Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Northwest Flight 255, The One Survivor.  
User currently offlineChris28_17 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1439 posts, RR: 10
Posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 13001 times:

IM just curious, remember that crash in 1987 in DTW (i believe), i remember there was a 4 year old girl that was the lone survivor, does anyone know what happend to her?? Im sure her privacy has been VERY protected, as it should... but i was just curious...

Forgive me if this is a touchy subject with anyone, i mean no disrespect to anyone.


CHRIS

49 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineVirginA340 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 15 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 12713 times:

From what I heard from MSNBC; She is still protected by her God family and grandparents to this day from the press.


"FUIMUS"
User currently offlineCactusA319 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2918 posts, RR: 25
Reply 2, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 12652 times:


She was 4 years old? I thought she was younger-so much so she was a lap child and was found in her dead mothers arms underneath the wreckage...I could be wrong about that but I always thought she survived because of that.



User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 12642 times:

I heard the same thing...that being locked under her mothers body saved her life. I heard that Northwest gave her lifetime free travel benefits.
I wonder if she's ever actually used them.


User currently offlineNeilalp From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1034 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12593 times:

That good that they gave her those benfits but i think i may never want to fly again if that happened to me.

User currently offlineChris28_17 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1439 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12559 times:

WOW, lifetime flight benefits? That almost seems like a slap in the face, but, i suppose at the same time, what is NW supposed to do??

Geez, stuff like that always freaks me out. Its so tragic and horrific, and yet they (aircraft accidents) are so mysterious and captivating.

Okay, i will shut up now, i REALLY dont want to offend anyone.

CHRIS


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 6, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12582 times:

Sorrow soon turns to outrage when you discover that the reason that MD-80 went down in the first place is because the jackass pilots didn't set the flaps.
Isn't that a basic pre-flight check list item?


User currently offlineDeltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1643 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12536 times:

MATTD,

You are right, the story goes that the pilots got confused or something on taxi out as to what runway to use. Apparently ATC was confused too, routing different NW flights to different runways during the big evening hub push. The pilots had been running down this list when the confusion came up, when they figured out which runway to go to, this item had been over looked, along with a switch that if flipped on would have alerted them that the flaps weren't deployed. It was one of those domino effect causes, one thing led to another to another and then the crash.


User currently offlineCactusA319 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2918 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12496 times:


The thing is, even without the flaps the pilots could have flown out of the situation by appliying less upward pressure on the yoke, thus stalling the aircraft. It was shown later in sim. tests that if the pilots had lowered the aircrafts pitch they might have made the takeoff without flaps. Of course hindsight is a bitch.



User currently offlineMit From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12508 times:

Check out the NTSB report if you're interested.

User currently offlineHighliner2 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 696 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12458 times:

the NTSB reports seems to say there were 6 survivors........?


Go Cubs!
User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12442 times:

FYI--- there have been a few NW runway incursions ... a DC9 and 727 played tag about 2 years later (or was it sooner ?)

Nate


User currently offlineUAL Bagsmasher From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2146 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 12431 times:

Cecelia Sheehan

User currently offlineTan flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1904 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 12378 times:

Gents...My recollection was that the toddler was about 3 or 4, and was sittling on her moms lap(small child?).
When my son was younger and we travelled I thought of this child often. You guys with kids know what I mean.

Wasn't the MD-80 loaded to MTOW with pax,bags & fuel for the run to PHX? Seems to me there was an issue of weight?



User currently offlineNwa747-400 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1337 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12317 times:

Have you noticed now when you fly NW that the first thing the pilots do after engine start is lower the flaps. This is done on NW earlier than I have seen it on any other airline.

User currently offlineLoneStarMike From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 3811 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 12295 times:

There was a two hour special on some channel a year or so ago about different crashes. I remember them saying the little girl was 4 years old. When the rescuers first found her they weren't sure if she had been a passenger on the plane or someone travelling in one of the cars that had been hit. Her relatives in Phoennix sent a description of her and she was identified because she had a chipped tooth and wore purple nail polish.

Since she was 4 years old, I don't think she was a lap child, though. I was always under the impression that she had been sitting next to her mother, but the mother had enough warning that something was going wrong and had time to to grab her and sheild her with her body.

I read something somewhere that one other contributing factor to the crash was that the pilots were in a hurry. Apparently the plane was already late and after making it's scheduled stop in PHX, it was supposed to go on to SNA which had a curfew. Not sure if that is correct, though.

LoneStarMike

User currently offlineMace_2 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12260 times:

call me nuts, but I remember when it happend. A pilot right behind the airplane said he saw a flame out in the engine. I never heard from that pilot ever again. It could have made it with flaps 0. But if it offical than its offical. Dident mean to affend anyone if I did.

User currently offlineORD From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 12238 times:

That show you referred to was on MSNBC last night. Everything you stated is correct. I think they covered every crash you could think of, including:

1. 1972 Eastern L-1011/Everglades
2. 1979 American DC-10/Chicago
3. 1985 Delta L-1011/Dallas
4. 1988 Pan Am 747/Lockerbie
5. 1989 United DC-10/Sioux City
6. 1994 USAir 737/Pittsburgh
7. 1996 TWA 747/Long Island
8. 1996 ValuJet DC-9/Miami
9. 1998 Swissair 111/Nova Scotia


User currently offlineA32 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 163 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12256 times:

Please refrain from calling names on the forum. Your reference to the deceased pilots as JACKASSES is a slap in the face to their families and friends. Monday morning quarterbacking is easy ... You were not there so I believe an apology is forthcoming.

This topic began with the inquiry about the lone survivor and I hope that wherever she is she does'nt suffer from the memories. A million dollars could not replace what happened to her.

I should remind the pilots on this forum about the fact that the warning systems on the MD 80 did not work on that day either. With the flaps not set in the takeoff position a warning horn sounds off when the throttles are moved forward of the 50 % point. This was not recorded on the CVR. Other factors also played into this accident. The recent merger and the subsequent culture clashes resulted in a modification of the checklist for the MD 80 at NWA. Prior to the merger NWA was a 3 man crew airline exclusively. The third person did a lot of the crosschecking. When new checklist procedures were imposed upon the 2 man crew airplanes some of the checks and balances were lost. Setting flaps was obviously one of those areas.

Lets move on

regards


User currently offlineB-787 From United States of America, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 273 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12192 times:

Hold UP!!!!!!!I think you guys mean DC-9.


722,732,73G,738,739,739ER,752,753,762,763,764,744,788,D10,M80,300,320
User currently offlineBH346 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3265 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12183 times:

B-787,
The crash did involve an MD-82 and not a DC-9.

BH346



Northwest Airlines - Some People Just Know How to Fly
User currently offlinePilot1113 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 2333 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12194 times:

I believe that the pilots were in fact "jackasses" in light of the fact that they were joking around with the flight attendent before the take-off. Flirting could be more like it...

... or am I thinking of a different crash?

- Neil Harrison


User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1261 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12167 times:

"Let he/she who is without sin cast the first stone" as they say....I dont know a pilot alive or dead (myself included) that has never made a mistake or missed a "routine" checklist item at one time or another. Fortunately our checks and balances usually catch these mistakes. In this case they didnt.

As for the simulator recreation....Yes, they could have flown out of this IF they realized immediately what had gone wrong and IF the aircraft had not struck a light pole as it skimmed across the parking lot. At that weight and configuration the aircraft needed nearly a half mile more distance to climb out of ground effect achieve a positive rate of climb and clear all obstacles. Their fate was pretty much sealed at rotation.

The worst thing anyone can do in a situation like this is to adopt a judgemental attitude. Lets not forget that this crew has already paid the ultimate price for their mistake.


User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12165 times:

I would have to say that considering NWA is flying DC9s that once belonged to airlines such as North Central, Southern, and Republic, that these aircraft have an excellent maintainance history. Northwest has since retired the MD80s (All 7 of them!). All I have to look at now is the $150.00 model I have and remember. It wont be to long before these DC9s are gone either. I wouldnt call that lifetime travel benifits a "slap in the face", it wasnt the airlines fault. they just dealt with the situation the best they could. I tell you what, I wouldnt be scared flying on those aircraft if I were her. NW is a great Airline with an excellent record.

-maiznblu_757-
http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/traversecityairport


User currently offlineDash8tech From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 732 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (13 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12122 times:

Yes, Pilot 1113. It was the one with the "joking" with the FA's.

Cheers!


25 EssentialPowr : Hey Pilot1113, What gives you the right to even have an opinion on this issue?
26 Post contains images FDXmech : Pilot 1113, are you perhaps confusing this accident with the DAL 727 accident on T/O (flaps not extended)in "88" at DFW or the CO accident in DEN with
27 Chris28_17 : I thought the crash in which you were talking was a Delta 727 (i forgot where). Discussing "dating habits" of flight attendants. The pilots mentioned
28 TheCroupier : Yep, Delta 727 at DFW. Back to NW...I remember my best friend's girlfriend (now his wife) called me in a panic-stricken state to tell me of the plane
29 Post contains images SashA : What woz that MD-80 crash where Captain disregarded FOs warning about altitude? Cockpit recorder also had this joke heard from FE addressing Captain,
30 Surf : What show was it on msnbc last night? What time did it air and what was it called?
31 Corey777 : From that NTSB report: Aircraft:MCDONNELL DOUGLAS DC-9-82, registration: N312RC Posts keep referring to it as an MD-80. Is the DC-9 and MD-80 the same
32 Pilotallen : yeah im almost sure she was 4 years old her brother and parents died, it was an md-80 no flaps, they missed an entire checklist and it rolled to the r
33 Maiznblu_757 : Hey, an MD80 is the same thing as a DC9-80. And for the person Surf I believe, what crash are you referring to? It damn sure wasnt the one we are spea
34 LoneStarMike : What happened to the other five survivors?I guess no one ever mentions them because they weren't from the plane, but rather in some of the cars that h
35 LoneStarMike : Oops, sorry...last part got cut off. The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of the accident was the flightcrew's
36 Airfun : My parents just a got a divorce and I had left DTW that day to PHX, I forget which Airline. My sister called in tears because she didn't walk me to th
37 777gk : I remember just stepping off a DC-10 in Houston and people were gathered around a TV in a newsstand. I walked up with the captain and engineer and I a
38 AA777 : Well I remember, I was flying from Dallas to Frankfurt, on the same day as the really bad Delta L-1011 Windshear crash @ DFW. I was only 6 or 7 but I
39 Shawn Patrick : The night before I left for NYC, I remember hearing about FedEx flight 14 (MD-11) that crashed in EWR. The next morning, I was on a UAL 757 flight fro
40 UAL Bagsmasher : I visited the crash site last year. They have a memorial set up. It is just one of many crash sites I've been to.
41 Dc-9-10 : Interesting fact I just learned today the 24th that my debate coach was supposed to be on that aircraft on that flight, but he got delayed in France.
42 N202PA : UAL Bagsmasher: Out of curiosity, what other crash sites have you visited? It may seem like a morbid interest, which it really is, but I've been inter
43 Post contains images UAL Bagsmasher : I've been to the followng sites: NW 255 in DTW UA B732 site in MDW UA B732 site in COS Southern Air 242 DC-9 site in New Hope GA AA 191 DC-10 site in
44 AAmericanguy : Hello, I would also like to mention that Phoenix Suns player Nick Vanos was on that flight back to Phoenix with his wife. Just thought I'd let you kno
45 Post contains images Johnboy : Maybe "Deputy Dawg" thought you were scoring some dope and thought sure he would make the newspapers!
46 N312RC : My Mom, at the time was a Trauma Nurse at Detroit Recieving Hospital. She remembers walking the crash site in a pair of rubber boots, with gloves on.
47 VirginA340 : Theres nothing wrong with visiting crash sites and just seeing the area for yourself. The crash sites look like that no plane had crashed there beside
48 Iainhol : I am a little disapointed that some poeple in here calling the pilots 'Jackasses' (especially Pilot 1113) I can tell you from my little flying experie
49 747buff : Someone on this board said they saw a show about plane crashes on MSNBC. Can anyone tell me the name of the show and when it will be on next? I have l
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
The One-minute Flight posted Mon May 10 2004 00:43:47 by Clickhappy
France Is Reaching Soon The One Airline Status posted Tue Oct 31 2006 18:53:54 by Beaucaire
Which KLM Flight Has The A330 On LHR - AMS? posted Fri Sep 15 2006 12:19:01 by 8herveg
First Non Stop Flight Over The Pacific posted Fri Sep 1 2006 14:12:13 by Deaphen
Northwest Flight Attendants Conduct Chaos Activit posted Thu Aug 3 2006 21:17:52 by TVNWZ
Northwest Flight Attendant Dispute Updates posted Thu Aug 3 2006 20:00:18 by KarlB737
Your Memories Of Northwest Orient In The 80's posted Fri Jul 14 2006 00:01:54 by Eastern1985
When Was The Last 747sp Flight On The LAX-SYD? posted Sun Jun 25 2006 01:20:29 by 747400sp
Flight Attendant - The Tasks posted Mon Jun 5 2006 00:19:48 by NZ8800
Last Legacy Carrier PAX DC-8 Flight In The U.S. posted Thu May 18 2006 05:43:09 by Starstream707