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Cleared For Push And Start: Irish 48/07  
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12463 posts, RR: 37
Posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5313 times:

Good morning everyone and welcome to our 48th thread this year ...

As we head into the last weeks of 2007, we certainly have a very interesting year to look back on - and hopefully a good year to look forward to. As for the month ahead, well, I can't think of anything very exciting that's predictable, but no doubt a few curve balls will be sent in our directions. Who knows that innovations and dynamism will emerge from the Dept of Transport this month!

Well, the ground crew is holding the nosegear pin up and we have taxi clearance, so let's just push the throttles gently forward and be on our way ...

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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26971 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5266 times:

Ryanair to cut airport costs with check-in kiosks scheme
Tuesday November 06 2007

RYANAIR is planning to follow Aer Lingus' lead and introduce check-in kiosks at Dublin Airport.


Airline boss Michael O'Leary said the move, from as early as next April, would make checking-in far more convenient for passengers, as the system would allow them to pay charges like baggage fees without having to go across to customer service desks.

http://www.independent.ie/national-n...checkin-kiosks-scheme-1212721.html

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BA rated worst for lost bags and delays - According to data published on Monday by the Association of European Airlines, covering July to September this year, BA ranked 24th among the 25 airlines which disclosed statistics for the number of delayed bags per 1,000 passengers. Only TAP Air Portugal had a worse record - although several carriers, including Virgin Atlantic, BMI British Midland and Aer Lingus do not disclose baggage figures.


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http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2007/1106/1194222691865.html

Missing travel agent found in Paris
Anne Lucey

A Listowel travel agent who went missing while on a visit to Paris two months ago has been found.

John Kennelly (47) was last seen leaving his hotel, the Meridien Etoile, Porte Maillot, at 7am on Sunday, September 9th, hours before he was due to fly home. He had told his wife, Marie, he was going for a walk and would be back in time to leave for the flight home.


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3509 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5261 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
Ryanair to cut airport costs with check-in kiosks scheme
Tuesday November 06 2007

RYANAIR is planning to follow Aer Lingus' lead and introduce check-in kiosks at Dublin Airport.


Airline boss Michael O'Leary said the move, from as early as next April, would make checking-in far more convenient for passengers, as the system would allow them to pay charges like baggage fees without having to go across to customer service desks.

http://www.independent.ie/national-n....html

I assume they will charge something like €8 for "bypassing the queue". You will conveniently pay it by putting your credit card into the machine which will charge additional €5 credit card fee.  Wink


User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 5240 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
RYANAIR is planning to follow Aer Lingus' lead and introduce check-in kiosks at Dublin Airport.

I was wondering when this was going to happen, each passanger paying €3 to use it though means that soon enough they will have paid for them selves and FR will be making serious money on them.

Quote:
Those cost savings in Dubiln, however, could be lower than anticipated as sources at the airport confirmed a "commercial charge" for kiosks will soon be introduced.

Novelty

"When Aer Lingus brought them in they were a novelty. They're not a novelty any more," a source added.

I can't help wonder if FR brought them in before EI would this "commercial charge" have been introduced then.

Quote:
Mr Millar said Ryanair had been a late convert to kiosks because the models out now were "far slicker" and "far cheaper" than the earlier versions. He added that Ryanair's versions will include functions like hotel booking and car hire booking.

I was also wondering when this was going to happen, it's not a difficult thing to do but also makes a lot of sence.



John Hancock
User currently offlineShamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4175 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5220 times:

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 3):
I can't help wonder if FR brought them in before EI would this "commercial charge" have been introduced then.

Indeed, and I think it's a silly move by the DAA. Having Kiosks greatly reduces queues and space constriants and that is something the DAA should be welcoming with open arms given the congestion in the check in area.

Then again, I guess it's all part of the great, never ending war "DAA vs. FR".



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26971 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5214 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 2):
I assume they will charge something like €8 for "bypassing the queue". You will conveniently pay it by putting your credit card into the machine which will charge additional €5 credit card fee.

You must have insider indo LOL....


User currently offlineShamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4175 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5210 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 5):
You must have insider indo LOL....

It would be very FR though...  Smile



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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5193 times:

Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 4):
Indeed, and I think it's a silly move by the DAA. Having Kiosks greatly reduces queues and space constriants and that is something the DAA should be welcoming with open arms given the congestion in the check in area.

Well, ultimately the DAA woudl loose revenue from not having the desks rented out. It is likely to be a minimal charge anyway. In fairness there are EI kiosks crammed into every random corner in the departures area, most of which are never used, and are clutering up the place more than anything else. Kisoks and OLCI are the way to go though, I cant wait until the kiosks are able to tag the bag and off it goes. Its such a mess getting your card from the machience, then going to Bag Tag and Drop and possibly having to go to the ticket desk, and back to the check-in to collect the BP. Nightmare! A bluetooth chip&pin card reader would not kill them!

The queues to the kiskos can be stupid as well. If one kiosk is manned, then people will only use that one.....urgh!

It is also interesting to see that FR will attempt to sell you things as you check-in. So you will have to pay for the privilage of using the machiene, then they will get money fro anythign you buy. Well MOL can fe*k off, if I have to pay to use check-in Im gonna use the most costly (for him) method possible, uless they charge less for the kiosk, of course!

Brian.



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User currently offlineShamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4175 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5146 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 7):
Well, ultimately the DAA woudl loose revenue from not having the desks rented out. It is likely to be a minimal charge anyway. In fairness there are EI kiosks crammed into every random corner in the departures area, most of which are never used, and are clutering up the place more than anything else

True, but I think we would all agree that without OLCI and kiosks, the departures hall would have been an even bigger mess than it is now with the huge expansion in Aer Lingus services in recent years. Can you imagine how it would be without the kiosks and OLCI? Ughhhh..

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 7):
It is also interesting to see that FR will attempt to sell you things as you check-in.

Yes, and that may mean that there will be no benefit to be had from their kiosks as people will only stay at them longer. Seems like a sideways rather than a foreward step when you take that into account.



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User currently offlineEI564 From Ireland, joined May 2007, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5134 times:

Quoting Shamrock604 (Reply 8):
Yes, and that may mean that there will be no benefit to be had from their kiosks as people will only stay at them longer. Seems like a sideways rather than a foreward step when you take that into account.

Its interesting that that is what the Indo article also referred to...

"What we're ultimately interested in is whether this will clear up space in the departures hall," said one source. "If people are going to be spending long amounts of time on these things that's not something we'd want to encourage."

I presume that is why there might be a charge for kiosks.

Also, nobody wants the airport to be overrun with kiosks. It already has Aer Lingus, bmi and Air France. Maybe SAS too? If Ryanair had the choice it would probably dump loads of kiosks into the terminal (so it can sell stuff to passengers), never mind that it might actually make things more congested, not less. Hopefully a payment will keep things reasonable. And as stated, i'm sure it will be cheaper than having a real check-in desk.

What you really want is all airlines to use the same kiosks but I presume they would never agree to that.

[Edited 2007-11-06 06:42:55]

User currently offlineShamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4175 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5098 times:

Quoting EI564 (Reply 9):
Its interesting that that is what the Indo article also referred to...

I dont work for the DAA... honest!!!  Smile



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26971 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5071 times:

Easyjet announced that they are to sell thru travel agents and their flights will be available in Galileo and Amadeus.

Im just waiting for FR to do the same LOL.....


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5055 times:

After some trouble i found this thread. ( and with some help from OA260)

Quoting EI564 (Reply 9):
Maybe SAS too?

Think that SAS has self check-in kiosks in DUB.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
BA rated worst for lost bags and delays

I am not surprised.

I have travel with BA twice from/to ARN and LAX. And they have lost my baggage once and twice they have delivered it really late. One of the bag came 5days late.

Hope now when BA will move to T5 that their baggage handling will be much better.



Work Hard, Fly Right
User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2758 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5052 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 12):
After some trouble i found this thread. ( and with some help from OA260)

Glad you found your way. Was just copying the link to respond to your post on the previous thread but I see OA260 has been even more efficient!



Long live Aer Lingus!
User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5048 times:

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 13):
Glad you found your way

And I am really glad that i found the thread.

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 13):
Was just copying the link to respond to your post on the previous thread but I see OA260 has been even more efficient!

Thank you anyway.



Work Hard, Fly Right
User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5042 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 14):
And I am really glad that i found the thread.

If you cant find us the easieast thing to do is to presst "CTRL" and "F" (as in Find) and just type "Irish" into the box, unless we have named it somehting else, like Irlandais a few threads back you will find us without a bother!

Remember that fingers were made before forks, but Keyboards were made before Mice! Infact there are few (if any?) functions which can't be completed on the keyboard.

Brian.
(p.s. if you use a mac, the command is "Cmnd/Apple Key" and "F")



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 5038 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 15):
If you cant find us the easieast thing to do is to presst "CTRL" and "F" (as in Find) and just type "Irish" into the box, unless we have named it somehting else, like Irlandais a few threads back you will find us without a bother!

Thank you for your advice. Really appreciate it.

Wow, all you guys really wants to help me in all ways to find this thread. I really appreciate it. Feels like we all are a really big and great family  Wink



Work Hard, Fly Right
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12463 posts, RR: 37
Reply 17, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 5004 times:

I'm sorry you had such a problem getting to the new thread; I usually try to post a link to the new one at the end of the old thread, but I tried this about six or seven times this morning and it just wasn't happening.

I'm glad to see that FR is introducing these check in machines; I've always found them very useful. My parents love them too. You can say that a lot of things have disimproved in recent years, but this and Internet booking (and of course, the Internet generally) has really added to the flying experience.

Quoting EI564 (Reply 9):
What you really want is all airlines to use the same kiosks but I presume they would never agree to that.

It is certainly feasible; I'm sure, for example, that you could have (if you don't already) airlines of the same alliance using each others' machines. When I passed through LGW last weekend, I saw that there are machines provided by the BAA for a number of carriers, including NW.


User currently offlineF1eddie From Ireland, joined May 2007, 461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4993 times:

Yeah its o funny. I checked in online with SQ from Perth to SIN and then i got to the airport and did my bag drop and got my BC. I had one person in front of me i think. Then i saw the normal queue for those that do nothing but walk up to the counter and it was massive.

Same happened in SIN but they have a downtown check in and you get everything there and you just need to drop your bags at the airport. Great service. Never noticed the SSCI machines but I'm sure SQ have them



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17066 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4982 times:

Quoting F1eddie (Reply 18):
Same happened in SIN but they have a downtown check in and you get everything there and you just need to drop your bags at the airport

That didn't I know. So you get your BCs in downtown??



Work Hard, Fly Right
User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3920 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4978 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 16):
Thank you for your advice. Really appreciate it.

Not a bother.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 17):
It is certainly feasible; I'm sure, for example, that you could have (if you don't already) airlines of the same alliance using each others' machines.

I THINK (from previous posts) that the reason EI was not likely to expand FastPass byond the current airports was becasue of campatability issues with "Departure Control System". I know from TRs that SAS does third party handling (such as charters) and the SSKs can be used. SO I extend that the SSK's would have to be limited to a specific ground handler? Sky Handling, Ryanair, Servisair, Aviance, Aer Lingus would all have to have their own kiosks but these could be used by any airline they handle, Thinking about though, if my Mac can run windows in parallel to OS X, then surely it would be possible to have more than one DCS on each machiene?

MAN also has common SSKs, (IBM, like the EI ones) but perhaps these are ServisAir, etc kisoks, I dont know.

Brian.



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User currently offlineF1eddie From Ireland, joined May 2007, 461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4956 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 19):
So you get your BCs in downtown?

Yep but only in singapore



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User currently offlineTheDiplomat From Ireland, joined Jun 2006, 382 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4958 times:

I notice that SNN airport had two passenger departures after 5.30 this evening, with Beauvais and Krakow.

Ghost-town.


User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 23, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4947 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 12):
Quoting EI564 (Reply 9):
Maybe SAS too?

Think that SAS has self check-in kiosks in DUB.

Yes SAS have 2 SSCI machines in DUB, which unlike EI's ones they print out baggage tags for you.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 20):
I THINK (from previous posts) that the reason EI was not likely to expand FastPass byond the current airports was becasue of campatability issues with "Departure Control System".

BFS will be the next place to get them, but not yet.

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 20):
if my Mac can run windows in parallel to OS X, then surely it would be possible to have more than one DCS on each machiene?

It's not really that simple unfortunately. But quite possibly this will happen in the future, all they need is the airlines to come up with a standard SSCI between them.



John Hancock
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12463 posts, RR: 37
Reply 24, posted (6 years 10 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4944 times:

Quoting TheDiplomat (Reply 22):
I notice that SNN airport had two passenger departures after 5.30 this evening, with Beauvais and Krakow.

Yes, but there will probably be more once FR brings in the new LGW and STN flights it has promised, once EI quits the LHR-SNN route. I was in SNN last weekend and it certainly was busy; my 738 flight to LGW had 185 pax (overhead cabin crew count), which is very respectable - that's a route that could certainly stand another service.

Anyone know how FR is doing on DUB route (i.e. from SNN!)


25 Post contains links and images Irish251 : For those who like to be aware of such things, FedEx has this week taken over from Air Contractors the nightly DUB-STN-CDG-STN-DUB rotation with one o
26 BrianDromey : Haha, it never is! It took about 40 years for apple to do it! Correct me if Im wrong here, but airports that use a common system for check-in (I know
27 Kaitak : Air Contractors had an A300 - often to be seen around the back of the airport. Good to see FedEx operate this flight, but wondering if it will now op
28 OA260 : Will they have them in place by 10th December??? Will I be able to check in online ??? Yes they do I used them and they were great. By passed the cat
29 Post contains links Irish251 : This is an intra-Europe operation only. FedEx already have a number of A300s and A310s operating in Europe centred, I think, on the CDG hub and this
30 AC747 : So, for Summer '08 we have at DUB (so far) : S7 to Moscow WOW to Plymouth. Possible EK to Dubai. TS to Montreal (and Toronto) GSM to Calgary/Vancouver
31 OA260 : LH to TXL and STR BT to OTP MUC with LH will be coming online but probably not until Winter 2008 by the looks of things.
32 Post contains images Bx737 : Remember though you heard it here first in either 46/07 or 45/07    Regarding Air Contractors, first of all the fleet list on the link above is ver
33 Post contains links Kaitak : I think the Air Asia route will be to KUL and from later next year or 2009; BKK/PVG, if it happens, is most likely by EI and again, EI will need to t
34 Smokeyrosco : really? I though they couldn't use N registered aircraft intra-europe? or was the dude from UPS filling me with bull, he said thats why they had to u
35 Smokeyrosco : EDIT: At least for LHR and AMS
36 EI787 : If you look at the web check-in on ei.com, BFS is already an option to click on the From and To fields on the webpage. So I guess it's pretty much ce
37 Post contains images OA260 : Great . As alert as ever , thanks Just over 4 weeks and I will know for sure.
38 Post contains links and images Irish251 : Well, UPS have also been operating a few A300s in Europe for a while, though perhaps on someone else's AOC, e.g. Star Air, which they also did with 7
39 Post contains images Smokeyrosco : Yes but was that to/from the US? The UPS flights that came to Ireland (CGN-DUB-SNN-DUB-CGN) used to be opperated by Channel Express but then they dro
40 B747forever : That is really cool. Great that you liked SAS self check-in kiosk. And what would be next US route?? Think that we cab see EI soon expand into Asia i
41 Tonymctigue : That would make sense but we all know FR don't share their toys with anyone. This is what I always do but as you say, our brief french grind a few we
42 Shamrock350 : The unwrap Europe advert: It's like it, especially the shamrock.
43 Bx737 : Didn't Channel Express use US registered aircraft in Europe including the ill fated Electra that decided it would be a good idea to land and take off
44 BrianDromey : It seems lik a lot of capacity. Surely a daily A330 operation would make more sense, given the size of the market (perhaps partly mitigated my an RE
45 Smokeyrosco : I don't know, but maybe because they where/ are (am I right in saying they have no more A300's?) based in Europe they could lease in American aircraf
46 Smokeyrosco : JetGreen
47 BrianDromey : I guess it would depend on traffic rights on thr route in question. I know DL, PA, UA and TW all operated prety substantial intra european networks f
48 Mccormk : Shamrock. The reason why UPS and Fedex couldn't use N reg aircraft was that they didnt have fifth of freedom rights in the EU as they do a hub and spo
49 Post contains links Smokeyrosco : Quoting Mccormk (Reply 48): they didnt Cool so by what your saying I assume they do now? or will have? EDIT: The reason I'm so interested is because I
50 Smokeyrosco : Also I was just looking at FR's route map, one thing I love doing while flying Delta (or any carrier, American carrier in particular) is looking at th
51 Post contains links Shamrock350 : Aer Lingus October numbers: http://www.aerlingus.com/Corporate/ir_traffic_oct2007.pdf Load Factor Short-haul - 75.6% Long-haul - 74.9 Passengers (thou
52 Smokeyrosco : Didn't someone suggest that this might happen? Makes sense! I think we knew about the aircraft though... I know there's a bit of a muddle about them
53 Post contains images Shamrock604 : In this case, I would expect an Emirates announcement immenintly......
54 EI787 : Here's the press release from EI: aerlingus.com
55 Bx737 : In May we flew with Iberworld on flights from DUB-REU with Falcon. My folks flew from DUB-FUE with First Choice 757 on their holiday last month. How
56 Tonymctigue : No surprises there. It is nice to see that SNN was mentioned but at the same time, none of us expect EI to cut back on SNN services this side of the
57 B747forever : Wow, the load factors are really really good. Hope it will continue like this.
58 BrianDromey : Whaaat? Emerging markets? Is the man having a laugh? IBZ and JER have been operated for years by charter operators, and other scheduled airlines. New
59 Shamrock350 : Oct. 2006 Short-haul - 73.8% Long-haul - 77.3% Oct. 2007 Short-haul - 75.6% (1.8% increase on Oct. 2006) Long-haul - 74.9% (-2.4 from Oct. 2006) Sep.
60 B747forever : So the long-haul loads has decreased from last year. Wonder why?? But the short-haul has increased. That is really good.
61 Post contains links EISHN : Here's another interior picture of MSN 054 (AKA, used to be EI-SHN). http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6100411&nseq=14
62 Post contains links Kaitak : Although the load factor has gone down, the traffic on long haul routes is up 25%. Ryanair - or its shy, retiring CEO - has said that it is going to t
63 Post contains links Bramble : The thinking and planning bit is where I see problems. I have been told that our current A/C are marginal for those destinations. EI would have to em
64 Smokeyrosco : Has AA set it's schedule for it's longhaul fleet yet? I'm wondering if they would add another destination from DUB next summer although I'm sure they
65 B747forever : Really great map. So EI will not be able to operate to BKK non-stop without any weight restriction until they get the A350s. The same goes for CPT. T
66 AC747 : Thanks for the info OA260. Appreciate it. Just wondering about Bucharest... I remember a few years back, RO tried their hand on this route with a cou
67 EI350 : Speaking of defunct airlines, I was wondering if there was ever an airline called "Translift"? I think I flew with them on a charter flight to Menorca
68 Irish251 : No, UPS's own aircraft have operated and still do (A300s) operate within Europe. Before the Maersk/Star Air 767s there were a few UPS 757s around, so
69 OA260 : I think the big difference this time is that Romania is in the EU and thus its alot easier for them to travel. When Tarom operated the flights it was
70 Kaitak : No, there certainly was, back in the early 1990s; I recall that they used DC8s on the DUB-SNN-LAX route (stopping at MSP or various other places) ...
71 AC747 : Translift flew DC8s on charters but also ran a service from Ireland to LAX, stopping off in Winnipeg (or Winterpeg, as it's called here)! They then r
72 Tonymctigue : You frequently see UPS 727's parked outside the Air Atlanta hanger in SNN for maintainance.
73 Post contains links and images Irish251 : If you use the search function of the photo database on this site you will find photos of Translift and pretty-well any other operator you might have
74 B747forever : hmm. You are right. If EK start to serve DUB they will go for larger a/cs and expand the frequency. Then it will be really hard for EI to begin that
75 Sawtooth : BBC Watchdog had a piece on FlyGlobespan this evening. It focused on two passengers problems, one woman flying from Gatwick - Vancouver who had been d
76 Smokeyrosco : I actually offloaded a UPS 747 in DUB a few years back I hope not, he was very high up and was over to monitor the change over to Star Air UPS moved
77 Irish251 : Channel Express disposed of all of their A300s and are now a 737-only operator, operating as Jet2 for the most part. Tony, unfortunately that contract
78 Smokeyrosco : Yes I realise that, my point is that they didn't dispose of any aircraft until right after UPS switched to the Star Air. Also Jet2 also operates 757'
79 EI350 : Thanks alot for the info Kaitak. I've been trying to find what aircraft they operated as I'm updating my flight memory. I agree. I think EI are being
80 Bramble : Anyone spot the 4 Gulf Traveller A/C beside the hangers in DUB? Cannot get a good look at them. The tails look like they are B767s. Also there is a B7
81 Post contains links and images EI787 : Yes, it's a Qatar Amiri Flight 747SP: View Large View MediumPhoto © Knut Raddatz
82 BrianDromey : Sorry, I should have been clearer, I ment ORK-JER. I dont mean to be harsh to EI, and all growth is good, but we have to be cirtical of EI too, they
83 Bramble : Now that is a quick response! Thabks for that.
84 OA260 : That has been there for a while or has it gone and come back again?? It was deffo there the October Bank holiday as I saw it along with those GF 767'
85 EI787 : No probs! Yes, it's been there for a while alright. The picture in my post is from Oct. 24th so it's been here since then at least - I can only presu
86 EISHN : When my Dad worked for TEAM Aer Lingus/ FLS, he took my brother and I down to the hangars a few times on weekends. Got to have a wander around a Virg
87 Irish251 : Those four Gulf Traveller 767s at Dublin are here to have significant corrosion attended to but are not likely, I understand, to rejoin that carrier's
88 OA260 : Yeah it must look amazing. I have seen it at LHR parked by the BA hangers years ago. How old is that A/C and was it new to the current owner???
89 EI350 : Do you think we'll ever see U2 in DUB? I flew U2 a couple of years back and found them to be on a par with EI. Very friendly crew and very profession
90 EISHN : I would highly doubt they would ever return. Saint Michael O'Leary chased them off the island from ORK, SNN, and NOC. I doubt they would try going at
91 Shamrock350 : I like U2 for a few reasons the main one being their crew who I find are always very friendly. However if Ryanair are cheaper on the same route, that'
92 OA260 : Do U2 pre assign seats at check in?? I have never been on them .
93 EI350 : No it's a free for all! But it's £5 for priority boarding.
94 Shamrock604 : Personally, I odnt think they were ever serious about Dubai.. I think it was just a way of utilising some capacity until open skies, and they adopted
95 OA260 : Oh ok . I dont like that idea. I like my seat number. At least with Flybe they are low cost and you can still get the frills and pay for what you wan
96 BrianDromey : I was thinking more of the staff numbers Vs PAX carried. I think U2 are about the level EI should be aiming for. Jeasus lad, you must be 4'0"! The U2
97 Post contains images OA260 : The worst I was ever on was a Nouvelle Air flight from DUB-MIR and my knees were crushed against then seat in front and im not that tall !!! Flight f
98 EI564 : " target=_blank>http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m...s.jpg Thats a great map alright. Never knew how marginal CPT and BKK (2 of the 3 most attractiv
99 Smokeyrosco : It's used to pop in and out all the time when I worked at the airport, you'd see it every 2 or 3 months. I never found out why.
100 Post contains links Irish251 : Originally operated by Pan Am and then United. You can find more precise information by using the "search" function of the photo database on this web
101 Tonymctigue : That is a pity. I think the 727 is a beautiful AC & by god are they loud.
102 Toulouse : While this may be true for the Irish market, as they don't serve the Republic, I don't for one second, and no offenc EISHN, understand why you think
103 AC747 : FR seem to be taking ownership of SNN even more with the new routes to Luton, Birmingham, Leeds/Bradford, Kaunas, Riga, Fuerteventura, Tenerife and DU
104 Post contains links Oly720man : New FR B737-8 on the way... due DUB around 1pm http://flightaware.com/live/flight/RYR800M
105 BrianDromey : Maybe it was becasue we sat in the rearmost row of the A319 that the legroom was so tight, and the people in front reclined all the way beck, while w
106 OA260 : How long normally does it take for the DAA to issue a license for a new route to commence???
107 AC747 : ...or for the DUB website to add routes to it's map! I see they still don't have SFO listed.
108 Post contains images Shamrock350 : Exactly! If you want the cheapest fare then you pack less, eat before you fly and get your seat at check-in like the good old days! This is where I l
109 B747forever : IS it a really big demand on travel to PEK from DUB???
110 AC747 : I noticed that POLET are in the schedules for the return of their 'invisible flights' to Moscow. YQ766 1315/2045 DUB-DME. Mo/We/Fr Yak42/142 eqp. Eff.
111 OA260 : Apparantly EK have not applied to the DAA for any license yet and Im wondering if they did decide to run a route how long would it take?? Some people
112 Sawtooth : Some news from beyond the pale: WW are launching NOC - GLA 3 weekly - Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday Ryanairs NOC - BRS service started today, 4 weekly
113 Rineanna : It's great to see this service return; I remember when it was pulled a few years ago. It's also good to see WW expanding in Ireland from the regional
114 B747forever : I really doubt that EK will wait so long. Think that we can see them start to serve DUB in the middle of 2008.
115 Post contains links Shamrock350 : Ryanair aim for no-cost flights but other charges will rise significantly http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...+will+incur+other+costs/article.do Ry
116 B747forever : I really dont like FRs new idea. Wow, the check-in will be really expensive.
117 AC747 : I'm not active in the aviation industry in any way nor do I have any experience in the travel industry (except as a passenger). So, forgive me if thi
118 Danny : A bit OT but is any of you guys a qualified accountant who would be interesting in job in aviation?
119 Post contains images B747forever : Do you try to recruit someone??? I am interesting
120 Shamrock350 : More free flights would be great and I suppose more people checking in online would be good for airport ques and FR staff numbers. However I hope the
121 B747forever : That is what I am afraid of. They can charge really much for food,drinks,baggage, check-in and you name it.
122 EISHN : I heard from some one, that aparentley the Captain of their EI flight said that taking pictures in flight is an offence. What's up with that?
123 B747forever : Really strange. Did he explain why he said so???
124 Kaitak : I think, strictly speaking, it is illegal to take photos of a plane in Ireland; it's one of those old laws from the 30s or 40s, that has never been re
125 B747forever : Didn't know that Ireland had a law like this. Really strange.
126 EISHN : No they didn't. Hmm, thanks Kaitak. I find it a little strange that people would still try and enforce it now. I've only had problems once with takin
127 B747forever : hmmm. But it has to be due to that law.
128 OA260 : Yep its a crazy Irish Aer Lingus fantasy!!! I was also told this by a Granny crew member once but I ignored them when they went away and I took pictu
129 Kaitak : Sorry I should have clarified; the law (according to my understanding) relates to taking photos from aircraft, not OF aircraft. The issue at the EI h
130 EISHN : Ah, thanks for clearing that. I thought that also, but of course ignored it (as you do!). And it was only one guy who mentioned it, eveyone else coul
131 Kaitak : I think we should probably not use the word "ignore" in relation to the law; we're just "reinterpreting" it. What really bugs me is that, sometimes,
132 Shamrock604 : And i'm sure (or at least I hope) the DAA would pull out all the stops for someone like EK....
133 Toulouse : Just need a bit of advice from those of you familiar with LGW (as I haven't been through there in years). Now don't give out to me OA260, I know it's
134 Shamrock604 : It will depend on what time you are there Toulouse, the south Terminal is that kind of place. I would say chances are 50/50.. I know that is kind of
135 Bramble : There are coming in hot and fast recently. EI do not let pax take pics inflight if they are of the crew,the equipment or the galleys. We do not want
136 Post contains images EI350 : I'm actually 6 foot!!! Well that was about 2 years ago, but definitely wasn't 4 foot back then lol Hope they improve the lounge...
137 Post contains links Penpusher : Bramble As an aside does anyone knew a site that I can enter an A/C reg to find out details of it. Google gets me G- and N- reg databases. I spotted a
138 F1eddie : Apparently Delta caused consternation to lots of travellers. RTEs Joe Duffys show switch board went mad once they started talking bout them. It all st
139 Kaitak : Based on what you've said, I think you're chances are OK; once off the plane, leg it out through arrivals and make STRAIGHT for the security queue; I
140 EI350 : This is so true. In August my grandfather was over in Arizona and flew to TUS via ATL. On arrival into DUB he discovered two of his bags were lost. W
141 Toulouse : Thanks Shamrock604. Fingers crossed. Have booked prority boarding with EZY to grab the first row. So I take it there is no way of staying airside -tr
142 Kaitak : Unfortunately, not - as far as I am aware. As I say, I'll be doing the same thing next week (although I will have a bag), and I'll just be going out
143 BestWestern : Joe Duffy - he who never makes a mountain out of a molehill. 2 people have an issue, and all hell breaks loose. Joe is whats worst about Ireland - th
144 BrianDromey : He should be able to use this on skyTeam partners too, specifically AF, but he might have to book the flight through DL and use the DL code as oppose
145 Toulouse : I'd say you're right. Just remembered UK is non-Schengen, which I imagine will have something to do with it. I'm just used to transiting within the S
146 Bramble : " target=_blank>www.airframes.org Thanks for that. Looked at my photo,found out its actually P4-VNL. A319 operated by Global Jet Luxembourg. A biz jet
147 B747forever : That is really odd. Is ti other carriers that dont let taking any pics of the crew, the equipment or the galleys?? First time I hear that they just b
148 EI350 : I understand why Aer Lingus crew don't want photos taken of them without their permission. I think it's more out of respect than anything. I don't rea
149 B747forever : That can I also understand. But after what I have understand you cant even take pics if you ask. Do I have right??
150 Shamrock350 : I've seen many requests on youtube for that, especially for the recorded one on long-haul flights. There's quite a few Aer Lingus bebo pages with pho
151 Post contains links BestWestern : When will CityJet decide on Shannon? We were told 'within 4 weeks' which means next week... http://www.lloyds.com/CmsPhoenix/DowJonesArticle.aspx?id=3
152 BestWestern : We can all moan and groan about how badly EI is run, how the gvt have done nothing, but I stubled upon an old article this evening from the Sunday Tim
153 Irish251 : Though the UPS ones were all re-engined with RR Tays (a la the Fokker 70 & 100) so they were actually pretty quiet!
154 OA260 : Haha well LGW is not bad for spotting and there are plenty of seats to sleep on for mis connected passengers LOL.... Hmm well there is a major court
155 Bramble : If you ask the crew for a photo there is nothing to stop them letting you. The guidelines are to prevent pax taking pics of crew and/or aircraft WITH
156 Shamrock350 : Aer Lingus has come a long way over the years. I remember being in Ireland for Halloween and Christmas in 2001, the only airline I really ever knew wa
157 BestWestern : To bring EI to where it is, a lot of tough decisions have been made, but they were made for the right reasons in the end. We now have a national carr
158 EISHN : I have a few pics of the A330 one. They're not great though. What I mean is, if you compare the U2 network map, to EI's, there's a substantial differ
159 Post contains images F1eddie : This i agree with but he did have an enormus amount of calls to get through and i have never heard this amount of calls for one subject. At leaast it
160 Post contains links BestWestern : I see that FR are already threatening to pull out of BHD - didnt take them long to have an arguement! Meanwhile, Ryanair deputy chief executive Michae
161 Post contains images OA260 : I think I just made up my mind to oppose the runway extension !!!
162 BestWestern : I've had four trans atlantic flights with DL this year - all punctual, excellent crew, good food, bags arrived. But then again, the 99% of satisfied
163 Post contains images BestWestern : We all should, just to wind up he with an '@' in his name...
164 F1eddie : Actually back in 2001 i was interested in aircraft and the likes but i certainly did not know all of the destinations of EI and other airlines. What w
165 Post contains links Shamrock350 : Here's another article from reply 115 http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/business/article3138558.ece I think we all know FR were not going to move int
166 F1eddie : Funny!!! Yeah well you will never beat a brilliant presenter like Gay Byrne. I actually never heard him on the radio but im sure he was great. Just r
167 EI564 : I suppose it depends on how well the DAA gets on with EY. It would have to raise an eyebrow in EY if the daa looks too eager. I'm sure Dublin Airport
168 BrianDromey : I think it is fair that people in the organisation be given first crack of any new position, indeed that is how it is done in a lot of companies and
169 TravelGuy : I believe that it would be a fair statement to make that the EI route structure specifically on the T/A side of things has *over EI's long term histo
170 Smokeyrosco : Some people are wrong, if that was the case some people would already be aware of flights that are due to "take off" almost a year in advance. how lo
171 Smokeyrosco : wow... *blinks*
172 Tonymctigue : And CentralWings of course. Whenever we talk about SH out of SNN, we always seem to forget about CentralWings, who have a decent sized operation from
173 Post contains links OA260 : My Dad just got back from the USA and he said next time its Delta. They were the only ones that helped him out during the AF strike. I was on to them
174 Toulouse : Hi there, Sorry just one more question about my "crazy" 60 minute connection at LGW South on Sunday morning which I'm starting to stress about already
175 Bx737 : At that time it was a charter flight and was thus not able to pick up pax in the US, this time it is a scheduled service so is able to pick up pax in
176 EIDAA : Morning all, back from a few days away from A.net and ye have already gone through two threads! From the last one... Bramble it looks like you were on
177 OA260 : Yep the stupid 1 bag rule !!! I had two pieces and then put them in a bin liner and when I got passed security I got rid of it !!!!!
178 COEI2007 : Yeah, DL oversells its flights by a lot. Last year they were constantly looking for lots of volunteers to come off flights and go with other airlines
179 BrianDromey : Yes, this is the case, apparently due to concrns that if more than one bag were allowed the queues would get completely out of hand. So its only ONE
180 OA260 : All airlines over sell. I dont think Delta is any worse or any better than the rest. I have been on many UA flights when they have been asking for vo
181 Dstc47 : LGW (S) - Possible but very tight, all depends on other traffic around the time. Better than LHR for a transit but that is not saying very much is it?
182 Rineanna : The Evergreen 747 that frequents SNN of late just passed over my house, low enough to see the titles on the side! Fantastic stuff, but, boy, were thos
183 OA260 : Dont suppose you saw the LH plane that made an emergency landing in SNN yesterday ??? It was operating MUC-JFK. It was on the ground for around an ho
184 Rineanna : No, I live a good three quarters of an hour from SNN which is why I was amazed the 747 was so low already.
185 OA260 : That is weird. 45mins to touchdown !! Any idea why it was so low ?? Is this a normal flight path into SNN???
186 Post contains images Rineanna : Very rarely is this flight path ever used. I have seen a couple of other flights pass over my house, but they never seemed as low. I could get used t
187 Bramble : BWI was a strange destination. As crew we hated it,it was never full but he pax had a very strange demographic. At the time everyone was asking why w
188 B747forever : Wow, can airlines really overbook like this??? Isnt it any law about maximum overbooking??? Really strange.
189 Smokeyrosco : I agree, I can kinda see the point but it was a little... nah a lot much. I suppose I should mention it was only Airport Police, I'm not sure if he w
190 OA260 : What airline was it on ????
191 BrianDromey : Nope, there is no rule on overbooking, sadly. Statistically/historically a number of passengers will not show up, the airline is only trying to maxim
192 Smokeyrosco : Not sure I want to give that information.
193 B747forever : That is really strange. So a airline can overbook the flight how much they want. That is really bad.
194 OA260 : Yep when I worked for an airline we used to do it but only maybe 20-25 seats per flight. It actually never got bad as there were always people changi
195 Toulouse : Thanks to all of you who have given me advice on my "tight" LGW connection. I'm dreading it, usually look forward to travelling, and usually give myse
196 B747forever : That is a normal overbooking. But some carriers just goes crazy with this about overbooking.
197 Post contains links OA260 : For anyone wanting a J class special on LX check out the link below :::: http://booking.swiss.com/web/bba.htm?Market=IE&group=IEEU Athens from EUR 278
198 B747forever : Why dont they have any good fares on flights to/from ARN???
199 OA260 : LOL... I dont know but you could fly ARN-DUB then connect to LX !!!!
200 B747forever : I can do that. But is is a little bit waste of cash to do that.
201 OA260 : True but a good experience and a fab TR !!!
202 B747forever : That is right. A really good experience with a good TR afterwards.
203 Ei2ksea : Anyone know what aircraft is currently doing the 137 to Boston (in flight now) ?
204 OA260 : DAA
205 B747forever : How did you get that info???
206 BrianDromey : Im doing that actually, MAN-DUB-MAN with FR, and then to ATH with LX, in J. I cant wait actually. Hopefuly I will have a camera by then and I will be
207 Post contains images B747forever : That can you actually do. A really smart idea. £14 is not so much when you pay for a J seat. Hope you will have a camera. Looking forward for a grea
208 Post contains links Kaitak : Here's a pretty appalling trip report re FR and operations in Belfast. They had one check in for three flights and pax were told they were late, even
209 Post contains images OA260 : You can do online check in and print off your boarding card then go thru fast track also. If the worst comes to the worst I will get the lovely girls
210 B747forever : Wow, what a story. Just amazing how FR can be so cruel. Just shocking me.
211 Shamrock604 : Great to see FR yet again getting the public happily on side!!!
212 EIBoston : what is that website Brian?
213 OA260 : Its disgusting and BHD is going to be ruined by FR !!! It was a nice airport to fly through . Can you imagine trying to get through security now !! I
214 B747forever : Isnt the old Terminal closed for ever?? Can they just open it when they want??
215 EI2KSEA : Legend, thanks OA260 (and Brian!).[Edited 2007-11-09 10:41:24]
216 COEI2007 : I took my 2nd FR flight on Monday, from DUB-TFS. I hadnt flown FR in about 8 years, and I was expecting the worst!!! On the positive side, the crew we
217 B747forever : That is really good, and I think it is really bad without any assigned seating because all passengers rush into the a/c like crazy monkeys to just ge
218 COEI2007 : I wouldnt have said crazy monkeys....my description is far worse!!!! haha! Assigned seating is great!
219 Post contains images B747forever : Lets hear it
220 OA260 : Well it would be no worse than Dublins pre fab A gates . I saw some Biz jets parked outside it last time but I dont think the terminal is actually op
221 Post contains links BrianDromey : Its: http://www.acarsd.org/acars_search.html You ned to be careful though, becasue flight numbers are not always the same as call signs, which ACARS
222 EIBoston : Thanks Brian!
223 BestWestern : Any news on how FR is doing on DUB SNN?
224 Post contains images B747forever : Okey, Ì see. That is true. A great description by me.
225 OA260 : I just saw the new SQ A380 Advert on CNN. I was wondering when they would have a TV ad. Hope it will come to other channels also. Its very good. The s
226 Post contains images B747forever :
227 Shamrock350 : The signature look for SQ, they never have their hair down when we see them but always in the adverts. I wonder if SQ will alter the advert at LHR, I
228 OA260 : LOL...when I just saw that icon I thought it was ''vomit'' LOL..... I was looking to see if they posted on Youtube but not yet. I did find this thoug
229 EI350 : Hi all, I was just wondering, I'm trying to post my first Trip Report and whenever I click "Preview Post" just a blank screen comes up. Has anyone els
230 B747forever : Wow, amazing quiet. Didn't know it was so quiet. That happens to me too when I tried to start a thread in civil aviation.
231 Post contains images Shamrock350 : I saw that the other day and it really does show how quiet it is. Everything is fine for me. Does your TR include photos, what image host are you usi
232 B747forever : It has to be a A.net bug. Because I cant start a new thread in the civil aviation forum.
233 OA260 : Yes I tried to reply to a post earlier and I got a blank white screen. I would copy and paste your TR in a word document and save it so its not lost.
234 Shamrock350 : That's typical but at least it isnt as bad as a few weeks ago when nobody could log on or even go on the forums. It should be sorted out soon if it's
235 COEI2007 : That reminds me that when I flew with FR to TFS, we went from the new D pier. Its very nice. Its clean and airy, and the whole airport should look th
236 B747forever : Remember that horrible days. Was going crazy on A.net.
237 Shamrock350 : I will keep an eye out, I'm always on Youtube anyway.
238 B747forever : What are you doing in YouTube??? Doesn't it getting boring???
239 Shamrock350 : Yep I need my fix of Irish aviation news and if A.net plays up I get stressed lol
240 OA260 : How can it be boring??? Its got thousands of videos . Lots of Airline material with old Adverts and new ones. Videos of airports around the world and
241 B747forever : Yeah, it has thousands of videos, but all is not good. But it has many good videos. Today I watched in you tube the incident with the BA 9 on 742 fro
242 EI350 : Thank you all for your help once again. I finally got it posted "DUB to UND Part 1 (With Pics) I can't get the link to work. Edited: to delete link[Ed
243 B747forever : Has already read it. Really good TR.
244 OA260 : I never used to use it and it was actually Shamrock350 that pointed me in the direction of it but if I want to find something I search in Youtube for
245 Shamrock350 : As OA260 says there's loads of videos on there, I watch anything. I've recently started watching old episodes of British soap EastEnders and then the
246 OA260 : Hey I was wondering where Pe@rson was as its been pretty peaceful lately I just saw this ::: Username: Pe@rson This user is temporarily banned due to
247 Kaitak : Thread 49 has now been started; sorry, can't post the link to it.
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