Moderators From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 503 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 42838 times:
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The much awaited 10th Dubai Airshow is upon us and we have decided it would be appropriate to run 3 Official threads on the major LoI / MoU / Order announcements and one for any engine selections announced.
You can find the official Dubai airshow details at the following link
The purpose of these threads is to keep a daily tabulation on any announcements made and to keep seperate each companies announcements. Though we understand there will be split orders, having the official threads should make it a lot easier to track orders for each OEM and make for a good reference for the future of the site.
We do realise that there will / may be major orders announced given recent speculation and some media reports. Therefore, if an order is announced and listed here, by a New A380 / 747-8 Operator, a Major A350 / B787 Commitment or by a carrier of regional or strategic importance, it should be entitled to it's own seperate thread. We ask that order be posted here with a link to the relevent thread and a link back to this thread, that way a free and open discussion can be had on EK, QR, GF or whoever, without overwhelming the official threads.
In relation to Regional orders such as ATR, Bombardier, Embraer and Sukhoi etc or any developments of new frames or further news of R&D in existing projects please feel free to go ahead and post as normal.
PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4053 posts, RR: 91 Reply 2, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 42748 times:
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No the timing of these was not co-incidental
Cathay Pacific Order the following
7 x 777-300ER
10 x 747-8F + 14 Options
Fair use excerpt
By Clare Cheung Nov. 8 (Bloomberg) -- Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd., Hong Kong's largest airline, agreed to buy 17 Boeing Co. airplanes, valued at approximately $5.2 billion, to meet rising demand for travel and trade in China.
The order comprises seven 777-300ERs and 10 747-8 freighters, the airline said in a Hong Kong stock exchange statement today. The carrier, which also took options for another 14 747 freighters, received ''significant price concessions,'' it added.
NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10051 posts, RR: 12 Reply 9, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 42052 times:
I´m very happy about the 748F order, as a CX customer I want to fly on a 748I though, and not the 773ER. I will fly another airline to Hongkong then, if they replace the 744 on the FRA route in the future.
Hope CX orders A380 soon, if they don´t want the 748I (as this order somehow indicates).
Yeah, I'd like the 748 but the 77W would be much better than the A340 if they phase them out for the 77Ws. I thought it was the other way round - CX said the A380 was too big so they never ordered it. Either they will change their minds or stick to their strategy now of a bigger 77W fleet.
PanAm_DC10 From Australia, joined Aug 2000, 4053 posts, RR: 91 Reply 12, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 41248 times:
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Quoting Moderators (Thread starter): We do realise that there will / may be major orders announced given recent speculation and some media reports. Therefore, if an order is announced and listed here, by a New A380 / 747-8 Operator, a Major A350 / B787 Commitment or by a carrier of regional or strategic importance, it should be entitled to it's own seperate thread. We ask that order be posted here with a link to the relevent thread and a link back to this thread
To clarify. The order by Cathay Pacific falls into that category. It's a case of content and quality which we would expect of such a post.
That means a high quality post with a link between the two is allowed. The first member to meet such a requirement can have their Post remain, for example;
We would prefer a better post to note the significance of the order. For example CX's largest ever order, now have 30 firm 77Ws on order. Significance of the 748F commitment, impact of not ordering the 748I, what does this mean for their VLA requirement.
What impact on DragonAir, if any and their cross shareholdings in mainland China carriers, if any.
Add a link to the Cathay Site and inter link with this official Dubai thread so that they both link into each other. You can post. It's not who is first but who provides the best content for the overall membership of the site to discuss.
Francoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3513 posts, RR: 11 Reply 14, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 41036 times:
the 748F has proved a winner already, and it seems only logical that CX - who's predicting a rosy future for the cargo market in the area, and already operates a large 742/744 cargo fleet - would order it.
The reason CX hasn't made a noise about a VLA order (A380 or 748) is that they're not interested in them ...so far.
They're sticking to the 77W in larger numbers, to improve flights frequency.
It's no real secret that CX aims at the business/first traveller and that's where their profit comes from, and the 77W fits that strategy just fine.
However, I, for one, don't believe that a major airline in the heart of Asia and its booming pax traffic can do without jumbos of some sort, so I'm curious to know what'll happen when the retirement date of the 744s comes around...
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...
Jfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 7829 posts, RR: 8 Reply 15, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 40882 times:
I was hoping to see an order for 748 passenger aircraft when I first saw this on CNBC Europe at 4:00am east coast time. While Cathay clearly is going for frequency over size right now with the 773ER, it wil have to buy a BIG plane for its fleet in the next few years. Four 773ER to LHR & 3 to LAX, just isn't the same as a few A380 or 748 thrown in. While Cathay owns the LAX to HKG route today, LHR to HKG is a very competitive route wit ANZ, Qantas, BA and Virign to compete against.
CX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4435 posts, RR: 5 Reply 16, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 40877 times:
Congratulations to both Boeing and Cathay. It seems that my username's relevancy will continue on for quite some time now! I'm curious as to what the 747-8F order does for the possibility of a 747-8 pax order. In my opinion, it increases the likelihood because CX will now have first hand knowledge of aircraft performance etc.
"History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or timid." D. Eisenhower
Sh0rtybr0wn From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 40550 times:
Good for CX and the new 77ws. Imagine if they had ordered them 3 years ago..... they could have a fleet of 70 by now.
Of course its nice to see the 748F orders, the 747 will always be the Queen of Cargo. But I think Cathay Pacific should order 25 A380s with 25 options. China has alot of people and if CX cant fill them, the they can panit some A380s in Dragoinair Livery. You know they can fill seats from PKG/PVG/HKG, and to all other major destinations in asia.
Its a question of prestige: CX needs to have the most luxurious widebodies if it wants to keep winning best airline status.
But its a tough call becuse with all those freighters maybe they should have one common pilot pool for both 748i and 748F.
NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10051 posts, RR: 12 Reply 20, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 40146 times:
Quoting Columba (Reply 18): Maybe they will convert some of their 14 options into orders for the 748I.
Thats indeed possible. Its even possible the decision has been basically made already internally and CX ist just delaying the announcement to have time. With 14 options they can still wait 2 years before they say "we´re taking the 748I".
NA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10051 posts, RR: 12 Reply 21, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 40077 times:
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 16): Cathay clearly is going for frequency over size right now with the 773ER
With 30 773ERs on order these jets will not only be for fleet growth. So what will they replace? The A343s and A346s, the 772s and maybe the 773(A)s seem to be the most likely candidates. That they just added secondhand 744s indicates that the 744 is not what the 773ERs will replace, at least not in the next 5 years or so.
CX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6449 posts, RR: 56 Reply 22, posted (6 years 1 month 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 39615 times:
Excellent news and a definate step into the future for CX.
The 77Ws at the moment are not for replacing the 772As or the 773s which will stay in the fleet for the forseeable future. The priority on the passenger side is replacing the three A346s, followed shortly by the A340-300s which will all be gone by around 2014. I am sure by then the 772s will probably have gone too although this has never been quoted anywhere.