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Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport  
User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16711 times:

I was just checking out Google Maps, looking at the old layout of Denver's (now decommissioned) Stapleton Airport. On the map, Interstate 70 completely bisects one of the runways right in its midsection.

I'm fairly confident this wasn't the case when the airport was operational. How was the highway routed back in the good ol' days of Stapleton?


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16713 times:

Quoting Ssides (Thread starter):
I'm fairly confident this wasn't the case when the airport was operational.

It was. Quite disconcerting to see planes landing on you from the roadway.

NS


User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16687 times:

Wow. Did the runways go over or under the highway?


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26601 posts, RR: 75
Reply 3, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16687 times:

Quoting Ssides (Reply 2):
Wow. Did the runways go over or under the highway?

They would have had to go under.



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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2248 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16674 times:

Quoting Ssides (Reply 2):
Did the runways go over or under the highway?

Put down the cocktail. No more for you today.



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16649 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
They would have had to go under.

No more drinking for you either.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 1):
It was. Quite disconcerting to see planes landing on you from the roadway.

It was equally very fun to watch planes taking off from right over the road, or a little bit further down.

Atlanta's new runway goes directly over one of the largest clusterfucks, I mean roadways in the US.

NS


User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 6, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16645 times:

I-70 went directly underneath rwy 35L/17R at the runway's midpoint. The threshold for runway 35R was located just north of the interstate.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
Quoting Ssides (Reply 2):
Wow. Did the runways go over or under the highway?


They would have had to go under.

 rotfl  ...you sure about that ?  wink 

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineStapleton From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 281 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16585 times:

If I remember correctly, the structural strength of the bridges (there were two, one for Runway 35L/17R and its parallel taxiway and the second for the taxiway to Runway 35R/17L) did not permit 747s to use either of the two runways. 747s used runway 26L/8R if I remember correctly.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 16577 times:

I believe you to be correct.

NS


User currently offlineDIA77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 705 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 16494 times:

The tunnels that I-70 went through under the runway were torn down about 10 years ago.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 16459 times:

Quoting DIA77 (Reply 9):
The tunnels that I-70 went through under the runway were torn down about 10 years ago.

Yes sir, we know.  Smile They weren't really tunnels exactly, but just the solid runway overhead with its many supports.

NS


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26601 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 16459 times:

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 6):
...you sure about that ?

I must have been drinking  Silly



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 16419 times:

There are several examples of runways that go over freeways and city streets:

At LAX, Sepulveda Blvd tunnels underneath the southern runways. That's an experience - a fully loaded jumbo jet lumbering for take-off and vibrating the whole tunnel!!

At BFL, both runway 30R and the adjoining taxiway cross over Seventh Standard Road.

At the Boeing assembly plant, the planes must cross over a road on an overpass to reach the final assembly point. Is this the paint shop? Someone in the know help me with this one - I've only seen pictures of it!!

At ORD, several taxiways cross directly over the entrance road, leading to 31L (?). Whether or not they will all be kept is unknown to me.

At ATL, the new runway (10/28) goes under the interstate highway.

Are there any others?

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Did the runways go over or under the highway? They would have had to go under.

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 



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User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 16394 times:


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Photo © AirNikon



I-70 runs along the left side of this a.net Stapleton photo. A dirt outline of where runway 17R/35L sat can be seen running left to right in the center of the picture. The threshold of runway 35R was located roughly where the left of the two newer white roofed buildings sits.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
I must have been drinking

.....as they say, it is five o'clock somewhere  wink 

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineNitrohelper From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 469 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 16389 times:

At MKE, S. Howell Ave. goes under the runway.

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 16377 times:

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 13):
.....as they say, it is five o'clock somewhere wink

And he doesn't really drink.

NS


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 16360 times:

Not just major international airports either, even though it seems quite the expensive alternative when you're talking a GA field..
My new "home" tiny little Greene County Regional (I19) here near Dayton has a county road going under it's sole runway, because somehow they found it more economical to tunnel the roadway than to put a little meander in the roadway when they lengthened the runway. http://i19airport.com/tunnel/index.shtml

Likewise PA-885 goes under the main runway at Pittsburgh's AGC.


User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 16342 times:

Quoting Stapleton (Reply 7):
If I remember correctly, the structural strength of the bridges (there were two, one for Runway 35L/17R and its parallel taxiway and the second for the taxiway to Runway 35R/17L) did not permit 747s to use either of the two runways. 747s used runway 26L/8R if I remember correctly.

I specifically remember seeing 747s from CO, Pan Am, and Flying Tigers taxiing over I-70. So I think they were cleared to use 35R/17L.



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User currently offlineStapleton From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 281 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 16303 times:

Quoting DIA (Reply 17):
I specifically remember seeing 747s from CO, Pan Am, and Flying Tigers taxiing over I-70. So I think they were cleared to use 35R/17L.

You could be right, I know that bridge was built well after the arrival of 747s so it would make sense that it was built to handle the 747. It must have been 35L/17R that was restricted.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 16294 times:

A 747 is alot less stress on a structure while taxiing than landing (even the best "greaser" is a pretty heavy hit when the plane weighs that much... and harmonic motions on bridge structures are not a good thing.)

They may have been permitted taxiing across the structure, just not allowed using it for actual flight operations.


User currently offlineIncitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4030 posts, RR: 13
Reply 20, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 16288 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 12):
At ATL, the new runway (10/28) goes under the interstate highway.

I wish you were right on this one. A runway going through a tunel would be an experience, especially during an aborted landing  Wink



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User currently offlineDIA77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 705 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 16270 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 10):
Yes sir, we know. They weren't really tunnels exactly, but just the solid runway overhead with its many supports.

Actually, it was a fairly long tunnel....


User currently offlineNZ8800 From New Zealand, joined May 2006, 425 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 16236 times:

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 12):
Are there any others?

London Heathrow - the entrance road passes under Runway 09L/27R.



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User currently offlineLAXspotter From India, joined Jan 2007, 3650 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 16210 times:

Quoting Ssides (Reply 2):
Did the runways go over or under the highway?

Over  Yeah sure

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 4):
Put down the cocktail. No more for you today.

hahahah, just think about the question? Imagine a go-around

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 5):
largest clusterfucks, I mean roadways in the US.

 rotfl 

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 12):
a fully loaded jumbo jet lumbering for take-off and vibrating the whole tunnel!!

trust me it is scary. There was a traffic jam in the tunnel, and the rumbling noise was terrifying, what if the structure was unstable  scared  It took me 30 minutes to get from In-n-out to the Proud Bird  grumpy 



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User currently offlineRyDawg82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 867 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (6 years 11 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 16206 times:

You know I can't let a Stapleton post go by without saying something  Smile

Photos courtesy of Jamie Sullivan's amazing Stapleton Airport site:

http://www.aviationphotographs.net/StapletonAirport/ThomRowland/thom-002.jpg
http://www.aviationphotographs.net/StapletonAirport/CDOT/cdot-001.jpg

The second photo doesn't reflect the additional tunnel area for the taxiways linking the terminals with 35R/17L...If I recall when those tunnels came down in 1995, they came down a little easier than they should have....Will have to try and find the old story of it.

Ryan



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25 Post contains links and images Cubsrule : They're sticking around. 11-29 at STL is another good one. View Large View MediumPhoto © Alastair T. Gardiner - WorldAirImages While the runway
26 Post contains links Mkorpal : http://www.airliners.net/open.file?i...20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=10 CDG is another example
27 Stapleton : Great picture! I'm still pretty sure that they did not use 35L/17R which was the runway that actually crossed I-70 whereas the 35R/17L was on the oth
28 JetJeanes : All North south runways at Mem have a 6 lane rd under them,, well there is one taxiway on one
29 Post contains links and images RyDawg82 : Can't attest to landings on 35L; however, the second photo I posted shows an aircraft using that runway (appears to be taking off). I can recall depa
30 Post contains links and images Ramprat74 : Marvin Berryman's pic.
31 Stapleton : I think it was only the 747 that had restrictions from using 35L/17R. I remember lots of take-offs and landings on that runway with 737s and 727s. I
32 Post contains links ContnlEliteCMH : http://www.aviationphotographs.net/S...rt/MarshallFamily/marshall-012.jpg Unless I woke up this morning and yesterday's elections changed something, O
33 Floorrunner : I guess I live a little farther west now! Patrick
34 RwSEA : Yes, SEA's runway 16R goes above S 188th Street. See the pic above with the BA 747. That's correct, and the road it covers is called Hwy 526 or "the
35 Cross757 : The runway (17R-35L) and two taxiways (one parallel on each side) actually crossed over the highway on bridges. Stapleton was one of the first airport
36 F9fan : I-70 tunneled under the runways back when Stapleton was an active airport. It used to be pretty cool to be driving down the interstate and watch a UA,
37 Reno757 : Interstate 70 went under the runways when i lived in Denver they had the bridges still in place.
38 87GROUNDED : The highway was routed under the taxiways and runway. As I remember there were two or three bridges over I-70 (I believe it was two) and when I was a
39 Ps76 : Same as it is now. The highway went under the runway.
40 Post contains links and images Nosedive : Ummmmm... many taxiways go over Winchester, but only 18C/36C actually goes over a roadway. More from Stapleton. Space Shuttle DEN Thanks Marvin Berry
41 Post contains images PanAm747 : This is what happens when you type in a hurry...of course the ROAD goes UNDER the RUNWAY!! Someone must have slipped me a few of those Chinese-made A
42 Post contains links and images Helvknight : Both runways at MAN go over the road between the M56 and Styal (I tried to add it direct from my profile but I just got a white screen)
43 Post contains links and images Aarbee : That was a good one. If you are talking about taxiways, MCO has got road running under taxiways. MyAviation.net:Photographer © Aar Bee (R B)
44 Post contains links and images Tom in NO : First off, props to the guys who have linked the aviationphotographs.net website. I had lost track of Steve's superb Stapleton Airport website, which
45 D328 : KAGC in Pittsburgh goes over a road..
46 AirEMS : Doesn't Phoenix have roads that go under runways? By the way what runway did CO 1713 crash on at Stapleton? -Carl
47 Post contains images Gregarious119 : Although it's not my "home" airport any more, I am surprised I got beat to mentioning this one Makes you wonder if the landowners around the runway w
48 Post contains links Tom in NO : under runways, no.....under taxiways, yes. .....taking off from runway 35L, crashed off the right side of the runway. NTSB report is at http://amelia
49 MD11FR8Jock : Winchester Rd goes under 18C at MEM and under several taxiways.
50 Post contains links Helvknight : Then, of course there's Gibraltar. http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0710062/M/ Only airport in the world where the runway crosses the road at grade
51 Post contains links and images Tom in NO : View Large View MediumPhoto © Luis Rosa Tom at MSY
52 Post contains links and images RyDawg82 : As a pup in the mid 80's I can recall flying from ANC-BFF (Western Nebraska) -- several times our CO flight from SEA-DEN would misconnect us to the l
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