Chris28_17 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1439 posts, RR: 11 Posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 11737 times:
IM just curious, remember that crash in 1987 in DTW (i believe), i remember there was a 4 year old girl that was the lone survivor, does anyone know what happend to her?? Im sure her privacy has been VERY protected, as it should... but i was just curious...
Forgive me if this is a touchy subject with anyone, i mean no disrespect to anyone.
CactusA319 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2918 posts, RR: 29 Reply 2, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11388 times:
She was 4 years old? I thought she was younger-so much so she was a lap child and was found in her dead mothers arms underneath the wreckage...I could be wrong about that but I always thought she survived because of that.
Matt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 51 Reply 6, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11318 times:
Sorrow soon turns to outrage when you discover that the reason that MD-80 went down in the first place is because the jackass pilots didn't set the flaps.
Isn't that a basic pre-flight check list item?
Deltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1589 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 11272 times:
You are right, the story goes that the pilots got confused or something on taxi out as to what runway to use. Apparently ATC was confused too, routing different NW flights to different runways during the big evening hub push. The pilots had been running down this list when the confusion came up, when they figured out which runway to go to, this item had been over looked, along with a switch that if flipped on would have alerted them that the flaps weren't deployed. It was one of those domino effect causes, one thing led to another to another and then the crash.
CactusA319 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2918 posts, RR: 29 Reply 8, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 11232 times:
The thing is, even without the flaps the pilots could have flown out of the situation by appliying less upward pressure on the yoke, thus stalling the aircraft. It was shown later in sim. tests that if the pilots had lowered the aircrafts pitch they might have made the takeoff without flaps. Of course hindsight is a bitch.
Tan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1847 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11114 times:
Gents...My recollection was that the toddler was about 3 or 4, and was sittling on her moms lap(small child?).
When my son was younger and we travelled I thought of this child often. You guys with kids know what I mean.
Wasn't the MD-80 loaded to MTOW with pax,bags & fuel for the run to PHX? Seems to me there was an issue of weight?
LoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3641 posts, RR: 38 Reply 15, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 11031 times:
There was a two hour special on some channel a year or so ago about different crashes. I remember them saying the little girl was 4 years old. When the rescuers first found her they weren't sure if she had been a passenger on the plane or someone travelling in one of the cars that had been hit. Her relatives in Phoennix sent a description of her and she was identified because she had a chipped tooth and wore purple nail polish.
Since she was 4 years old, I don't think she was a lap child, though. I was always under the impression that she had been sitting next to her mother, but the mother had enough warning that something was going wrong and had time to to grab her and sheild her with her body.
I read something somewhere that one other contributing factor to the crash was that the pilots were in a hurry. Apparently the plane was already late and after making it's scheduled stop in PHX, it was supposed to go on to SNA which had a curfew. Not sure if that is correct, though.
Mace_2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 10996 times:
call me nuts, but I remember when it happend. A pilot right behind the airplane said he saw a flame out in the engine. I never heard from that pilot ever again. It could have made it with flaps 0. But if it offical than its offical. Dident mean to affend anyone if I did.
A32 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 163 posts, RR: 1 Reply 18, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 10992 times:
Please refrain from calling names on the forum. Your reference to the deceased pilots as JACKASSES is a slap in the face to their families and friends. Monday morning quarterbacking is easy ... You were not there so I believe an apology is forthcoming.
This topic began with the inquiry about the lone survivor and I hope that wherever she is she does'nt suffer from the memories. A million dollars could not replace what happened to her.
I should remind the pilots on this forum about the fact that the warning systems on the MD 80 did not work on that day either. With the flaps not set in the takeoff position a warning horn sounds off when the throttles are moved forward of the 50 % point. This was not recorded on the CVR. Other factors also played into this accident. The recent merger and the subsequent culture clashes resulted in a modification of the checklist for the MD 80 at NWA. Prior to the merger NWA was a 3 man crew airline exclusively. The third person did a lot of the crosschecking. When new checklist procedures were imposed upon the 2 man crew airplanes some of the checks and balances were lost. Setting flaps was obviously one of those areas.
Flaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1115 posts, RR: 4 Reply 22, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10903 times:
"Let he/she who is without sin cast the first stone" as they say....I dont know a pilot alive or dead (myself included) that has never made a mistake or missed a "routine" checklist item at one time or another. Fortunately our checks and balances usually catch these mistakes. In this case they didnt.
As for the simulator recreation....Yes, they could have flown out of this IF they realized immediately what had gone wrong and IF the aircraft had not struck a light pole as it skimmed across the parking lot. At that weight and configuration the aircraft needed nearly a half mile more distance to climb out of ground effect achieve a positive rate of climb and clear all obstacles. Their fate was pretty much sealed at rotation.
The worst thing anyone can do in a situation like this is to adopt a judgemental attitude. Lets not forget that this crew has already paid the ultimate price for their mistake.
Maiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 52 Reply 23, posted (12 years 4 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10901 times:
I would have to say that considering NWA is flying DC9s that once belonged to airlines such as North Central, Southern, and Republic, that these aircraft have an excellent maintainance history. Northwest has since retired the MD80s (All 7 of them!). All I have to look at now is the $150.00 model I have and remember. It wont be to long before these DC9s are gone either. I wouldnt call that lifetime travel benifits a "slap in the face", it wasnt the airlines fault. they just dealt with the situation the best they could. I tell you what, I wouldnt be scared flying on those aircraft if I were her. NW is a great Airline with an excellent record.