ago. Not a bad place. I don't see how they can really do anything to it. They are painted into a corner about as bad as they can be. Anything they do will certainly be prohibitively expensive.

Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 79
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2033 times:

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 1):
So what are they proposing? A new runway? a new location?

A quick read of the provided documentation says neither.


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2010 times:

There certainly are some very odd locations for these meetings!!

The San Marcos location to SAN is 37.4 driving miles.

The La Mesa location to SAN is 14.4 driving miles.

The Carlsbad location to SAN is 35.1 driving miles.

The Chula Vista location (which is the closest suburban location) to SAN is 11.8 miles.

The Joan Kroc Center location is 12.1 miles to SAN - and oddly, very close to the La Mesa location.

The Valencia Park location is 8.6 miles to SAN, but ironically, this is the only location that is anywhere NEAR the flight path, and it is directly under it.

I understand the need to include the entire community in discussions, but the closer in neighborhoods like North Park (where I live) seem to be left out. Not that there was any information on this in the newspaper...

Since the airport is never going anywhere, my main suggestion would be to have a drop-off point on the east end of the airport with a tram connecting the Commuter terminal, T1, and T2, which would also connect with one of the trolley stops on the east side of the airport. This would take a LOT of unnecessary traffic off of Harbor Drive...but I'm sure the cab drivers will claim that this will take food out of their children's mouths, so it probably won't happen. Sigh...

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User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1982 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 4):
This would take a LOT of unnecessary traffic off of Harbor Drive...but I'm sure the cab drivers will claim that this will take food out of their children's mouths, so it probably won't happen.

And such an option would cost a couple of billion because of freeway off ramps, new infrastructure, baggage systems and the APM to get you from point A to point B.

User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 3155 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1936 times:

The Regional Airport Authority is planning a parking area on the old General Dynamics plant area. It would make sense to build a two lane road for buses only to serve the parking area, the Old Town Transit Center, a nearby Trolley stop and Downtown. A real Trolley would be too costly and take up too much space.

I'm more concerned with the single taxiway getting head to head operations from the new gates on the west side of Terminal 2. They are proposing a short dual taxiway, but it ends west of where most arrivals exit RW 27.

Interestingly, there are two rows of RON spaces proposed west of the new gates and a circular taxilane that would loop around one set of RON spaces with the terminal being east of the circular taxilane and other set of RON spaces to the west of the circular taxilane. A one-way taxilane is proposed, but the schematics show the aircraft operate in the wrong direction. Maybe just the graphics people got it wrong.

The other thing that bothers me is that the Authority wants to level the GA terminal and move it to create a departure "staging area". The staging area would require commercial aircraft to cross one of the most active runways in the world. The Authority now controls the old Teledyne Ryan property, which would make much more sense to become the staging area at the south side of RW 27 and allow the taxiway to be rebuilt to meet FAA standards. The GA terminal relocation should not be in the same Phase as the Terminal Two expansion.

The RAA is offering tours of the airport Nov 8 & 9 and Dec 13 & 14. Click on Press RElease on this link. http://www.san.org/Airport_Authority/News/news.asp

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