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User currently offlineFlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1008 posts, RR: 0
Posted (15 years 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 642 times:

I was wondering what the seating pitch on United's 747-400s is in coach. Last summer, I flew UA 744 N177UA NRT-LAX, and then connected to an AA 763. To my surprise, my AA coach 767 seat felt like Bus. class compared to UA. Does anyone know the difference in pitch?

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User currently offlinePurdue Cadet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (15 years 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 640 times:

I noticed the same thing - the UA 744 I flew HNL-SFO seemed to have a horrible seat pitch... the DC-10 seemed a lot more comfortable. I don't know exact numbers, either, but it would be interesting to find out if someone does.

User currently offlineDw From South Korea, joined Nov 2012, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (15 years 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 640 times:

I would love to get some opinions of the comfort-level of UA's seat pitch on 747-400s across the Pacific. I recently returned from a trip to Asia on JL, and welcomed the seat pitch (34 inches, is it?). I'll be flying to HKG later this year, and want to take UA for frequent flyer reasons, but at the same time I'll probably be doing the non-stop ORD-HKG, and would rather not be stuffed like a sardine for 16 hours.

User currently offlineCharles802 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 380 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (15 years 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 640 times:

Anyone know of a website that lists the seat pitchs of individual airlines, and their aircraft? I thought Consumer Reports Travel Letter did, but my subscription over the past year and a few months would prove otherwise! I do know they put out a book called "Best Travel Deals" or something like that.

User currently offlineUA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (15 years 3 days ago) and read 640 times:

Do not dismiss my post immediately just because of my name, although I will admit I do have a slight bias for UAL 747-400s (LOL!) Anyway, I recently flew a UA 744 from SFO-ORD. I noticed that the seat pitch was kinda cramped, like the pitch on a 757.

But have you been on a UAL 747-100 to hawaii? Those things are killer. There are like 400 seats in coach, and first class is only in the nose and on the upper deck. Seating is *really* cramped. Even though the 747-400 had the same pitch as the -100, there seemed to be much more room because of the new seats.

However, I think 31/32 inches is the same pitch on all of UA's fleet (with the exceptions of the beloved DC-10s which have 34 inches; but you have to compromise cause the DC-10 seats are old as hell). This is the same case with all of the majors. All seats are around 31-32 inches with the exception of their old planes (DC-10, L1011, etc.) Consumer Reports did a study on this and I remember all the average widebody seatpitches of the Major U.S. airlines were 31/32 inches.

Purdue,
Which United Economy seats did you have? The new ones (with the headrest wings) or the old ones (which are much bulkier)?

Dw,
Soon enough though, all the 747-400s will be fitted with the new Decor 5, the United First Suites, and PTVs in economy. It will be great, trust me, even if the seat pitch is the same as on narrowbodies. Service is great cause there are a lot of flight attendants and a lot of food to be served!

Later,
Hass


User currently offlineUA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (15 years 3 days ago) and read 640 times:

Look at my previous post; I think that will answer your question. I also think the reason why you felt like you were in Bus. on AA is because you are obviously biased for it (just like I am biased for UA).

Peace out yo,
Hass


User currently offlinePurdue Cadet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (15 years 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 640 times:

Well, UA744's explanation certainly clarified why the DC-10 was so nice to fly in, but I'm not sure about the 744 still. The seat pitch certainly didn't feel as comfortable as on any of the AA planes I have been on. In fairness, I should only compare them to AA planes that I have flown on flights of 4 hours, which is what the HNL-SFO flight was. That would include AA MD-80s, 738s, 757s, 767s, and DC-10s, all of which were more comfortable than the United 747-400. I'm not sure that I would have thought about it so much except for the fact that, with this being my forst time on a 747, I guess I had delusions of granduer for such a masiive, beautiful aircraft.

To answer your question, UA744Flagship, I don't know. Do the new seats have adjustable wings on the headrest? If so, I was in an old seat. The seat I was in had a headrest that appeared that it might be adjustable, but it wasn't.


User currently offlinePurdue Cadet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (15 years 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 640 times:

Based on my admittedly limited experience, I would not choose UAs 744 ORD-HKG. With how uncomfortable the 744 was for a 4-hour flight HNL-SFO, I would not want to be in there for 16 hours, especially if you're going coach. The premium cabins are probably better. Perhaps a Star alliance carrier could take you and still deliver the frequent flier benefits you want.

User currently offlineFlyAA757 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1008 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (15 years 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 640 times:

While I am biased towards AA, that was certainly not the reason for my feeling. Personally, I hate being cramped on AA's MD80s and F100s. My legs nearly touch the seat in front of me. The 767-300 felt great because the pitch was great. There was PLENTY of room. From my window seat on UA's744, I needed to climb over 2 people to go to the bathroom. It was really unpleasant. As for the rest of AA's fleet, the International A300s are FABULOUS, and the DC10s/domestic A300s/767s are pretty good. The 767-300s will start getting the new interiors which will make them really nice. People are raving about the 777, but I havent been able to sample it just yet. The 757s are better than the 727s, but I think that the MD80s are the worst for comfort. All MD80s/most727s will get new interiors. Cant wait!

User currently offlineAspen1 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 267 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (15 years 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 640 times:

how can you compare a 747 to a 767. in the 747 all window rows have 3 seats in a 767 they dont. u cant compare the two

User currently offlineAdam84 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1400 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (15 years 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 640 times:

a plane gets you from point a to point b for hella cheap, I dont really care about comfort unless Im paying a premium price for it, but the most cramped plane I have ever been on was a Delta Airlines 727-200 and a Northwest DC-9

User currently offlineUA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (15 years 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 640 times:

Although those headrests looked like they were non-movable or non-functional, trust me, they are... You have to pull hard on the sides to make the headrest, as well as the wings bend and contort and stuff. Whereas AA's and DL's headrests are obvious because they are gray and they are made of leather, UA's (as well as CO's) are hardly ever used cause no one notices that they are headrests. I was on a 757-200ER from LA-Kona, and I was the only one on the plane who knew that the headrests worked! (I looked at the seats after the flight and no one else had used them)!

User currently offlineUA744Flagship From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (15 years 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 641 times:

There is no difference between the seat pitch in AA's 767s and UA's 747-400s. Consumer Reports did a study last year on the seat pitches of specific plane types of all th U.S. airlines -- ALL who operated 767s had seat pitches of 31 or 32 inches... the same as the pitch on United's and Northwest's 747s! Purdue Cadet and FlyAA757, you should look at this report! I have been on an AA 767-200ER, and I have been on UA's 747-400 several times... the pitch was the same, even though the 767 felt roomier because of the seating config (2-3-2 vs. 3-4-3)! The roominess of AA's 767s (and all 767s in general) are because of the way its cabin was designed!!!

User currently offlinePurdue Cadet From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (15 years 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 640 times:

If you read my original post ("Back from Hawaii"), you will see that I did not say that the pitch was smaller. What I said was that the plane was uncomfortable...

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It was
seriously lacking in personal space. The cabin felt very cramped and,
despite its size, did not have the look or feel of a large plane. The
narrow aisles just made it worse by making the seats look more closely
packed.
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I don't much care why the 747-400 was uncomfortable. Whether it's smaller pitch or seating layout, the fact remains that it was an uncomfortable plane that I would avoid flying in the future. Also, it's really not neccessary to get defensive. I did say that I meant nothing particular against United, citing the comfort of the UA DC-10 to their favor. This is a complaint that I would have against any airline operating uncomfortable equipment, especially on long flights. Another reason that I think the 744 was uncomfortable was the number of bulkheads. I would estimate that there were about ten rows in the section of the plane I was in (I was in row 40), and not being able to see much of the plane from my seat led to the feeling that the cabin was small. In a DC-10 and other planes, on the other hand, you see many more rows. This gives an impression that the cabin is larger and more spacious, and therefore more comfortable. Maybe it makes me look silly, but I would prefer a more comfortable seeming plane over another that seems less comfortable, even if the actual amount of space on each was the same.

As for the headrests, AAs are blue leather, not grey. It seems awfully silly for UA to put on hard to notice, difficult to use headrests. Wouldn't it make more sense to equip the seats with features that passengers would actually use?


User currently offlineTWA 727-200 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (15 years 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 640 times:

What is the meal service like on UAL overseas on 747's? Do they serve meals on China in Coach? Also, do you get enough to eat? I would like to know about international experiences.

User currently offlineDw From South Korea, joined Nov 2012, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (15 years 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 640 times:

I haven't taken UA on international flights, but I can pretty much guarantee you that:
a) meals will not be served on china, but on plastic trays
b) the meals will be too small.

I recently flew on international flights with JL and CA. Both had service that was far superior to UA's, and while the meals were pretty good in coach, they were served on plastic trays and the proportions weren't exactly filling.


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