Commavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 10191 posts, RR: 62 Reply 1, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4200 times:
So, the worst kept secret in the U.S. airline industry in the last year is official!
Good for SAN. (By rumblings here on A.net, it sounds like MIA and/or SEA may be next.)
Bicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4160 times:
Welcome to SAN-SFO air traffic delays! I hope they've built a lot of flexibility into their schedule. SFO has had flow control almost every day for the past two weeks. The beauty of UA having about 10 to 12 flights a day is that they move you up to the first flight departing (if there's a seat...which isn't always the case). So if you're leaving at 10:00 am and that flight is ATC delayed, they'll put you on the 8:30 am departure that was subject to a ground stop but will be departing at 10:00. With only a few flights a day, Virgin won't have that option. My advice to anyone who absolutely has to be in SFO for a meeting or connection: Take the first flight of the day that leaves before 7:00 am. Those flights are rarely delayed.
JetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1613 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4127 times:
Good for them, although i must say I am surprised SANFan didn't break this on A.net
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Lindy Field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3072 posts, RR: 15 Reply 4, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4014 times:
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At last! Good to see that VA has finally firmed up its plans to come to SAN. I wonder which gates they'll be using.
MIAUA777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 45 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3966 times:
The press release only states service to SFO but on there website on the route map its shows service between SAN and both JFK/IAD beginning Feb 13th
National757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 717 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3959 times:
Quoting MIAUA777 (Reply 5): shows service between SAN and both JFK/IAD beginning Feb 13th
SAN-JFK/IAD require a connection in SFO. The route map should state that directly, instead of implying non stop service from SAN to JFK/IAD.
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N77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3739 times:
Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 2): Welcome to SAN-SFO air traffic delays! I hope they've built a lot of flexibility into their schedule. SFO has had flow control almost every day for the past two weeks. The beauty of UA having about 10 to 12 flights a day is that they move you up to the first flight departing (if there's a seat...which isn't always the case). So if you're leaving at 10:00 am and that flight is ATC delayed, they'll put you on the 8:30 am departure that was subject to a ground stop but will be departing at 10:00. With only a few flights a day, Virgin won't have that option. My advice to anyone who absolutely has to be in SFO for a meeting or connection: Take the first flight of the day that leaves before 7:00 am. Those flights are rarely delayed.
There is nothing beautiful about a GDP into SFO, especially on UA.
LAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22041 posts, RR: 51 Reply 8, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3728 times:
Congrats, however hope VX is ready to battle it out with United and Southwest in this market.
As we know Alaska Airlines whom has a well established California franchise decided the heat was too much and got off the route.
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Bicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 10, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3632 times:
I believe the real battle will be between Southwest and Virgin America. UA does well with its vast domestic and international network out of SFO. Add to that its Mileage Plus whores and they'll do fine. Sure they might lose a bit of O & D traffic and will have to match fares, but even with WN entering the market, UA's SAN-SFO flights are still packed.
WN is a proven marketing success and known entity. We'll see what creative ways Virgin America will find to market and sell their product. The "hip" factor won't sell to everyone. Most will continue to buy tickets for a 1 1/2 hour flight based on price, price, price and schedule, schedule, schedule.
N77014 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3563 times:
Quoting Bicoastal (Reply 11): I believe the real battle will be between Southwest and Virgin America. UA does well with its vast domestic and international network out of SFO. Add to that its Mileage Plus whores and they'll do fine. Sure they might lose a bit of O & D traffic and will have to match fares, but even with WN entering the market, UA's SAN-SFO flights are still packed.
If UA was doing so fine, they wouldn't have retired the Shuttle product, when they were soundly defeated by WN, and that was with WN not even flying UA's flagship intra-CA market, LAX-SFO.
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quote=Bicoastal,reply=11]WN is a proven marketing success and known entity.[/quote]
True. By lowering the service bar so low they can exceed all expectations and declare victory. The only thing WN, and to an extent UA have is covereage and frequency. Both of which diminish in value when the service level is so low and the planes start looking shabby by the early afternoon.
Since we are in the new millenium, its time for a new millenium product.
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4721 posts, RR: 15 Reply 13, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3408 times:
Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Reply 3): Good for them, although i must say I am surprised SANFan didn't break this on A.net
Hey, so I picked a bad day to sleep in! (In my defense, I DID check the VX website last night -- as always -- and it showed nothing new except I did notice that the job posting for the SAN Station Mgr was finally gone...
Quoting MIAUA777 (Reply 5): The press release only states service to SFO but on there website on the route map its shows service between SAN and both JFK/IAD beginning Feb 13th
It looks pretty clear to me that the SAN service is only to SFO with connections to JFK and IAD (for now anyway...)
Well, needless to say, I'm glad something has finally broken on this long-awaited event (by me anyway.) I have some investigating and inquiring to do to get myself up to speed on this .
Congrat's to Virgin and welcome to America's Finest City!
B752OS From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3358 times:
Quoting SANFan (Reply 13): It looks pretty clear to me that the SAN service is only to SFO with connections to JFK and IAD (for now anyway...)
Well, needless to say, I'm glad something has finally broken on this long-awaited event (by me anyway.) I have some investigating and inquiring to do to get myself up to speed on this .
Congrat's to Virgin and welcome to America's Finest City!
I would say the city with some of the best weather in the country. I wonder if MIA starts, VX will jump on SAN-MIA?
JetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1613 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3329 times:
Quoting SANFan (Reply 13): Hey, so I picked a bad day to sleep in!
No problem. You gonna try it out and write a TR?
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ASFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2005, 889 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3300 times:
Quoting N77014 (Reply 11): True. By lowering the service bar so low they can exceed all expectations and declare victory
Southwest merely didn't promise more than they could deliver. At Southwest, you get what you pay for, an airplane ticket - not a dining experience or shangri la from coast to coast. People need to get used to paying for what they want instead of buying an airline ticket and expecting meals, entertainment and someone to cater to their every whim.
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 10 Reply 17, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3273 times:
Let us also not forget United's VAST business contracts within the state of California!!
Hewlett-Packard (I almost used HP!!), for example, has dozens of employees shuttling back and forth between northern and southern California every day. A friend of mine who works for them has the flight numbers memorized and can do the "well-if-there's-a-ground-stop-on-flight-XXX-can-you-get-me-on-flight-YYY?" thing without even trying. Hewlett-Packard even has a special location on their website specifically for their employees to book flights DIRECTLY on United with United's HP discount.
Hewlett-Packard also allows its employees to book travel on Southwest if they prefer - many do, and this shows how important the business traveller is on this route.
As for Virgin America, I wish them luck - but both F9 and AS tried very hard to crack the intra-California market, both without much success. I think they'll have much more success on long haul than they will here.
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JetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1613 posts, RR: 2 Reply 19, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3227 times:
Quoting San747 (Reply 18): Too late! I'm already flying them in F on SFO-LAX this Tuesday
Dont 4get the TR
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San747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4934 posts, RR: 13 Reply 20, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3221 times:
Apollo13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3074 times:
This will be good for me. I travel down to Southern California at least three times a year. Im thinking og moving down to San Diego for college so hearing news that low fares on another airline will be heading down there is wonderful for me. Hopefully they will be 44 dollar faress like the LAX run!!!
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31118 posts, RR: 74 Reply 22, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3021 times:
Quoting B752OS (Reply 14): I wonder if MIA starts, VX will jump on SAN-MIA?
Definitely not at first. Delivery of new aircraft is pretty slow, so they can only add so many trans-cons. Aircraft deliveries are likely going to be a big factor in dictatating if Seattle or Miami comes next.
SANFan From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 4721 posts, RR: 15 Reply 23, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2866 times:
I sure will be trying them out as soon as I can (and a T R will follow!) You know I was kind of wondering at the beginning of this week, with all the WN-announcement talk heating up, if VX might possibly try a bit of up-staging and announce something before Thursday. (I just didn't think about it seriously enough to get up earlier to check the VX website.)
Quoting B752OS (Reply 14): I wonder if MIA starts, VX will jump on SAN-MIA?
I asked this very question on another VX thread a few days ago. Of course the big question remains as to what the VX route map will look like in a year: hub-and-spoke with only LA and SF as the hubs and everything else connected as spokes, or a nice big web with lots and lots of P-2-P connectors. (Or, a third option and my choice would be hub-and-spoke with a broad hub of California -- meaning SF, LA and SD -- connected to the rest of the nation. This option is about 95% dreaming and fantasy on my part, and 5% sensible and realistic thinking.)
LAS and now SAN remain merely spokes right now but I think it's a bit early to tell what the big picture might be. The a/c delivery delays (due apparently to IFE installation issues) have, I think, kind of screwed up expansion plans a bit and I would imagine VX's priority will be to get some additional stations on line ASAP which would imply connections only with SFO and possibly LA for the foreseeable future.
In any case, at some point, assuming things remain as they are, and neither AA nor B6 (or anyone else) start flying n/s SAN-MIA/FLL, I would hope VX route planning will see the healthy traffic figures and "Not Currently Served" status of the route and connect the 2 cities.
Remember too that SAN is the first city served by VX that is not also (already) served by big cousin, Virgin Atlantic. I don't know how meaningful this is, particularly due to the delicate nature of the relationship (or not) of the 2 carriers, but it could be important. (I haven't really had a good look at schedules yet and I'm very curious to see if the SAN flights happen to connect nicely with VS's SFO-LHR service...)
I'm trying to find out the answer to this question as well Lindy'; the terminal maps at SAN.org have not yet been updated. I'll post it as soon as I find out. (My guess remains T2E with gate(s) out at the end of the concourse, 30-31-32-ish. I really hope they are going after 2 gates! )
Apollo13 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (5 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2580 times:
Have they thought of flying into SNA? I would love it since my friends live down there and i fly down to see them at least three times a year.
25 Laxintl: I'm sure they have, but from practical stand point they might be waiting for years for slots to become vacant and even then its likely going to be on
26 Trvlr: The airport website already mentions Terminal 2 (where, I ask, where?), no word on gates yet. Too late! I already did LAS-SFO in F last month . Silly
27 Apollo13: yeah. Thats true and does anyone down there know how the development of the new terminal is going? Or is it an expansion and again, how many new gate
28 Luvfa: Frequency is very important when trying to lure the short-haul business traveler. I haven't gotten to experience flying on VX. I hear it is a great e
29 Luv2fly: Well said though a majority believe VX is the best thing since sliced bread and is changing air travel by the minute. Other then ordering food from y
30 Trvlr: If you haven't flown them yet, I recommend you do. Their hard product (the seat and cabin), especially in first class, is far better than any U.S. do
31 MAH4546: Actually, in terms of airlines, they are the best thing since sliced bread. I recently tried them on a short day-trip to SFO, one way in coach the ot
32 AirframeAS: There is very small counter space at the upper parts of T2. They can occupy where SX used to be now that SX pulled out of SAN. VX can use that.
34 SANFan: "It's all in the timing!" Virgin begins serving Lindbergh on Feb 12 and the Bus flies to and from SAN thru March 7... But since there is no space ove
35 Iaddca: I know, assigned seats, google maps, and flights to regular airports can be incredibly boring.
36 AirframeAS: Very recently, I don't remember the exact date it was announced.
37 Luv2fly: Lets see they have roughly seven or so planes and the deliveries are not coming all that fast, yeah the majors are shaking!
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