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QF Prepares For B787 Delay, Prepares A350 Order  
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 4161 posts, RR: 36
Posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 15169 times:

Summary:
- QF has placed staff in Seattle to monitor B787 progress
- has concerns about the delivery schedule
- could cope with the currently announced 6 months delay, everything above "not really pretty"
- in serious discussions with Airbus about large A350 XWB order
- Boeing not planning to firm specifications for next B787 in the next couple of years

All in all a very good read.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...qantasnov07,0,6637644.story?page=1


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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3387 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15111 times:

Very interesting - it looks like the XWBs would be in addition to the 787s not to replace them - the info about the 787-10 is very interesting - this almost guarentees Airbus a clear run at the 777 / A340 replacement market for a couple of years.

User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 15015 times:

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
- Boeing not planning to firm specifications for next B787 in the next couple of years

..you should have highlighted this also... Wink

"That said, we're working with all of [our airline customers]," she said. "We're very engaged with them, getting a feel for their needs and what they'd like with that airplane."

Which basically means we're not going to firm anything up yet, but if enough customers want something else, we'll try our best to get it done.

Not only that, firming up doesn't mean anything. The A350 won't be firm for a while, even though carriers have a very good idea of what they will be getting, in fact, carriers will be getting guarantees from the various manufacturers (both Boeing and Airbus).



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User currently offlineANstar From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 5188 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14981 times:

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 2):
Not only that, firming up doesn't mean anything. The A350 won't be firm for a while

True, but at least they are offering a larger capacity aircraft which some airlines (QF/EK) seem to want,

These 787-10 order's are Boeing's to lose (for the A350)


User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14954 times:

Dixon praised the new Airbus model and sounded impatient with Boeing's reluctance to unveil firm specifications for a stretch version of the Dreamliner, tailored for the same niche.

"Everything points to it being an aircraft with enough size and range to be very important for not just us but quite a number of airlines," Dixon said of the A350.

Boeing doesn't plan to firm up design specifications for the next 787 model "for a couple of years," Leach said.


Boeing has a 800 aircraft backlog for the 787, (the fastest selling aircraft in history) and confidence the 777 can be upgraded with help from partner GE to be competitive for another 10 yrs.

So no hurry for Boeing to bring up a 787-10 and for GE to come up with a NG engine north of 85k lbs.

Of course there might be a price (QR, EK, BA, QF, CX..).



User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14821 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 4):
Of course there might be a price (QR, EK, BA, QF, CX..).

QR has already decided; EK will go with the A350XWB. The A350XWB was always going to win at EK, given the investment stake.

I agree with you on the others; they are in play for either.



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User currently offlineWINGS From Portugal, joined May 2005, 2831 posts, RR: 68
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14770 times:

Yet another 787 customer that is looking towards doing a 787/A350 combo.

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
- in serious discussions with Airbus about large A350 XWB order

Qantas has been in serious discussions with Airbus for a while now. Its good to get an update of the situation. While I don't expect anything to be ordered in 2007, I would expect early 2008 as an eventual date, especially as QF will look into securing early delivery slots for the A350-1000.

If Boeing fails to deliver the 787, within the new schedule, Qantas/Jetstar will be very happy to have committed to the additional A330 orders in 2006. I wonder if more A330's are part of their contingency plans?

Anyone know if Qantas has anymore options for the A330?

Regards,
Wings



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5421 posts, RR: 30
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14742 times:

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
- Boeing not planning to firm specifications for next B787 in the next couple of years

I thought that the 350 specs weren't going to be finalized for at least another year as well.



What the...?
User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined exactly 15 years ago today! , 4161 posts, RR: 36
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14687 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 7):
I thought that the 350 specs weren't going to be finalized for at least another year as well.

True, design freeze will be next year IIRC. OTOH this info from Boeing indicates that they have decided to more or less put the B787-10 on ice for the time being (and to focus on bringing out the orderes -300, -800 and -900s) but to keep an eye on the market how this develops to be eventually ready to either bring out a B777NG or a B787-10.



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14576 times:

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Reply 8):
to keep an eye on the market how this develops to be eventually ready to either bring out a B777NG or a B787-10.

and it looks like they shouldn't look for to long..

I think Boeing should be (and probably is already) making some strategic trade-offs. E.g. pull the plug on the 747-8i, 787-3, 763 and/or C-17 and inject the money, smart boys, girls and resources into the 787-9, 787-10, 777NG/Y3 and/or 737RS..

Airbus did so recently on the A380F, A350 and A306F.


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5421 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14559 times:

I reckon there's a bit of cat and mouse going on between Boeing and Airbus, as there should be. Nobody is locking into real specs until the other guy does it first. By the time the carbon dust settles, it'll just be a larger, composite version of the 320/737 game; matching specs across the board.

So far, all the airlines have now are performance guarantees, and pretty optimistic ones at that. As a customer, you just can't lose. If the planes don't live up to the billing, you get the difference in cash. Sweet.



What the...?
User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1288 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14483 times:

Seems like EK may have chosen the A350 over the B787-10 (if ever made firmly available by Boeing) and that without such a launch order (50-100 units), there is not going to be a B787-10 in the near future.


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30885 posts, RR: 87
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14487 times:
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Honestly, I don't see where Boeing has a real choice here.

As noted, the 787 is the fastest-selling widebody in history and, even before the first one takes flight, is now the fourth most-popular widebody model ever (behind the 747, 767 and 777). While I am quite sure that Boeing would love it to be the third, second, or even the most-popular widebody model ever, the plain fact is that they have their hands full just building what they have already on order.

Frankly, Boeing can afford to let Airbus score 500 orders for the A350 by 2013. Why? Because they have already sold 1000 777s and should easily sell another 250 (minimum) by 2012.

I think Boeing suddenly launching a 787-10/787-11 would cause more worry then less. Boeing's focus right now needs to be to get the 787-3, 787-8 and 787-9 into the hands of those customers, not to spend resources on new models. Boeing also has to launch the 747-8 and 777F. Then, and only then, should Boeing launch the 787-10 and 787-11.

What would folks have said back in late 2006 if, after the second delay, Airbus announced the A380-800R, A380-900 and A380-900F? This forum - and the markets - would likely be in full-riot mode. Instead, Airbus canceled the A380-800F - even though it meant Boeing would score more 747-8F orders - and the A345E/A346E and put their nose to the grindstone and got MSN003 into SQ's hands within the newly revised timeframe.

I put to you that come mid-2008 if Boeing has announced and sold the 787-10/787-11, scored 200 orders for the pair, and is not ready to deliver LN0007 to NH their stock price will be substantially lower then not having the 787-10/787-11, facing an A350 with 400 orders, and not only having delivered LN0007 to NH, but also LN0008 and another score of planes to other customers.

Again, Boeing can wait. They will lose orders, yes, but there will be plenty more coming into play down the road. Airbus will reap the rewards of being early, but the situation in the 300-400 seat market is not as volatile as it was in the 200-300 seat market. Airbus is not going to score 1000 A350 orders in the next four years just because hundreds of 777s and A340s will be placed during that time, pushing back the need for replacements and expansion.


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5421 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14438 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 9):

Why would they pull projects for which they have sales? They have a couple of billion dollars of 747i sales alone. Considering most of the R&D money for the F, model, the i is going to be mostly profit.

The 787-3 has a bunch of sales and isn't significantly different enough than the -8 to make a difference. The C-17 and 763 are pure profit at this point. If they really need the space, they can kill the 763 whenever they wish, though they it's worth a ton of cash if they win the tanker contract. The C-17 is almost done as it is.

I'm going to guess that Boeing and Airbus are both fairly aware of what is at stake for them and are acting accordingly.



What the...?
User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30885 posts, RR: 87
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 14393 times:
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Quoting Keesje (Reply 9):
I think Boeing should be (and probably is already) making some strategic trade-offs. E.g. pull the plug on the 747-8i, 787-3, 763 and/or C-17 and inject the money, smart boys, girls and resources into the 787-9, 787-10, 777NG/Y3 and/or 737RS..

I think Boeing is better off letting those programs continue and just delay bringing the 787HGW to market to concentrate on getting the 787LGW out the door and into customer's hands.

Airbus can only score so many orders by the 2013 EIS - I figure 500 is a nice round figure. Certainly Boeing would like those orders, but they should sell another 500 787s by then along with 250+ 777s.

The biggest selling aid for the 787HGW will be the 787LGW.


User currently onlineSEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 6880 posts, RR: 46
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 14382 times:

It would be silly for Boeing to firm up specifications for the 787-10 at this point, since the A350 specs aren't even firm for the base models. A lot can happen in two years, and Boeing has their hands full sorting out production problems on the 788, getting the 789 into production and both of them certified..


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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 14330 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 14):
The biggest selling aid for the 787HGW will be the 787LGW.



Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
QF Prepares For B787 Delay, Prepares A350 Order

hmm, long term you mean..


User currently offlineBaroque From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 15380 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 14299 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 1):
Very interesting - it looks like the XWBs would be in addition to the 787s not to replace them - the info about the 787-10 is very interesting - this almost guarantees Airbus a clear run at the 777 / A340 replacement market for a couple of years.

It would be interesting to know how QF would use the two types IF it were to buy both. One possibility would be the 787 more to Jetstar and the 350 to Qantas, which would be an inversion of earlier practices. There always was a certain logic to the two types being complementary to some extent once the 350 became a 350XWB.

I will bet the factories are happy with all those customers breathing down their collective necks. Airbus might as well lay out the guest areas for the customers in advance of starting on the 350, they will be expecting to arrive in hordes.

Interesting article, pity Dicko does not care to let us know about all this back here where we are paying for it.  Wow!


User currently offlineWingman From Seychelles, joined May 1999, 2230 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 14276 times:

And intersting that QF in particular would be pushing Boeing to focus on another massive project while still trying to wrap its head around a project that is equally important to both Boeing AND Qantas. EK I can understand, they could give a rat's ass about delays on the 3,8 and 9 since they have none on order. Seems odd but I get the feeling that Boeing myst be saying to themselves "these airlines gave Airbus 5 years to study our new airplane and 3 re-writes to come up with a great airplane itself, and now we wnat the same luxury even if it costs us 200-300 orders in the -10 range." I figure they want to know exactly what they need to compete against before plunking down another $2-3B to do it. There are other airlines out there besides QF, QR and EK and we should all remember that those airlines that order both series will always be in play for the larger variants beyond firm orders. They will be playing the larger models off one another for options orders 5-7 years out in what I'd call the industry's first real "options wars". Up to now these options orders may have been contested here and there but not like we'll see in the future.

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30885 posts, RR: 87
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 14277 times:
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I think QF may be taking a page out of the EK playbook, frankly. By talking up the A350, they get a better price on those 50 787 options they're sitting on.

I have a feeling that just as we heard for years how EK is "almost ready" to buy the 747-8I, I think we might be hearing for years how QF is "almost ready" to buy the A350...  Wink


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5421 posts, RR: 30
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 14172 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 16):

"Dixon, meanwhile, said Qantas is in "serious discussions" with Airbus for a large order of A350-XWBs, largely composite aircraft built to hold upward of 350 passengers. Qantas officials plan to visit Toulouse this fall for a detailed look at the new aircraft, which has been redesigned multiple times after customers complained that it didn't match the technical breakthroughs of the 787. They expect to decide on an aircraft next year, Dixon said."

That's not quite the same as "Prepares A350 order".

The vast majority of the -10/-11/-whatever R&D work is already done for the 787 and they're already constructing the majority of what will be common components of the future models. When they do decide, it should take considerably less time to get new models ramped up than if they were building a plane from scratch.

Qantas has the most 787 orders. If they order some 350's, too, that just makes things more interesting.

Considering we're talking delivery dates into mid next decade, it's all long term.



What the...?
User currently offlineSwallow From Uganda, joined Jul 2007, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 14113 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):
Again, Boeing can wait. They will lose orders, yes, but there will be plenty more coming into play down the road.

Good point. IIRC, this is a 2,500 airplane market and both OEMs will score lots of orders. None of them can meet demand all by themselves. I think the media put too much hype into 'an order for X is a loss for Y'. Both have their hands full with new airplane programs and have healthy backlogs previously unheard of in the industry. We need both to keep each other honest and the customers benefit from the competition.

My $ 0.02



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 13995 times:

Quoting ANstar (Reply 3):

True, but at least they are offering a larger capacity aircraft which some airlines (QF/EK) seem to want,

...Boeing has already stated they are ready to offer the B787-10.....it's only a matter of "if" and not "when".

Quoting Stitch (Reply 12):

I think Boeing suddenly launching a 787-10/787-11 would cause more worry then less. Boeing's focus right now needs to be to get the 787-3, 787-8 and 787-9 into the hands of those customers, not to spend resources on new models. Boeing also has to launch the 747-8 and 777F. Then, and only then, should Boeing launch the 787-10 and 787-11.

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Quoting Baroque (Reply 17):
It would be interesting to know how QF would use the two types IF it were to buy both. One possibility would be the 787 more to Jetstar and the 350 to Qantas, which would be an inversion of earlier practices. There always was a certain logic to the two types being complementary to some extent once the 350 became a 350XWB.

...I think it will be destination specific more than carrier specific.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30885 posts, RR: 87
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 13889 times:
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Let us look at the current A350 order book:

QR - They ordered the original A350 over the 787. Do we really think a 787-10 and 787-11 would have made them change their mind? I do not believe so. So that is not a "lost" order.

US - Same deal. No "lost" order there.

AY - Major Airbus operator now. I do not believe the 787-10 would have swayed them.

IT - By default they get A350s as part of their "Airbus Sampler Pack" order, so they would not have cared about the 787, period.

SQ - They have to replace planes on a pre-set schedule, so availability likely drove that decision. If Boeing had the 787-10, I believe they would have bought it, instead. So that is a "lost" order.

VN - Their order is for the A350-900 and they are a 787 customer, so here too is a "lost" opportunity for Boeing as I believe they would have taken the 787-10 if it was available.

EK - This one is hard. I do not believe that EK is wedded at the hip to Airbus. I believe that an available 787-10 might have swung the order to EK, but they do have a large Airbus fleet and the A333 was a better choice for interim lift for them then additional 77As, which would have given Airbus a solid foundation. Undecided.

If we take EK out of the equation, even if the 787-10 was available, at best, we'd be looking at 30 firm orders with SQ and VN. Meanwhile the A350 still would have secured a minimum of 133 orders from QR, US, AY and IT.

So I don't think not having the 787-10 right now has been a great blow to Boeing nor do I see it having been a serious competitor that would have stolen many scores of A350 orders.

EK is the big deal at the moment, but I also believe it is the only big deal left before 2010.

And I believe Boeing will have the 787-10/787HGW ready by 2010 in time for the next wave of major RFPs.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 13761 times:

Quoting Lumberton (Reply 5):
The A350XWB was always going to win at EK, given the investment stake.

Yeah, which is why they rejected the A350XNB out of hand.  Yeah sure

Theres no need for false excuses. If Boeing were building the better plane, Emirates would order it.

Why do you think they canceled the A340-600's and ordered the 777-300ER?


25 Post contains images Revelation : I agree. It's just not in Boeing's interest to commit to new models when so many things can change in the next few years. It's kind of interesting to
26 Scbriml : Don't forget BA "Phase II" (probably next year). I'm sure they'll be some others before 2010 as well.
27 Flying-Tiger : Interesting observation. IMO financing plays the major part in here. At the moment here is so much money floating around that it is quite easy to con
28 JoFMO : What about the big pending orders from BA and LH?
29 PZ : What about AA? AA might be another big deal...
30 Baroque : It could be destination specific, but at this distance it is difficult to pick which routes are going to support the higher loads for the 350, presum
31 Post contains images Jacobin777 : ..hence why I'm not making any predictions as to what QF/JQ would do if they got the A350s... ....I agree on that....of course, one could pull and "E
32 Stitch : BA I think can wait. They still have plenty of 744s and those new 77Es to hold them over. I think they could push back the decision until 2009 at whi
33 Revelation : And the article says, "We monitor this in Toulouse and in Seattle all the time," Dixon told the Tribune "That shouldn't be read as the fact that we d
34 Flying-Tiger : => => In the end it comes down that Qantas has its concerns with the B787 schedule and has taken the precaution to move [extra] staff to Seattle to h
35 Post contains images Stitch : Well doing so pushed the A380 forward, so I'm all for it on that angle for the 787 since she will come sooner, too.
36 Ikramerica : Once again, Dixon is on record as saying he wants the 787-10 to seat 350. That's "the same niche" and he's said it before. Again, Dixon is stuck as h
37 Post contains images Stitch : So should QF surprise me and order the A350-1000, I can't blame Boeing because the only model that could meet that demand other then the 77W is the 7
38 Beaucaire : It would nevertheless be reconforting to see some tangible evidence of the actually assembled aircraft and how their interior ,cockpit etc. looks like
39 Ken777 : If Boeing is talking to airlines about their needs are they just talking about the 787-10, or are have they also opened the door for Y3? While Y3 may
40 Ikramerica : They always talk about everything. Y3, 787-10, 777NG, Y1, 748. I'm just not sure I understand the urgency of the A350-1000 order, considering it's 8
41 Jacobin777 : I agree but I still think if QF can get the B77W by 2009 Dixon & Co. would be flying the B77W 7-8 years before the A350-1000 ....direct competitor Vi
42 Keesje : I think the 787-10, 777-200 and A350-900 are comparable. The A350-1000 is bigger approaching 777-300 capasity, a 787 competitor should be a further s
43 Ikramerica : I agree. But they won't do it. It would make Dixon look like he was wrong in the past. I imagine there's pressure internally on him, as he's really d
44 Post contains images Astuteman : That's exactly how I read Boeing's actions at the moment. They're not going to rush into a new/development programme when a) they don't need to and b
45 Post contains images Jacobin777 : He might have made a few bad decisions the past few years (of course not including the B787 purchase.. ) but the B77W is still gaining either new cus
46 Thrust : THis really doesn't spell any type of disaster IMO for Boeing, because the A350 is not really what I would call the 787's rival, just as the A380 is n
47 EI321 : There are loads. AF, KL, LH, Various Chinese, CX [possibly], UA etc, etc They need to get early slots. If they are not rivals I dont thow what are! T
48 Jfk777 : I don't understand Qantas not getting 777-300ER aircraft, the 744 are 20 years old and tired. There needs to be a plane between the A380 at 475 seats
49 EI321 : Which is why they like the A350-1000. The remaining jumbos can survive until 2016/2017.
50 Post contains images FRNT787 : I agree with what many have said regarding Dixon's apparent urgency to order the 787-10 or the 350-1000. Neither of these aircraft would be delivered
51 Gemuser : The B744 are between 17 and 8 years old, the B744ER are between 3 and 5 years old, the B743 are 20 years old. Yes replacement is needed, especially f
52 Post contains images Ikramerica : Exactly. He missed the boat on the 777s or A346, he tried to enrich himself through selling the airline for parts, and now he's still ignoring the 77
53 Post contains images ER757 : If you think the threads that appeared when AC bought 787's and 777's were long, wait til you see the ones if AA buys A350XWB's!
54 Gigneil : It can't be though. The 787-9 is smaller than an A350-900. A 787-10 would be about the size of a 777-200ER if not mildly larger. A 350 seat aircraft
55 DavidByrne : Is that really the case? The great circle distance is 8,646 nm, or 9,950 statute miles; I don't think that the 77W is capable of anything like that .
56 Stitch : It may very well be that Mr. Dixon feels QF doesn't need a 350-seat twin now, but will need one a decade from now. At that point, you might as well go
57 Gigneil : It absolutely could not work. A 777-200LR would even require added aux tanks to fly it, as its still air range is about 8400 nm. Nobody has taken on
58 UA76Heavy : Exactly! In fact a few months back, AWST published article that said Boeing was going to wait and see what specs emerge for the A350 before making th
59 MotorHussy : Amazing to hear Aboulafia talk about Boeing in anything other than glowing terms. But yes, QF would be a perfect candidate for a fleet of both 787's a
60 TruemanQLD : YES!!! I've always wanted to see a QF A350! Pitty about the delay though. Just for QF a/c or for JQ and QF a/c?
61 VHHYI : Not too long ago Dixon (QF CEO) was looking for some elusive 'hub buster' plane which would cut an Asian stop over from the Kangaroo route and allow
62 Gemuser : Actually he was looking for LHR-SYD/MEL all year round, with a full pax, cargo load, plane. He's still looking. If he wanted a LHR-PER plane he could
63 Post contains images Baroque : We are not as tall as the Dutch, or as US college towns with good baskeball teams, but there are a lot of lanky Strines (Oztrayuns) around, so longer
64 Post contains images Astuteman : Strewth.....
65 Post contains links and images Keesje : In real operational conds it wouldn't be the ideal aircraft for this mission: Airbus is offering Qantas and BA an A350-900R. (A350-900 with A350-1000
66 Stitch : Well that is not going to happen with an A350-1000 and an A350-900R is not going to haul 350 people, so QF is looking at the A350-1000 for another re
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