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Singapore Airlines Will Operate From SIN T2 & T3  
User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4771 times:

Singapore Airlines to Operate from Changi Airport Terminal 2 and 3.Singapore Airlines will be extending its operations at Changi Airport to the new Terminal 3, in addition to Terminal 2, from 9 January 2008.

Customers departing from Changi Airport will check-in at Terminal 2 or 3 for their flights, depending on their destination. Passengers departing Singapore for the UK will leave from Terminal 3.
Flights may arrive at either Terminal 2 or 3, and information will be available on the arrival terminal at least 2 hours prior to the estimated arrival time.

Customers will check-in for their flights based on their destination, as listed
below:

FROM TERMINAL 2: Bangladesh, Brunei, Egypt, India, Indonesia, Malaysia, Maldives, Pakistan, Philippines, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Africa, Sri Lanka, Thailand, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, Vietnam, SILKAIR - All flights.

FROM TERMINAL 3: Australia, Canada, China, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Hong Kong, Italy, Japan (NB Flights SQ 632 bound for Bangkok-Tokyo, and SQ 626 bound for Bangkok-Osaka will depart from Terminal 2), Korea, New Zealand, The Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, Taiwan, United Kingdom, USA.

http://travelvideo.tv/news/more.php?id=12897_0_1_0_M27

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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4742 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4605 times:

It really makes me wonder why didn't they just combine the whole operations in T3 rather that break them up like that??


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User currently offlineSQ_EK_freak From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2000, 1633 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 4592 times:

Seems very tedious to me - like Ryanair!!! said, why not combine operations!?


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User currently offlineSQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1792 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4552 times:

Can you imagine what T2 will become if SQ moved its entire operations to T3? You might even be able to hear crickets chirping in the terminal during non-peak hours in the afternoon!!


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User currently offlineSQA350 From Thailand, joined Apr 2007, 180 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4530 times:

I can imagine that the trains connecting T2 and T3 will always be packed with transiting passengers. Doesn't sound very convenient to me.


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User currently offlineRyanair!!! From Australia, joined Mar 2002, 4742 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4518 times:

Quoting SQ772 (Reply 3):
Can you imagine what T2 will become if SQ moved its entire operations to T3? You might even be able to hear crickets chirping in the terminal during non-peak hours in the afternoon!!

So to prevent this from happening....let's make is confusing for greeters to pick up their loved ones from the airport. T3? No... T2...eh wait a min, I swore it was T3...?

For sure it will be a ghost town after SQ leaves T2. BUT this where CAAS comes in to attract other airlines to fly to Singapore. I mean T2 has other airlines operating there right? BI, PR, MH, LH...err... Ok not quite many. But still, the reason for T3 to be built is to cater to an increase in traffic, not spread SQ's glory all over the place. Somehow I do not like this idea one bit of spreading the ops like that. I wonder what will happen to their tech/flight crew ops, will it remain in T2 basement?



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User currently offlineSQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1792 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4489 times:

I see your point. Ideally, CAAS should try to even out the usage of the 3 terminals by either attracting more airlines to operate to Singapore, or by shifting some of those T1 airlines to T2. However, the second option would be challenging unless CAAS makes it mandatory for selected airlines to shift, and offering some form of short-term rental rebate to compensate them for the inconvenience.

Are there any similar examples of split terminal operations by a major carrier out there? How do these airlines deal with that? I know most carriers have international and domestic operations in different terminals, but they don't have the same arrival issues as what SQ meeters and greeters will be facing.



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User currently offlineVctony From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4450 times:

I know that CO has operations split at EWR between Terminals A and C. Flights to Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Dallas, and Washington, D.C. depart out of Terminal A while all other flights depart out of Terminal C. United at ORD has mainline and some United Express flights in Terminal 1 while others are in Terminal 2 (also UA and UAX has fights in multiple terminals at LAX (T-6, T-7, T-8). DFW has operations split between several terminals at DFW. Of course, the Ultimate example of split terminal operations is BA at LHR where operations exist at T1, T2, T3, and T4. When the T5 opens, operations will still be split between T5 and T3. I believe that most of the other airlines deal with this by dedicating specific terminals to specific arriving and departing destinations, and I believe SQ would be wise to do the same.

[Edited 2007-11-06 22:05:35]

[Edited 2007-11-06 22:05:57]

User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4424 times:

Easy to remember:

Mostly weird countrys at Terminal 2

Mostly normal countrys at Termial 3

 Wink

Seriously, they should have done it by continent or had some sort of order to it. But oh well as long as Aussie uses the new terminal!

Or even put Tiger in T2, and pull down the budget terminal?



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21456 posts, RR: 60
Reply 9, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4416 times:

Quoting USADreamliner (Thread starter):
Customers will check-in for their flights based on their destination, as listed

This kind of thing is always confusing to passengers and family of passengers.

CO operations at EWR are a cakewalk compared to the split they are looking at here. It's more like CO at IAH, especially for cities that are served mainline on some flights, regional on others.



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User currently offlineJlb From Denmark, joined Nov 1999, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4306 times:

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 8):
Mostly weird countrys at Terminal 2

Mostly normal countrys at Termial 3

Seriously, they should have done it by continent or had some sort of order to it. But oh well as long as Aussie uses the new terminal!

Without having checked, I'll almost swear that that divison of countries is aligned with GDP per capita. So poor countries from terminal 2 and richer ones from terminal 3. Funny idea, to say the least, but it is a system!


User currently offlinePieinthesky From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 392 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4204 times:

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 1):
It really makes me wonder why didn't they just combine the whole operations in T3 rather that break them up like that??

Err, maybe the fact that T3 is nowhere near big enough to handle all SQ's flights has just a little to do with the decision.


User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1287 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4192 times:

Not going to be that convenient at all. Especially for transit. I mean are accustomed to transit that is true, but if it's a single terminal operation, it's all the more comfortable and I think that should be a criteria for an airline like SQ.

Quoting Jlb (Reply 10):
Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 8):
Mostly weird countrys at Terminal 2

Mostly normal countrys at Termial 3

Seriously, they should have done it by continent or had some sort of order to it. But oh well as long as Aussie uses the new terminal!

Without having checked, I'll almost swear that that divison of countries is aligned with GDP per capita. So poor countries from terminal 2 and richer ones from terminal 3. Funny idea, to say the least, but it is a system!

Get a life you people!



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User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1797 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4182 times:

Quoting USADreamliner (Thread starter):
FROM TERMINAL 3: Australia, Canada, China, Denmark, France, Germany, Greece, Hong Kong, Italy, Japan (NB Flights SQ 632 bound for Bangkok-Tokyo, and SQ 626 bound for Bangkok-Osaka will depart from Terminal 2), Korea, New Zealand, The Netherlands, Spain, Switzerland, Taiwan, United Kingdom, USA.



Quoting Jlb (Reply 10):
Without having checked, I'll almost swear that that divison of countries is aligned with GDP per capita. So poor countries from terminal 2 and richer ones from terminal 3. Funny idea, to say the least, but it is a system!

Just a slight addition; QR will operate from Termnal Three...



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User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4175 times:

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 8):
Easy to remember:

Mostly weird countrys at Terminal 2

Mostly normal countrys at Termial 3

Why did you choose such offensive words? Weird? Normal? So, do you think those countries are abnormal? I am from one of those countries and I spell better than you!


User currently offlineSQ772 From Singapore, joined Nov 2001, 1792 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4163 times:

Quoting Vctony (Reply 7):
When the T5 opens, operations will still be split between T5 and T3. I believe that most of the other airlines deal with this by dedicating specific terminals to specific arriving and departing destinations, and I believe SQ would be wise to do the same.

This would be ideal, but not exactly practical for SQ in their bid to ensure optimal aircraft utilisation. How does BA do it? Do they have dedicated aircrafts used only for T1 or T5 operations?

[Edited 2007-11-07 03:42:33]


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User currently offlinePilotdude09 From Australia, joined May 2005, 1777 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4159 times:

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 14):
Why did you choose such offensive words? Weird? Normal? So, do you think those countries are abnormal?

Geez some people need to lighten up

Indonesia isnt normal, corrupt government, corrupt legal system, no regard for air safety, third world need i go on....

Quoting Afterburner (Reply 14):
I am from one of those countries and I spell better than you!

Your point exactly?

i dont care how i spell or if it is grammatically correct on an internet message board

[Edited 2007-11-07 03:27:57]


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User currently offlineAfterburner From Indonesia, joined Jun 2005, 1209 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 4134 times:

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 16):
Your point exactly?

i dont care how i spell or if it is grammatically correct on an internet message board

My point is normal people don't offend others.

And they should spell correctly!  Smile


User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4107 times:

This is absolutely ridiculous, and will be pure madness. Can you imagine what the signs on the road to the airport will look like when listing airlines? It will now list countries too (and how many people do you bet will go to the wrong terminal for the SQ SIN>BKK>KIX flight????!)...sometimes, for as great as SQ is and as much as I love the airline, they make some of the most bizarre decisions. I hope someone was smart enough to speak up in the meeting when they came up with this absolutely ridiculous divisional system and point out the inefficiencies and problems people are going to have -and- the amount of coaching and extra effort they will have to put in to limiting people going to the wrong terminals, etc.

I think the overall "grand" plan is that Terminal 1 will be redone and remodeled and eventually all SQ ops will be in Terminal 3 (which will be connected to T1 airside from what I understand). Gates will extend to Terminal 1 space, but all check-in will be at Terminal 3.

I wouldn't want to be a customer service agent having to deal with irate passengers all the time when they get dropped off at the wrong terminal. *sigh*

In this case it almost seems as though keeping all SQ flights in T2 makes better sense at this point...

Oh, and Changi always being one of the "best" airports in the world? Kiss that goodbye once this takes effect.......



SIN > CVG > BOS
User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1972 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4100 times:

I reckon Changi should have all of SQ at T3, Star at T2, and all others at T1. However, a few convos with fellow A.netter DocPepz revealed that this would not be the case. Our conclusion: Money talks. Hence you will see airlines like KE at T3 alongside SQ.

Anyway, this is very old news. What's next?  yawn 

Cheers
Coal



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User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4084 times:

Ok, just to add on to my post above, this is what I honestly think is the BEST situation and scenario that Changi Airport should do when T3 opens.

T3: All Singapore Airlines flights. Check in for all SQ flights at T-3, all gates at T-3 to be used by SQ and some of the gates in T1 once T1 is remodeled (whenever that is). You won't confuse the hell out of people by dividing check-in by country like they have done, and, you will at least be able to walk to all aircraft, etc. You also will be able to have everyone arrive centrally at T3 as well, thus, not confusing relatives and people picking up passengers.

T2: Keep all Silkair flights here, as well as all other T2 current occupants. Shift T1 Airlines down to T2, cover their moving expenses and don't change the rental so it doesn't cost the airlines a single dime whatsoever for the inconvenience.

T1: Gut it and remodel the whole thing from top to bottom and make it look gorgeous. The terminal looks old and dated anyway, especially the 80's deco style water fountain and entryway. Once it is done, allow SQ to use some of the gates on the western side of the terminal that connects with T3 airside. Attract new airlines to Singapore and put them here.

The other alternative if there are space issues is a completely new terminal and airport somewhere between the center runway and Changi Air Base east, extend terminal 3 southward with more gates on its own island concourse down near the threshold of runway 2L and the TPE.

Wow...look at that...fricking rocket science. Instead, they come up with some stupid split operations idea that will confuse the hell out of passengers  Yeah sure



SIN > CVG > BOS
User currently offlineCjbmibe From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4070 times:

Quoting Pilotdude09 (Reply 16):
third world need i go on

Actually places that have fewer facilities and generally lesser standard of living are called LEDC's - Less Economically Developed Countries. Its a western world term, as is MEDC - More Economically Developed Country, which describes the western world in comparison to many other countries.

And its all subjective, some people are happy to live without TV's etc, whereas many people in the west would consider them underdeveloped. Currently our "more" developed lifestyles are killing us, obesity and carbon emmissions - know as diseases of affluence.


On Topic though -
Bit odd for them to spread ops when it would maybe be easier to move the other operators in T2 to T3.



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User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13737 posts, RR: 19
Reply 22, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4008 times:

The reason why Singapore Airlines are not moving all their flights to Terminal 3, amongst other reasons, but the main reason is that CAAS still had food, beverage and duty free outlet leases in Terminal 2 to go. So if you move all T2 traffic to T3 then passengers would follow and no one would frequent these areas.

So CAAS thought it would be in their interests to keep SIA at Terminal 2 and 3.

Not great for Singapore Airlines but they don't own the terminal facilities I'm afraid. I'm not amused at CAAS.



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User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3982 times:

Quoting Singapore_Air (Reply 22):
The reason why Singapore Airlines are not moving all their flights to Terminal 3, amongst other reasons, but the main reason is that CAAS still had food, beverage and duty free outlet leases in Terminal 2 to go. So if you move all T2 traffic to T3 then passengers would follow and no one would frequent these areas.

So CAAS thought it would be in their interests to keep SIA at Terminal 2 and 3.

Not great for Singapore Airlines but they don't own the terminal facilities I'm afraid. I'm not amused at CAAS.


Neither am I. If that's the reason then that just makes this all the more ridiculous I think. CAAS without a doubt dropped the ball on this one I think...I can't wait till the complaint letters start pouring in and they realize just how absolutely crazy this new setup is and what a mistake they made.



SIN > CVG > BOS
User currently offlineFlying-b773 From Singapore, joined Apr 2001, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 8 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3947 times:

CAAS wants only $$$... I really applaude airport managements like NRT n CDG such that they really make the effort to move carriers to where they rightfully belong to. But for SIN, everything is just based on monetary value i guess? Do they care about alliances? I doubt so, look at then the mess of the carriers all around.. Its just pure mess...... Looking forward to see lotsa of people missing their flights...

regards,
North


25 USADreamliner : Your comment was offensive and insulting.
26 DLPMMM : Splitting operations between terminals is not that big of a deal, as long as there is easy and free transportation available between terminals. It doe
27 FlyTUITravel : Ignorant people like you are the sort that really get on my nerves! Thailand? Saudi Arabia? Brunei? Malaysia? Turkey? The United Arab Emirates?! Some
28 DLPMMM : Thailand, Malaysia, and Turkey I don't think would qualify for "Richest in the World" on a per capita basis. While UAE, Saudi Arabia, and Brunai woul
29 SQ452 : Well put North! Its been a few hours since i first commented and saw this post and I'm STILL fuming over their complete stupidity and utter disregard
30 Ikramerica : The breakdown is logical on the departure side: SQ to South Asia + Russia, Middle East, Africa in T2 SILKAIR in T2 SQ to North Asia + China, Europe, N
31 ZRH : Why such a fuss about SQ splitting their flights into two terminals. I am sure there are plenty of airlines which have the same operations at differen
32 MH001 : i agree with ZRH. its nothing strange. split terminal/split airport operations have always been there throughout the world. what IS strange is pilotdu
33 Afterburner : What about the flights to/from CGK that use A345? will they move the aircraft between the two terminals?
34 Singapore_Air : The point of the.... colourful policy of arriving at the terminal the aircraft departs from is to minimise towing times. So using the above example, i
35 Blrsea : Lots of people from India connect onwards to N America. How much time does it take to move between terminals? Is security check done again when you go
36 Qantas744ER : BTW it has also ben chosen by Singpores CAA that Qatar Airways, United and another carrier will operate from T3 along SQ. Leo[Edited 2007-11-07 11:39:
37 Singapore_Air : Singapore Airlines will be joined in Terminal 3 by future associate company, China Eastern Airlines and fellow Star Alliance Member, United Air Lines.
38 Ikramerica : Mainly because SQ never had this problem before, so it made Changi such a great place to transit and to O&D from. Now SQ will, as you say, be like "e
39 MilesDependent : How will one get from T3 to T2? Is there a train? Am looking forward to visiting the new T3 in March. Anyone have any good photo links?
40 Post contains links Singapore_Air : A virtual tour of Singapore Changi Airport can be found at : ChangiAirport.com/T3 A new SkyTrain links Terminal 2 and 3 for ease of connection for pas
41 LurveBus : I think only KUL has been trying to dethrone Changi. BKK and HKG have had more traffic than Changi for quite a while now. Of course, when it comes to
42 Post contains links Pieinthesky : http://www.sqtalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2578
43 BosWashSprStar : I'm surprised by that; I had always been under the impression that UA and SQ don't get along--and that UA wouldn't likely want to pay the premium rat
44 Post contains images SQ452 : Here's another thing that only added to my blood pressure yesterday regarding the new T3.... I hailed a cab here in Singapore that was available (gree
45 Singapore_Air : Ahhh I miss the days of the 'uncle' telling me to basically eff-off! I wish I had a T3 goodie bag :-P
46 Post contains images SQ452 : I was the one who basically told the 'uncle off haha... All I know is that they were giving out bags of rice + goodie bag (don't know what the goodie
47 SQ772 : Haha... the perennial problem with taxis in Singapore... always around, but never around when you badly need them. Which is why I have given up on pub
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