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Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25132 posts, RR: 46
Posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8388 times:

Any guesses? Obviously not UA & US being Star carriers.

Quote:
Air Berlin Close To Signing Alliance With U.S. Carrier
11/08/2007

Air Berlin is close to finalizing a bilateral alliance with a U.S. major carrier, CEO Joachim Hunold told members of the aviation press club in Frankfurt. He declined to say who the future partner will be, but said the deal would be "reached shortly."

Germany's second-largest airline is about to enter the scheduled, business traffic-oriented long-haul market and is eyeing several U.S. destinations. Air Berlin subsidiary LTU flies to New York from Duesseldorf, and the carriers recently applied to the U.S. Transportation Dept. for code-share authority. LTU would carry Air Berlin's code on its Duesseldorf-New York/-Miami/-Fort Myers and Berlin- Melbourne, Fla. services

Air Berlin has announced plans to start services from Duesseldorf to Beijing and Shanghai plus more U.S. destinations. In China, Air Berlin plans to cooperate with Hainan Airlines.

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http://www.aviationweek.com/publicat...inners+In+2008+Appropriations+Deal


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User currently offlinePlymSpotter From Spain, joined Jun 2004, 11644 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8378 times:

JetBlue wouldn't surprise me here, would be a good link up.


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User currently offlineJetBlueGuy2006 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1656 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8326 times:

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 1):
JetBlue wouldn't surprise me here, would be a good link up.

Me neither. I think it is B6



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6763 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8307 times:

Considering Air Berlin has flights to NYC, MIA, MLB, and RSW.. I could argue and say that it is AirTran..

jetBlue does not serve MIA or MLB..

Frontier does not serve MLB either..

The only other choice is AirTran as it is probably the closest to major that serves all of those cities..

Although my second choice would be Southwest, especially since they just started their Business flights on an oh so convenient day and they have been looking for long-haul opportunities and they ARE a major carrier..



Aiming High and going far..
User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32725 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8306 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 4):
Considering Air Berlin has flights to NYC, MIA, MLB, and RSW.. I could argue and say that it is AirTran..

They also fly to LAX seasonally. Here is their U.S./Canada network for summer 2008:

JFK-DUS, 6w

LAX-DUS, 5w

MIA-DUS, 5w
MIA-MUC, 2w

RSW-DUS, 2w
RSW-MUC, 2w

YVR-DUS, 2w

They are ending LAS, YYZ, and YVR-MUC, increasing MIA, and decreasing RSW.

MLB-TXL is a charter service operating this winter as 1x weekly, and it is looking likely that the flight will transfer to a scheduled service from MIA next winter.



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User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 5, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8286 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
They are ending LAS, YYZ, and YVR-MUC, increasing MIA, and decreasing RSW.

Has Belair given up their ZRH-YYC-YVR route? They're under the AB brand aswell now.


User currently offlineIAD51FL From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 354 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8156 times:

I would think DL or CO. But with DL trying to grow JFK, it may be them.

Chris



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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 42
Reply 7, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 7983 times:

LT (now part of the AB Group) used to have a cooperation with JetBlue for quite a few years, so it would not surprise me if this cooperation would be extended.


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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7734 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
a U.S. major carrier,



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 1):
JetBlue

I have said that a while back that I would love to see a cooperation between JetBlue and Air Berlin but the article clearly states "US major carrier" so that sounds for me like AA, CO, NW etc..



It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineServisair From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7694 times:

MLB is no longer going to be flown. They cancelled the service.


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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4661 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7562 times:

Well DL/NW/CO - Skyteam is already big enough
UA has LH, they dont need another German carrier
That leaves only AA if tis a legacy, and AA lacks a strong German presence.

If its a legacy, my bet is AA, LCC would be anyone, who knows, maybe even WN



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17064 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7544 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 11):
That leaves only AA if tis a legacy, and AA lacks a strong German presence.

That is true. It will be really great for AA if they make a agreement with Air Berlin.



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User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7484 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 12):
That is true. It will be really great for AA if they make a agreement with Air Berlin.

AB could fly to some of the AA hubs such as ORD and DFW from DUS or TXL/BER they already fly to JFK and MIA which are AA hubs.



It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineCaspritz78 From Germany, joined Aug 2007, 518 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7454 times:

Rigth now it looks like that Condor will work together with Air Berlin and Lufthansa will give up its Condor shares. So there will be further flights from Germany to the US with Condor which can be sold by Air Berlin. Really wonder how Air Berlin will handle all this changes.

User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17064 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7446 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 13):
AB could fly to some of the AA hubs such as ORD and DFW from DUS or TXL/BER

That would I really like to see happen. If they make a agreement AB will possibly operate to at least ORD.



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User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7446 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 9):
I have said that a while back that I would love to see a cooperation between JetBlue and Air Berlin but the article clearly states "US major carrier" so that sounds for me like AA, CO, NW etc..

Well, when Hunold says it is a "major" carrier, it could basically be anyone.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6763 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7428 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 11):
If its a legacy, my bet is AA

Well, all I have to say is that if it IS AA, then I think RDU will definitely get their German route sooner than later!



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7382 times:

Quoting IAD51FL (Reply 7):
I would think DL or CO. But with DL trying to grow JFK, it may be them

I agree. At least a SkyTeam partnership...


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7062 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7368 times:

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 18):
I would think DL or CO. But with DL trying to grow JFK, it may be them

I agree. At least a SkyTeam partnership...

Both CO and DL are flying to TXL.................



It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6464 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7335 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 9):
I have said that a while back that I would love to see a cooperation between JetBlue and Air Berlin but the article clearly states "US major carrier" so that sounds for me like AA, CO, NW etc..

Virtually all US carriers are "major" when compared in size to Air Berlin.


User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4369 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7183 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 11):
Well DL/NW/CO - Skyteam is already big enough
UA has LH, they dont need another German carrier
That leaves only AA if tis a legacy, and AA lacks a strong German presence.

If its a legacy, my bet is AA, LCC would be anyone, who knows, maybe even WN

Don't assume that any existing alliance framework must necessarily remain static...



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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7165 times:

Next month I am flying AB & Niki for the first time... excited. Flying Paris-Berlin... but they don't offer non-stop service, so have to connect in VIE (Niki to VIE, then AB to TXL). I ordered the "gourmet breakfast" for EUR 11 on the CDG-VIE flight.  Smile


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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4661 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7131 times:

Quoting Avek00 (Reply 21):
Don't assume that any existing alliance framework must necessarily remain static...

Well i doubt NW/KL, DL/AF, UA/LH and AA/BA are going anywhere anytime soon... if US left Star, then i could see it being US.

Star has Germany covered with LH
Skyteam has good coverage via AMS and CDG hubs (even MXP and FCO to a lesser extent)

That leaves One World or an LCC



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User currently offlineDw9115 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 449 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7092 times:

I believe it will be American Airlines and they will see how that goes and if it goes well they will re-brand all of there different brands into one Air Berlin and then announce they are joining oneworld as a full member. just my  twocents 

User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32725 posts, RR: 72
Reply 24, posted (6 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7086 times:

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 20):
Virtually all US carriers are "major" when compared in size to Air Berlin.



If Air Berlin were a U.S. airline, it would be roughly the 10th largest U.S. airline.

[Edited 2007-11-08 10:36:32]


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25 Post contains images BAKJet : How about WN. I doubt it but it would be cool. Airtran would be great too. [Edited 2007-11-08 13:58:09]
26 ThirteenRight : I dont see why it couldnt be B6. Also, with AB having so many flights at STN, maybe AB could start JFK-STN but offer connecting services elsewhere.
27 Columba : Don´t know if it would be the 10th largest U.S. airline but together with DBA and LTU AB has quite a large fleet.
28 AJMIA : I noticed the following short article in the 11/9 eworld. The daily newsletter for oneworld partners. Air Berlin aims for bilateral alliance with US p
29 Vfw614 : well, apparently AF/KL is considering its options with regard of taking over Air Berlin which is in an extremely weak financial position and a very l
30 HT : AB is actually rather weak at FRA where LH is very strong and AB mainly serves leisure routes. AB's agressive FRA-ZRH service was withdrawn rather qu
31 YVR1968 : What about the Belair flights from YVR-ZRH? Are they going to be back in 2008?
32 MAH4546 : It would rank around the bottom half of the top ten.
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